Open (More or Less) Post on Covid 65

[ecosophia]

As we proceed through the second year of these open posts, it's pretty clear that the official narrative is cracking as the toll of deaths and injuries from the Covid vaccines rises steadily and the vaccines themselves demonstrate their total uselesness at preventing Covid infection or transmission. It's still important to keep watch over the mis-, mal- and nonfeasance of our self-proclaimed health gruppenfuehrers, and the disastrous results of the Covid mania, but I think it's also time to begin thinking about what might be possible as the existing medical industry reels under the impact of its own self-inflicted injuries. 

So it's time for another open post. The rules are the same as before: 

1. If you plan on parroting the party line of the medical industry and its paid shills, please go away. This is a place for people to talk openly, honestly, and freely about their concerns that the party line in question is dangerously flawed and that actions being pushed by the medical industry et al. are causing injury and death. It is not a place for you to dismiss those concerns. Anyone who wants to hear the official story and the arguments in favor of it can find those on hundreds of thousands of websites.

2. If you plan on insisting that the current situation is the result of a deliberate plot by some villainous group of people or other, please go away. There are tens of thousands of websites currently rehashing various conspiracy theories about the Covid-19 outbreak and the vaccines. This is not one of them. What we're exploring is the likelihood that what's going on is the product of the same arrogance, incompetence, and corruption that the medical industry and its tame politicians have displayed so abundantly in recent decades. That possibility deserves a space of its own for discussion, and that's what we're doing here. 
 
3. If you plan on using rent-a-troll derailing or disruption tactics, please go away. I'm quite familiar with the standard tactics used by troll farms to disrupt online forums, and am ready, willing, and able -- and in fact quite eager -- to ban people permanently for engaging in them here. Oh, and I also lurk on other Covid-19 vaccine skeptic blogs, so I'm likely to notice when the same posts are showing up on more than one venue. 

4. If you don't believe in treating people with common courtesy, please go away. I have, and enforce, a strict courtesy policy on my blogs and online forums, and this is no exception. The sort of schoolyard bullying that takes place on so many other internet forums will get you deleted and banned here. Also, please don't drag in current quarrels about sex, race, religious, etc. No, I don't care if you disagree with that: my journal, my rules. 

With that said, the floor is open for discussion.    

Comments

Re: Emily Oster says 'Let's forgive and forget'

[(Anonymous)]

I have been reading about this. Here is the thing: three of my four kids got the vaccine. One of them, my oldest daughter, was a true believer and said that unless I got the vaccine I would not be welcome in her home, nor would I be allowed to see my grandchild. Then one day over the past year, without any discussion, I was suddenly welcome to babysit, come to their house, hang out together, etc. No discussion. Have I forgiven and forgotten? No. But here is the thing: my daughter and son-in-law may die from the vaccine side effects. Particularly because they both have stressful jobs that put them at high risk and one has comorbidities. There is no telling what might happen or when. So I am enjoying whatever time I have with them. I don't know if they vaccinated the my grandchild -- I asked them not to and then shut up.

So whenever someone says we should forgive and forget, my response in my head is "You might die soon from that shot(s)." Not forgiving or forgetting, just acknowledging most of them are short-timers...

Re: Emily Oster says 'Let's forgive and forget'

[(Anonymous)]

Family is different

Re: Emily Oster says 'Let's forgive and forget'

[(Anonymous)]

"most of them are short-timers".

Do you really mean that?

As of yet, there's a slight uptick in overall mortality, part of which is likely attributable to the shots, but other parts may be delayed doctor's visits, the degradation of health care in general, the elevated stress levels throughout society, etc.

Given what's going on in the western world right now, I'd be surprised if there was no excess mortality, even if there hadn't been a vaxx campaign.

But overall, it doesn't look like the shots are causing mass die-offs. Thankfully.

Re: Emily Oster says 'Let's forgive and forget'

[(Anonymous)]

Actually yes, I really do mean that. I have a close relative with micro blood clots and he has one option: lung transplant— but there is still heart damage. He is 22. Thank you J&J.
A 42 year old close colleague dropped dead from a blood clot. Thank you Pfizer.
For my own kids, two are high risk for blood clots. This is not like anything I have ever seen … just in the past year

Re: Emily Oster says 'Let's forgive and forget'

[(Anonymous)]

How do we define "mass die off"?

Many highly vaxxed Western countries are running at a death rate 15-20% above baseline. Their sickness rate in workers is in the 3-7x range e.g. NZ is 7.

Both metrics are on an upward trend.

The question we can't yet answer is when do all the side effects of this have a critical impact on societal functions? There's probably going to be an inflection point where everything looks crappy, but sort of OK then suddenly it isn't.

Remember how the Soviet Union was there and then suddenly it wasn't?

Re: Emily Oster says 'Let's forgive and forget'

[(Anonymous)]

It's the upward trend that gets me. Where's that gonna peak?

Re: Emily Oster says 'Let's forgive and forget'

[mr_nobody1967]

If JMG's visions involving abandoned suburban divisions really are something that's going to happen, not for quite a while. And when it does, this old world won't be the same place anymore.

Re: Emily Oster says 'Let's forgive and forget'

[(Anonymous)]

It doesn't change the fact that something has changed between you. there is an unspoken wall. there is a loss of respect. I feel that will never go away unless it is addressed. My family has finally admitted they were fooled and want no further part. that helps to some degree but we will never be on equal footings again.

Re: Emily Oster says 'Let's forgive and forget'

[(Anonymous)]

Your family is miles ahead of my siblings. Our family is screwy anyway (all of them not broken in any way, never been broken, and do not seek help with brokenness) and I'd be surprised to hear anything regarding a 'mistake' that might indicate a 'failing.'

Re: Emily Oster says 'Let's forgive and forget'

[(Anonymous)]

It's one thing to bite your tongue with family and friends who got caught up in mass hysteria and acted foolishly, and who may have lacked the resources to figure things out for themselves.

It's another thing entirely to overlook the behavior of people in positions of power and influence who embraced and promulgated the madness. This professor surely had access to a university library and all its journals, and training and experience in how to access and interpret data, plus the kind of job that gives one time to slow down, read, investigate, and think. She was the type of person whose privileged position in society gave her an inherent RESPONSIBILITY to dig deeper and think harder - and she not only failed at that responsibility, but also jumped on the mass-hysteria bandwagon and used her media platforms and position of relative power and expertise to defend a corrupt establishment, support discrimination, and provoke more hysteria. She has no excuse.

The same goes for all sorts of other people whose job - or at the very least, moral responsibility due to their relative privilege - it was to BE the people who asked the questions, looked at the data, followed the money, and kept cool heads. Professors, journalists, doctors, pundits, etc. who swallowed the narrative and contributed to the hysteria are imo far more culpable than ordinary people, who may never have taken a statistics class, never learned where and how to access data bases or find journal articles, and never had exposure to how research funding works. The elite ARE taught to do those things, but chose not to look at facts and ask questions - which is why imo they don't deserve amnesty until there is some sort of accountability for their failures.

Re: Emily Oster says 'Let's forgive and forget'

[p_coyle]

oh, she had plenty of "excuses." her article is full of them. i'm not buying it, and judging from the reaction to the article, i am far from alone. she's going to have to try a little harder.