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the reason whyAs we proceed through the second year of these open posts, it's pretty clear that the official narrative is cracking as the toll of deaths and injuries from the Covid vaccines rises steadily and the vaccines themselves demonstrate their total uselesness at preventing Covid infection or transmission. It's still important to keep watch over the mis-, mal- and nonfeasance of our self-proclaimed health gruppenfuehrers, and the disastrous results of the Covid mania, but I think it's also time to begin thinking about what might be possible as the existing medical industry reels under the impact of its own self-inflicted injuries. 

So it's time for another open post. The rules are the same as before: 

1. If you plan on parroting the party line of the medical industry and its paid shills, please go away. This is a place for people to talk openly, honestly, and freely about their concerns that the party line in question is dangerously flawed and that actions being pushed by the medical industry et al. are causing injury and death. It is not a place for you to dismiss those concerns. Anyone who wants to hear the official story and the arguments in favor of it can find those on hundreds of thousands of websites.

2. If you plan on insisting that the current situation is the result of a deliberate plot by some villainous group of people or other, please go away. There are tens of thousands of websites currently rehashing various conspiracy theories about the Covid-19 outbreak and the vaccines. This is not one of them. What we're exploring is the likelihood that what's going on is the product of the same arrogance, incompetence, and corruption that the medical industry and its tame politicians have displayed so abundantly in recent decades. That possibility deserves a space of its own for discussion, and that's what we're doing here. 
 
3. If you plan on using rent-a-troll derailing or disruption tactics, please go away. I'm quite familiar with the standard tactics used by troll farms to disrupt online forums, and am ready, willing, and able -- and in fact quite eager -- to ban people permanently for engaging in them here. Oh, and I also lurk on other Covid-19 vaccine skeptic blogs, so I'm likely to notice when the same posts are showing up on more than one venue. 

4. If you don't believe in treating people with common courtesy, please go away. I have, and enforce, a strict courtesy policy on my blogs and online forums, and this is no exception. The sort of schoolyard bullying that takes place on so many other internet forums will get you deleted and banned here. Also, please don't drag in current quarrels about sex, race, religious, etc. No, I don't care if you disagree with that: my journal, my rules. 

With that said, the floor is open for discussion.    

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Date: 2022-11-03 10:53 pm (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
If the election doesn't go their way, every Democrat run place is going to go back to vaccine mandates, masks, and other crazy making rules, I fear.

If they do that, I want a national divorce. I can't live like this never being able to make plans, or travel freely, or just freaking live my life.

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Date: 2022-11-04 02:28 am (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
dear anonymous,
even if the election does NOT go their way this time, it seems that this will be a forever undermining thing, and now that we have a new acceptance for where we are NOW, this can become normal.

THAT's why it's PARALLEL SYSTEM time for me or BUST.

BUT i'm reading Camille Paglia's "Sexual Personae" and funny thing is, the women the "white women" are actively undermining their own power. they already were, according to Camille in 1990 or '91... but now?

i'm gonna write on THIS later.
still ruminating...

erika

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Date: 2022-11-04 02:32 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] methylethyl
Given that even in the bluest states, the crazy is concentrated in the urban areas... I feel like we should re-think and explore the idea of the sovereign city. Draw a neat line around each urban megalopolis and its commuter suburbs, snip it loose from the rest of the state it's nested in, give it its own government, and make that government negotiate with the equally sovereign governments of the more rural territories that surround it, for water rights, unmolested transport of goods, a place to put their power plant, and a price for the inevitable groundwater plume, air pollution, and toxic runoff it produces, its landfills, its sewage output, the food grown nearby and sold in the city-- everything that must come from outside, or leave the city as waste streams. And they must be cut off from making rules that affect the whole country. The city is the city, and city rules apply nowhere outside the city.

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Date: 2022-11-04 03:12 pm (UTC)
scotlyn: a sunlit pathway to the valley (Default)
From: [personal profile] scotlyn
Hear! Hear!

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Date: 2022-11-04 03:13 pm (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
This sounds excellent! Very Retrotopia!

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Date: 2022-11-05 07:39 pm (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
ACtually, you should recall that the exact opposite was the case in Retrotopia. The countryside and towns/cities were well integrated and worked well together. You could get on a train in Toledo and go out to a rural area, and back, without difficulty or harassment. Urban and rural areas blended together naturally, with truck farms around the outskirts of the city. Nobody treated the sale of crops from farms, or the distribution of goods from towns, as a grudging need to trade with "the enemy" only because it couldn't be avoided.

I would discourse about the differences that I see as valuable to that, but won't presume to take up a lot of electrons on JMG's website to explain what his book is about.

-Translucent Jejune Octopus

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Date: 2022-11-04 04:12 pm (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
this is actually the most interesting idea i've heard regarding avoiding an all-out civil war!

James and i were talking about how to split the china if we all divorced each other and he said whereas you can be communist within a capitalist society if you wanted, communists need OTHERS' labor because their way doesn't work as it doesn't produce goods and they need the benefits of EVERYONE'S LABOR.

this is all soooo fascinating.

and yet i'm astounded more and more every day, how little the ole lap dance seems like it will work anymore now that they've killed off what's left of The Collective Sex Drive.

James said young men he works with are terrified of women, think they lie and will slut around on them. they all shut down their animal "grrr" because hands off and yoga pants have trained them to feel terror.

(oh i understand)

so... WOW... what is worth fighting FOR now???

again: what a fascinating time to be alive! when the girl is left on the train tracks to fend for HERSELF and everyone's going off to do other things.

(pray tell: WHAT OTHER THINGS?)

drama is/was in the pronouns. the pronouns are biology. we've denied biology the pronouns the DRAMA.

i must confess i find this fascinating as an artist wondering WHAT is underneath us all NOW? because even my own fantasies aren't cutting it.

and i know i'm not the only one: they've made sex wholly unsexy to most of us now. fascinating!

and confusing... .how did this ever seem to be a great idea in the first place? and how did i fall for it til last night, practically?

fascinating... we are ALL and each fascinating even when we're boring.

hey, time to thank you all here for even BEING HERE and lurking. you have so little idea how important that has been for me here in the heart of mordor.

thank you! have a lovely day. off to the dentist and errands...

erika

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Date: 2022-11-04 04:31 pm (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
I'm all for limiting the reach of the blue-checked crazies. But it's interesting to me that Dave Collum (I think it was him-- I'm on my lunch break and writing this from memory) mentioned something similar in an interview recently. (Maybe on the Kunstler podcast.) He speculated briefly about how the WEF seemed to be targeting national sovereignty in a way very similar to what you propose. It would be a way to weaken independent-minded countries, especially those with a cranky, armed populace, like the USA, for instance. Divide and conquer under cover of bringing back the city state, at the cost of strong nation states.

I'd be cautious about jumping on board with such major shifts-- true devolution to more localized control is great. But pseudo-devolution as a cover for super-national control would be a wolf in sheep's clothing.

Such an interesting time, the collapse of an empire!

*Ochre Harebrained Curmudgeon*

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Date: 2022-11-04 07:59 pm (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
Check out Orania in South Africa: https://www.firstpost.com/world/why-orania-an-all-whites-town-in-south-africa-says-it-is-not-racist-11046741.html

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Date: 2022-11-04 10:28 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] tritumi
Hmm, the devil's advocate is rubbing his hands in glee at this renewal of a reservation system, or ghetto, or apartheid...

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Date: 2022-11-05 02:53 pm (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
Thank you for putting the correct labels on it.

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Date: 2022-11-05 04:44 pm (UTC)
scotlyn: a sunlit pathway to the valley (Default)
From: [personal profile] scotlyn
Tritumi, being a devil's advocate is a truly important role, and thank you for taking it up.

Still, "a reservation system, or ghetto, or apartheid..." ??

None of these words, which describe one polity walling off and ruling another from outside those walls, seem apt to the proposal made, which is for **two** sovereign polities to negotiate with one another, using the parity of their respective sovereign powers on matters that require them to reconcile their diverse interests.

This interests me personally because it offers a contrast to what obtains AT PRESENT, whereby the powers that cities have, and exercise, over rural areas - with no understanding of rural needs or interests NOR of the city's own dependence upon the health and wellbeing of said rural area - is so far unbalanced as to be hazardous to the health of both city and of ruraldom.

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Date: 2022-11-05 08:12 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] methylethyl
Tongue firmly in cheek, there.

But just to clarify: nobody should be prevented from entering or leaving the city. People should definitely be able to move away if they don't like it.

In a more general sense, though, I do feel like the interests of various places tend to divide fairly neatly based on population density, and I think it'd make sense to draw sharp political lines between high-density urban areas, low-density rural areas, and maybe even moderate-density suburban and large-town type areas. All of these places have different needs and political interests, and there should be a way to balance those, and actively protect them from each other.

In the end, most of that could be accomplished by simply de-federalizing and re-localizing most things. But of course, the densely populated urbs are the *most* opposed to that sort of thing...

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Date: 2022-11-04 11:32 pm (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
I don't think the comment I first wrote about this would be posted, but then, I think it speaks for itself, pretty much.

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Date: 2022-11-07 05:04 am (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
YES!! I've advocated for this idea for some time.

Break up the large countries like the US and Canada to prevent the concentration of power and to decentralize economic development. And then break off the core urban areas from their surrounding hinterlands to further limit the power of the (largely leftist - regardless of their declared political affiliation) urban elites.

This way, everyone gets something of what (they think) they want. It won't make for happiness because that state seems to elude the vast majority of humanity. However, it might result in a cold peace and I think most of us could live with that.

Liam in Toronto

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Date: 2022-11-04 03:10 am (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
Trying to re-instate unpopular policies (and they are unpopular at this point) in response to losing power seems like a crazy response to me. I live in one of the most blue states around, and while there are a lot of masks in the supermarket, its been at least 6 months since I heard someone say that we needed more legal mandates. Last time around I figured "Hey they're scared. No point in making things harder so lets just go along with it until they calm down." There's no way I'd let it go so easy again. Yes I would wear a mask rather than lose my job, but they'd hear my full opinion first and if that cost me my job, oh well.

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Date: 2022-11-04 03:20 am (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
I'm living my life right now. That said, I still do a lot of backing away slowly from the crazy people... and I expect that will continue forever more...

So today I was in my grocery store and there were 3 cashier lanes open. Two cashiers masked. I picked the unmasked cashier. Friendly guy.

Earlier today I was in a shop and one of the two owners said to me, oh I am so sorry I have the sniffles but really, it's just an allergy.

I said, no worries, I don't mind about that.

She said, Really, it's just an allergy.

I said, Really, I don't mind about that. I don't live in that world.

The other owner piped up: Me neither!

The city I'm in is blue but small and surrounded by flyover country. Lots of covidian mask-wearers, but whatever, as long as they're not telling me what to put on my face, I don't care what they put on theirs. I aim to be kind and polite but when I can, I steer clear of the masked people. I figure, chances are, they're crazy, or else they're sick.

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Date: 2022-11-04 03:34 pm (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
Crazy or sick-- or just ignorant. They think masks work.

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Date: 2022-11-04 05:40 pm (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
I just withdrew my involvement from an event due to 'recommendations' re masks that included a bossy phrase in the 'recommendation.'
When I withdrew my participation I was surprised to hear a (false) explanation of what was 'really meant.'
I wasn't interested in pursuing the 'proof in the pudding' and let the false explanation stand but did not change my mind.

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Date: 2022-11-04 10:31 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] tritumi
NHK (Japan national broadcaster) has a program after the 7 pm news called Current Issue Close Up. Last night the issue was masks and GLORY BE the agitprop (it is a national broadcaster) sided with the solution being individual choice, even in offices!

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Date: 2022-11-04 06:53 am (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
Acceptance grasshopper. :-)

2019 is gone forever. This is the new world and it's probably going to get crazier from here, for a few years at least. The EU has a tough, tough winter to get through, then probably a shittier spring. Relatively speaking the US has it easy so far.

You don't often get to experience global empires collapse in real time.

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Date: 2022-11-04 03:21 pm (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
Understatement of the millennium! It's a rare occurrence.

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Date: 2022-11-04 03:41 pm (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
Alas, I concur. I just wonder what favor the crazy will morph into.

I guess it's like, "if we just do this [totally useless but metaphorical] thing [mask, get injected, distance, stay home] in a super pious way, everything will be fine! So people who don't do it should be compelled to do it!"



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Date: 2022-11-04 06:53 pm (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
"if we just do this [totally useless but metaphorical] thing [mask, get injected, distance, stay home] in a super pious way, everything will be fine! So people who don't do it should be compelled to do it!"

The longer this goes on and some people still cling to this nonsense, the more I'm leaning towards an OCD-like explanation playing some role.

Obsessive Compulsive Disorder is said to be related to anxiety, with people using bizarre ritualized behaviors to deal with anxiety about other matters.

There definitely seems to be a correlation between anxious, high-strung personalities and the need to cling to the cootie rituals.

I wonder if people who on some level see the writing on the wall about the long decline, but who can't face it head-on, found that cootie rituals soothed their anxiety, because it was less upsetting to worry about germs and perform related rituals than it was to face up to other sources of anxiety. And now they can't let it go because it's serving a sort of function for them. If they had garden-variety OCD, they might know that their behavior was irrational even as they did it - but with cootie theater, they can tell themselves that they're still sane and rational, and avoid dealing with the fact that they're really having a meltdown over a much bigger challenge to their belief systems while hiding it behind OCD.

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Date: 2022-11-04 10:01 pm (UTC)
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Just dawned on me that when the 'godless' Soviet Union collapsed in the early 90s (?) they weren't tempted to create nuclear war, unlike (cough) certain empires.
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