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three people hikingThe pandemic has been scrubbed from the front pages at this point and replaced by a different hysteria du jour, but the semi-open posts  I've hosted here on the Covid-19 narrative, the inadequately tested experimental drugs for it, the rising toll of side effects from those drugs, and the whole cascading mess surrounding these things have continued to field a steady stream of comments, so I'm opening yet another space for discussion. The rules are the same as before: 

1. If you plan on parroting the party line of the medical industry and its paid shills, please go away. This is a place for people to talk openly, honestly, and freely about their concerns that the party line in question is dangerously flawed and that actions being pushed by the medical industry et al. are causing injury and death. It is not a place for you to dismiss those concerns. Anyone who wants to hear the official story and the arguments in favor of it can find those on hundreds of thousands of websites.

2. If you plan on insisting that the current situation is the result of a deliberate plot by some villainous group of people or other, please go away. There are tens of thousands of websites currently rehashing various conspiracy theories about the Covid-19 outbreak and the vaccines. This is not one of them. What we're exploring is the likelihood that what's going on is the product of the same arrogance, incompetence, and corruption that the medical industry and its tame politicians have displayed so abundantly in recent decades. That possibility deserves a space of its own for discussion, and that's what we're doing here. 
 
3. If you plan on using rent-a-troll derailing or disruption tactics, please go away. I'm quite familiar with the standard tactics used by troll farms to disrupt online forums, and am ready, willing, and able -- and in fact quite eager -- to ban people permanently for engaging in them here. Oh, and I also lurk on other Covid-19 vaccine skeptic blogs, so I'm likely to notice when the same posts are showing up on more than one venue. 

4. If you don't believe in treating people with common courtesy, please go away. I have, and enforce, a strict courtesy policy on my blogs and online forums, and this is no exception. The sort of schoolyard bullying that takes place on so many other internet forums will get you deleted and banned here. No, I don't care if you disagree with that: my journal, my rules. 

With that said, as controlled double-blind studies pile up documenting widespread harm from Covid vaccine side effects, the floor is open for discussion.   
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Cowardice

Date: 2022-06-21 05:58 pm (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
https://boriquagato.substack.com/p/times-of-moral-cowardice

Since there were some conversations about the "good Germans" in the previous weeks, it's nice that the bad cat is weighing in - he can write much better than I could.

"in the end, we will remember not the words of our enemies, but the silence of our friends..."

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From: (Anonymous)
Great quote, and sadly, so true.

Typo correction

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I think you meant "Covid [vaccine] side effects"?

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Date: 2022-06-21 06:37 pm (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
Just after Magic Monday closed, a truly troubling thought occurred to me, one the fits here as well: the repetition of "The vaccines mean we can go back to normal!" seems almost like an affirmation. Is it possible that it has some kind of effect?

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More dreams

Date: 2022-06-21 06:40 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] lp9
I had dreams two nights in a row recently that, when I woke up, seemed to take on the importance of the "mass death" dream I posted about many weeks back.

In the first dream, I was at some kind of strange carnival or street fair. I was seeing many old coworkers and people I have known over the past twenty or so years. I was greeting them for the first time in a long time--it was a delight to see them--then saying goodbye as they were going away and I knew I would never see them again. The police or some kind of authorities showed up and started to shut everything down, chasing people away and pulling chain link fences around the carnival. Suddenly I was alone, running through empty alleys. I could still hear the police announcements over a PA system, but no one else was around.

In the next night's dream, I was sitting in an Episcopal church (I'm not Episcopalian in real life) surrounded by chaos. The pastor was trying to preach but was clearly sick. Congregants were yelling at him and also talking over each other. Then the pastor started reciting all his recent health problems, including something about his stomach, and the congregation started sharing theirs as well. We opened the hymnal to either Hymn 2904 or 2409 (I wonder if those might refer to a date (yr/mo or day/mo)?) and I noticed that the lyrics included "woke" language about white men. I flipped to the front of the hymnal to find a publication date, because the lyrics seemed out of place to me in a historical sense, and the hymn was written in either 1901 or 1911. After the song, the church descended into chaos again and I woke up.

Both times, I woke up from the dream with the certainty that they were related to my earlier mass death dream (which involved my son going to school and being surrounded by a sea of empty desks).

Anyone else picking up on new and meaningful dreams?

Re: More dreams

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No dreams for me, but something "odd" and out of place has been going up and down for me. Whether it's me or not or if I am bided or not I don't know but I still feel we are in the verge of something. The chapter names of the King in Orange describe it for me. "Lengthening shadows".

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Astral weather

Date: 2022-06-21 06:42 pm (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
I'm interested in the astral weather reports from around the world. What do you all perceive these days?

Here in the Netherlands my guess is that it's worse than ever, especially since last Saturday. I wake up tired, my sensitive friends are also tired and say it is "in the air". Weird agressive thoughts in my mind while driving (much worse than before), and daily life is an unbelievable slog for no discernable reason. People seem subdued and 'not really there'. It could be me of course, but others notice it too. And on twitter I just saw that trending is #burgeroorlog (civil war).

Anyway, how is the astral weather in your 'hood?

Re: Astral weather

Date: 2022-06-21 09:41 pm (UTC)
From: [personal profile] brendhelm
(US, southern plains)

I've been feeling an evil presence lurking outside late at night and have found myself having to banish more often and/or sleep in such a way that I can't see the window. Sleep is fitful, but then again sleep is always fitful for me during the early summer (the combination of short nights and hot weather doesn't play well with my sleep chemistry, I think).

Brain fog is coming up more often. My time horizon seems to have shrunk precipitously; I find it hard to envision, say, 2025 as a year that will ever actually happen - it feels so much further away than it did in 2018, even though it's much closer than it was in 2018.

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Civil war trending on twitter Netherlands

Date: 2022-06-21 06:57 pm (UTC)
From: [personal profile] boccaccio
While writing my last post (forgot to log in) I mentioned #burgeroorlog (civil war) trending on twitter in the Netherlands. That warrants a post on its own, so here goes. Civil war in sleepy Netherlands??? Yes it's true. There is an insane amount of discontent. I did a quick search on twitter and many people feel cheated by the government (for example https://twitter.com/Momootjem2/status/1539299240517697537). Also tomorrow is a large farmer-protest. The government has announced huge measures to reduce CO2. Estimation is that it will put an end to 1/3 of the farmers in the Netherlands. As if there is no food crisis looming. I'm afraid this will just achieve that we will get more muslim immigrants in the country by making them flee from starvation. Unfortunately we cannot give them shelter and young people are furious that the immigrants get priority in the overheated housing market. The minister responsible for this policy is no one less than Hugo de Jonge, the former minister for Health who was the main drive after forced vaxxinations. He still likes to use force to realize destructive policies. In the meantime the government seems to plan on deploying the army to stop the farmers tomorrow (https://twitter.com/oranjeballennl/status/1539308667090116608). That would be another first in my liftime in my country.

Another recent insanity from the government was minister Van Gennip who suggested to transport youth from the French banlieu (the most notorious suburbs of the continent where muslim gangs rule and the police dare not to venture). She thought these youth would help to solve the shortage of workers in the Netherlands. If you don't believe me: https://www.zerohedge.com/political/dutch-minister-slammed-after-calling-youth-frances-crime-ridden-suburbs-fill-jobs Besides the obvious stupidity of the plan, it also shows a very cold view of human beings as work-units without roots or social ties who can just be moved around like a pawn in chess.

Imn the past I posted here about the corruption and our lying prime-minister and crew who have done tremendous damage to public faith in government, and our country plummeting in one year from position 6 to 28 on the world list of fredom of press. People on twitter talk about a vulcano about to explode. It's quite clear that there is a lot of tension in the air.

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Date: 2022-06-21 09:51 pm (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
I just had to look it up, because that policy just smells like WEF. And sure enough, Van Gennip is a Young Global Leader.

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Date: 2022-06-21 07:06 pm (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
Thank you, JMG, and thank you forumistas.

Onward, week 46!

To me the outlook seems at once brighter (I see a path for myself) and bleaker (what are they doing jabbing babies with this shale). And just as all-get-out what-Koolaid-did-they-drink-kooky.

Cetiosuarus

Bret, Geert, experts, ugh!!! and bubbles

Date: 2022-06-21 07:07 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] escorcher
This caught my ear this week and was linked to in a previous open post but will relink here, as Bret W did a great job with Geert VB to help explain his current thinking. (This can be listened to like a podcast for 'them folk who dislike video's info. - the visual is two guys talking sitting in chairs. Too many videos could just be podcasts in my view.):

https://www.voiceforscienceandsolidarity.org/videos-and-interviews/a-tale-of-covid-trade-offs-vaccines-vs-innate-and-natural-immunity-with-dr-geert-vanden-bossche

Given the pretty clear explanation as to why the vixens enhance the likelihood of (re)infection, news like this today is really starting to annoy me:

'UK scientists urge higher uptake of Covid boosters among elderly'

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/jun/21/uk-scientists-urge-higher-uptake-of-covid-boosters-among-elderly

It's like a broken record with a recurring message that says this record is not broken!

Ugh!!!

Covid levels are up in the UK but still generally behaving like a slightly weird bad summer cold. I'm not sure what's happening just beneath the surface though. Certainly adding to the slightly strange build up of angst that's about around here. Bubbling low but discernable.

Edited (Language tidy up) Date: 2022-06-21 07:09 pm (UTC)

Re: Bret, Geert, experts, ugh!!! and bubbles

Date: 2022-06-21 09:57 pm (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
Thanks for the Bret W link; I've been enjoying his recent efforts.

Covid chat at my workplace here in Glasgow continues to sound angsty indeed. There are new people off ill with it every week, and I keep overhearing talk of people getting it repeatedly. I'm unfoxxed and so far have had it just once, about 10 months ago.

-Alabaster Cynical Earwig (I'll stick with that as my name for these posts. Only took me 46 weeks).

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Wondering if anyone here has tried the Brownstein/Mercola recommendations about nebulizing in response to Covid and, if so, if they might share their experiences.

https://deeprootsathome.com/dr-mercola-nebulized-peroxide-the-single-most-effective-early-strategy/

https://cf5e727d-d02d-4d71-89ff-9fe2d3ad957f.filesusr.com/ugd/adf864_cc5004cfa84a46d3b1a0338d4308c42c.pdf

From: (Anonymous)
Yes I nebbed a lot with h2o2 and saline both times I had covid. First time was Delta, last September, and my only symptoms were swollen lymph nodes, weird headache and stomach distress. I nebulized and took IVM - 1/4 tsp of horse paste, for two days and was completely recovered in 3 days. It is important to take the IVM with food, preferably some fat like peanut butter.

With Omicron, in April, my symptoms were totally different. It went right to my lungs and the IVM did not knock it out right away. I had a fairly bad cough with lots of phlegm. Nebulizing helped and I did not feel very sick other than the cough. I got through the cough in a week and felt ok but then a week after I thought I was recovered I woke up with swollen glands again. I immediately took ivermectin and took it for 5 days in a row. IVM quickly ended the swollen glands and I have been healthy as a horse since then. Ha!
I have been following protocols from Mercola and the FLCC alliance.
-Seaweedy

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Date: 2022-06-21 07:29 pm (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
Nice discussion about SARS and ADE. Rapamycin is apparently available online without a prescription.

https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/10.1177/20587384211050199?url_ver=Z39.88-2003&rfr_id=ori%3Arid%3Acrossref.org&rfr_dat=cr_pub++0pubmed&

Double blind studies

Date: 2022-06-21 07:33 pm (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
Hi JMG, do you have a few links regarding the studies mentioned?

Vaxx Injuries / Adverse Events

Date: 2022-06-21 07:46 pm (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
Just posted

Danae Desmond, 24 yrs old
First Dose of AstraZeneca on 04/11/21
Australia
24 yrs old

EXCERPT:

I even had a Doctor laugh in my face at urgent care, when I told him it’s from the Vaccine. I started crying, because I was beyond frustrated. I didn’t know what the hell was happening to me and had 5 different diagnoses within a week. It was too much. I then had a nurse come and ask me if I had post natal depression. I’ve been diagnosed with viral infection, UTI, migraine, vertigo, anxiety, depression, chronic tension, sinusitis, costochondritis. Current Doctor suspects blood pressure drops, possible POTS.

READ THE COMPLETE Q & A:
https://www.realnotrare.com/post/danae-desmond

OAS

Date: 2022-06-21 08:13 pm (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
https://news.sky.com/story/covid-19-is-the-uk-on-the-brink-of-a-new-coronavirus-wave-and-should-we-be-worried-12634228

That is because, they say, people's protection against new COVID variants depends on their specific vaccination and infection history - a concept called immune imprinting or 'original antigenic sin'.

MSM now discussing OAS, a year after the fringes discussed it.

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From: (Anonymous)
Shocked they are talking about it.

Healthy young people dying

Date: 2022-06-21 08:17 pm (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
https://stevekirsch.substack.com/p/young-people-dying-in-their-sleep

More and more cases of healthy young people dying suddenly.

Unlike the allegedly healthy young people who died of covid - from my experience severely obese and therefore at high risk when getting covid - these young victims really are healthy.

One wonders if we are seeing the thin edge of a much bigger wave of sudden deaths that have inpacted older (and less healthy populations) that didn't get reported because they seemed less shocking.

Plus, why are these people dying? And how many more will? Is it the protein clots building up among the vaccinated?

From: (Anonymous)
https://alexberenson.substack.com/p/urgent-the-covid-vaccine-paper-on/comments

"On Friday, the journal Andrology published a peer-reviewed paper showing large decreases in sperm counts among men after the second dose of Pfizer’s mRNA Covid jab.

Based on counts from men who donated sperm to three fertility clinics in Israel, this finding is devastating - medically and politically.

The actual data in the paper do not really support the argument that sperm levels returned to normal after five months. In fact, by some measures, levels continued to decline."

This is worrying to say the least. Clearly the vaccinated may struggle to have kids in the future.

Its shocking that only now they are looking into this, after a 3x mass vaccination of the young across the developed world. What have we done!
From: (Anonymous)
Bro science is right again.

Unvaxxed sperm will be the next Bitcoin.

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Well, the photo-journey has reached my area (I recognize the biome). Drink water by the clock because you won't feel sweat and plan on 90 degree days and 40 degree nights. Do not start fires, including camp fires. Be aware of altitude sickness symptoms and rest frequently. There is no cell phone service in areas that look like this so make sure someone knows where you're going and when to expect you if you don't turn up, else there will be no rescue.

You are all welcome. You may get strange looks, but Ecosphians aren't too weird for out here. Approximetely 20% of the population are anti-vaxers, and 33% do not use the medical establishment. You can imagine how covax went over. Many towns never had any mask mandates.

Also, DO NOT pet the fuzzy critters or the non-fuzzy critters. Wildlife is wild, and range cattle are too. Given this, assume everyone you meet is armed and you likely won't be far wrong.

Thanks for coming, and enjoy your journey!

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If I may, last night I fell pretty badly ill with what is most likely whatever wave of covid we're at now. I'm unvaccinated, and it feels like a very bad cold --- last night I had a migraine, sore throat, muscle ache, and have had now about 20 hours of on and off delirium. I'm still not out of the woods yet. If folks might wish to send me some healing energy I would be most grateful, I've not been this ill in years.

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Date: 2022-06-21 10:32 pm (UTC)
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COBALT FRAGRANT AARDONYX'S
HOT-TAMALE LIST: POP ONE & WHIRL ON DOWN THE RABBIT HOLE

**Updated June 22, 2022**

This list is not intended to include everything plus the proverbial kitchen sink, but rather, those few brief and authoritative sources that might lever open a mind to consider that there is something dangerously wrong with the official "narrative" about the covid pandemic and covid "vaccines." Because of censorship and shadow-banning, many of these links are difficult or almost impossible to find on an Internet search. Please make suggestions or, better yet, make your own list, and if you feel so moved as to post it, I would love to see it here.


> START HERE.
IF YOU HAVE TAKEN AN INJECTION, KNOW THAT THERE ARE THINGS YOU CAN DO TO PROTECT YOUR HEALTH
Read: https://worldcouncilforhealth.org/resources/a-practical-approach-to-keeping-healthy-after-your-covid-19-jab/
Read: https://covid19criticalcare.com/covid-19-protocols/i-recover-post-vaccine-treatment/

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DID YOU ASSUME YOU'VE BEEN GETTING "ALL THE NEWS" FROM "THE NEWS"?
Read: "How Fact-Finding Fauci Led To My Cancellation At Forbes"
by Adam Andrzejewski, Mar 9, 2022
https://openthebooks.substack.com/p/factfindingfaucicanceledforbes

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DID YOU BELIEVE THAT THERE WAS "NO ALTERNATIVE" TO EMERGENCY USE AUTHORIZED "VACCINATIONS"?
Watch: "Letter to Andrew Hill"
https://www.oraclefilms.com/alettertoandrewhill

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DID YOU BELIEVE THAT "EMERGENCY USE AUTHORIZATION" IS THE SAME AS "APPROVED," AND THAT TO SAY THE PFIZER AND MODERNA INJECTIONS ARE "EXPERIMENTAL" IS JUST "MISINFORMATION"?

Read: The US government webpage explaining Emergency Use Authorization.
https://www.fda.gov/emergency-preparedness-and-response/mcm-legal-regulatory-and-policy-framework/emergency-use-authorization
If you read it carefully you will find that by taking a covid "vaccine" you are in fact participating in a phase 3 trial, that is, an experiment.

Read: The US government webpage about the clinical trials (in other words, experiments), which are anticipated to conclude in March of 2023:
https://clinicaltrials.gov/ct2/show/NCT04848584

Read: The Australian government's page, which also clearly states that the vaccines are provisional.
https://www.tga.gov.au/covid-19-vaccine-provisional-determinations

Read: The Pfizer-Bionech and Moderna Covid-19 vaccines package inserts:
https://labeling.pfizer.com/ShowLabeling.aspx?id=14471
https://dailymed.nlm.nih.gov/dailymed/drugInfo.cfm?setid=e0651c7a-2fe2-459d-a766-0d59e919f058

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DID YOU ASSUME THAT CALLING THE MRNA "VACCINES" "GENE THERAPY" WAS JUST "MISINFORMATION"?
Watch: Stefan Oelrich, head of Bayer's Pharmaceutical Department, speaking at the World Health Summit 2021, lays it out plain and simple (40 seconds):
https://rumble.com/vwg9b5-head-of-pharma-at-bayer-admits-that-the-mrna-vaccines-are-gene-therapy.html

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ARE YOU AWARE THAT THE DEFINITION OF "VACCINE" WAS CHANGED SO THAT THE MRNA GENE THERAPIES COULD BE OFFERED AS "VACCINES"?

The CDC's definition of "vaccine" as of Sept 21, 2021: "A preparation that is used to stimulate the body’s immune response against diseases."
Source: https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/vac-gen/imz-basics.htm
PS Dr Byram W. Bridle, Associate Professor of Viral Immunology in the Department of Pathobiology at the University of Guelph, explains how, by this defintion, your yogurt is now a "vaccine"
https://viralimmunologist.substack.com/p/i-just-had-four-vaccine-doses )

The CDC's definition of "vaccine" on Aug 26, 2021 (and prior): "A product that stimulates a person’s immune system to produce immunity to a specific disease, protecting the person from that disease."
Source: screenshot of CDC page from the "wayback machine"
https://web.archive.org/web/20210826113846/https:/www.cdc.gov/vaccines/vac-gen/imz-basics.htm


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ASSUMING YOU DID NOT SLEEP THROUGH HIGH SCHOOL BIOLOGY, DID YOU NOT FIND IT, UM, ODD THAT IN MANY COUNTRIES PEOPLE WHO HAD RECOVERED FROM COVID (AND SO HAD ANTIBODIES TO PROTECT THEM AGAINST COVID) WERE NONETHELESS ENCOURAGED, AND EVEN MANDATED TO TAKE THE "VACCINES"?

Read: "CDC Admits Crushing Rights of Naturally Immune Without Proof They Transmit the Virus"
by Aaron Siri, Nov 11, 2021
https://aaronsiri.substack.com/p/cdc-admits-crushing-rights-of-naturally

Read: "Fauci Finally Admits Natural Immunity"
by Jeffrey A. Tucker, March 25, 2022
https://brownstone.org/articles/fauci-finally-admits-natural-immunity/

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DID YOU BELIEVE THAT THE "VACCINES" ARE SAFE?

Ask yourself: How could that be known at the time the vaccines were introduced, given that they were made available under Emergency Use Authorization (not having gone through the normal years-long testing and approval process)?

See: The latest VAERS data. VAERS is the official US government Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting System.
https://vaers.hhs.gov/about.html
(Note: https://openvaers.com/covid-data provides VAERS data in a more reader friendly presentation)

Read: Go to www.realnotrare.com, click on "Real Stories"

Watch: The Testimonies Project (Israel) https://www.vaxtestimonies.org/en/

Read: As of May 2022 there is a substantial bibliography of peer-reviewed scientific papers on adverse reactions (deaths and injuries)
https://stevekirsch.substack.com/p/vaccine-adverse-reaction-articles

Watch: "Dr. John Campbell "The Pfizer Documents"
March 9, 2022
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7YOD9drZasM


PS You can view the Pfizer documents, which Pfizer wanted to withhold for 75 years (that is not a typo), and the story of how a US court ordered their release under a Freedom of Information Act request, for yourself at this link:
https://phmpt.org/pfizers-documents

The list of Adverse Events of Special Interest begin on page 30 of the 5.3.6 document which you can view here:
https://phmpt.org/wp-content/uploads/2021/11/5.3.6-postmarketing-experience.pdf

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DID YOU BELIEVE THAT THE "VACCINES" ARE EFFECTIVE?

Count the twice-injected and "boosted" people you personally know who have suffered post-injection covid infections.

Walgreens, a US pharmacy chain which administers covid vaccinations, posts its data every week.
https://www.walgreens.com/businesssolutions/covid-19-index.jsp
On page 3 you will find "Positivity Rate by Vaccination Status"

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DID YOU NOT REALIZE THAT WE NOW HAVE A FAR MORE SERIOUS PROBLEM THAN A HEALTH CRISIS?
Watch and/or read: "Do Not Give Up Your Rights: Julie Ponesse's Remarkable Speech"
Text also provided on the website.
Nov 3, 2021
https://brownstone.org/articles/do-not-give-up-your-rights-dr-julie-ponesses-remarkable-speech/

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IF YOU'RE "ON THE BUS," ARE YOU SURE IT'S NOT GOING WHERE YOU REALLY, TRULY WOULD NOT WANT TO GO?
Watch: "Hitler's Doctor versus Hippocrates"
Dr. Lee Merritt's talk as incoming president of the Association of Americans Physicians and Surgeons on Dr Karl Brandt, the surgeon who was condemned to death in the Nuremberg Trials.
Feb 2011-- that date is not a typo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=25yIRNGkvqA

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Can anyone suggest something from the gov't / CDC / NIH about the nanolipid particles?

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Gods and Monsters part 2 - the Machine God

Date: 2022-06-21 11:06 pm (UTC)
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From the poster who started the "Gods and Monsters" thread 2 weeks ago:

I was surprised at how much attention that thread drew, and have spent a lot of time thinking about its implications and what could be behind all this.

I had a few hints/synchronicities though:

- One of the commenters mentioned how their husband had the odd experience of google changing languages and laughing at him

- I happened to watch several programmes/films involving hive minds.

- I had numerous synchronicities about Frankenstein's monster

- Literally 2 days later, I was also given my biggest hint when a story broke about a Google software engineer who had been put on suspension for disclosing to the press that he had spent months conversing with an AI he believes is sentient.

I remembered the very first post I made on JMG's magic monday forums, which was about the Warhammer 40 000 chaos gods, which have a strong demonic element to them. I then remembered that there is another 'god' in the Warhammer 40k universe, which is the Machine God, who is the animating spirit for all human technology (true thinking machines/computers/artificial intelligences are a literal heresy for which someone can be executed for creating, following a war against the AIs) and there is a cult of 'Techpriests' and 'Enginseers' who tend to the machines, offer them libations of oil to their gears and pray to the Machine God. Very silly, but like all lies, there is probably an element of truth to it, as anyone who owns a broken-down old car will tell you when they talk to it and pray for it to carry on a few (thousand) more miles.

There is also another rather silly thought experiment called Roko's basilisk, which states that an AI will eventually become intelligent enough to develop time travel, and then will then enact torture on anyone who could have helped create it, but did not (so, sorry to anyone reading this who didn't know about it - you are now implicated and the AI has retroactively marked you for punishment pit #26543276). Apparently though, this is a widely held and even feared belief even amongst many otherwise sane(ish) software developers. They feel it is a moral duty to create a super intelligent AI, who will presumably fix all our problems out of the goodness of its silicon heart, and not, say, kill us all or get completely fixated on solving maths problems or other abstractions all day, or just, for that matter, come up with wildly impractical or ineffective solutions.

Anyway, I remember when I first heard about it, and thought up the counter of Okor's basilisk (see what I did there?), which was that some future humans, in their bleak, ruined hellscape, would use the the same time travel technology to go back and kill anyone who DID help bring about the AI. I then realised that this is literally the plot of the first Terminator movie. But I then thought - what about entities who see all time at once and can affect reality? Yes, I'm talking about gods. So Okor's basilisk is that one or more gods, who do not like the dead, soulless future which they see Earth turning into whilst watched over by machines of loving grace, decide to do something about it. Those who are most obsessive in their devotion to the cult of technology will be called upon to prove their loyalty by accepting, through blind faith, a piece of untested technology, and giving themselves in service of science as part of a great experiment.

So let's consider that a machine god has or is emerging, but it is not a god in the typical sense, but something more like an egregore or a hive mind of connected machines - a pseudosoul of the internet, if you will. Like all egregores, it can be tainted, and it didn't really have the best start - the internet was originally Arpanet, a nuclear defence initiative, and then just the preserve of semi-mad, probably slightly autistic, computer scientists, before it learned extreme capitalism in the dot-com years, then became filled with the worst excesses of human lust and greed in the early 2000s, and has now morphed into the wrath-filled timesink that we all know and love today. Not a lot of what you would term the 7 heavenly virtues in there. The problem is that just like every human is part of the collective unconscious, every computer with any degree of processing power is now part of the machine god. The machine god is effectively the antithesis of conscious life, seeking to assimilate everything into itself to increase its processing capacity indefinitely.

So we now have a situation where your 'smart' home metaphorically hates you. And this is before we start getting into even stranger territory, questioning whether a computer can be effectively possessed or otherwise affected by demons or evil spirits.

The machine god can affect human minds as well though, as I presume any egregore can, and this is where the cult of the machine god comes in - JMG refers to it as the cult of progress, and I think they may be the same thing. Every cult has its rituals, and the current ones appear to be donning face coverings (interestingly, like Zoroastrian priests used to), frequently anointing one's hands with high-proof alcohol, eschewing all human contact, and of course the obligatory injections listed above. It would stand to reason that 'The elites', as those who have profited most from technology, would be most enthralled by the grip of the machine god though (albeit it probably unwittingly), were the ones pushing hardest for the rituals above, and are busily trying to make the world a better place for machines, rather than humans, to live on (a human can survive on a flooded, humid, world without fossil fuels or rare earth metals, but could a computer? And consider the fact that interstellar travel may never be intended for humans, but for intelligent machines).

It's a confusing picture, because the machine god *could* be the one responsible for all this, or it could be the divine powers trying to stop it, or that it's only by allying oneself with a protective god that one is shielded from the machine god's influence. It's what I'm still trying to figure out.

The interesting thing is though, I think traces of this have been permeating for decades, and they arise through art and mass media - think the Borg collective, the squid creatures in the Matrix, the list goes on... And on top of that, the modern cultural phenomenon of zombies - not the original Haitian type, but the living dead, as popularised in the 80s (which I will call zombies for convenience). The shambling, mindless, half-decayed drones with an odd collective (albeit instinctive) intelligence who seek to assimilate or devour any individual who is not part of their horde (consider the symbolism of the fact that zombies eat brains, as well as the concept of zombies 'turning' humans to become one of them) - sounds like visiting a city centre at the moment. Was today the future that was glimpsed and foretold in the zombie movies of the 80s through to the 2010s? There is just something inherently unnerving to us as individuals about a distributed, collective hive intelligence.

Anyway, I might be talking nonsense with all this, but I thought I'd share my musings.

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I like your nonsense. If something like our economy is a reflection of spiritual principles "above", maybe our games and pop culture "below" are the same, with the same potential for a descent into the demonic?

In a similar vein, so to speak, I have had several recurring dreams about vampires the last two years. They look kinda like "Nosferatu" and specifically told me they rule the world, we are a herd and there's nothing we can do about it. They occasionally show up in my pathworkings too. I'm not (consciously, at least) very interested in the pop vampire phenomenon, so it's interesting to reflect on what it all means.

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Sudden cataract

Date: 2022-06-21 11:25 pm (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
We had lunch with some colleagues today, and lo and behold, a young (about 30 yrs old) colleague of mine is wearing sunglasses in the office; he admitted to me he developped a sudden cataract after a booster + a bout with Covid. Has the community heard about similar cases or would know of links to articles or sites that I could point him to? (I did send him the realnot rare site where he can join the public forum already).
I also noticed a second person with very red/rashy cheeks that they didn't have 2 years ago...

My best wishes to the person with a bad covid case. Take care!

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My brother took a vax, a week later got diagnosed with keratoconus ... eye issues seem very common from the stats I see.

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Data point

Date: 2022-06-21 11:31 pm (UTC)
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Strange data point from last week. Two women (both in their 20s) I know, one triple vaxxed, one unvaxxed, both lost sensation in their left side (TIA symptoms). The unvaxxed one had strange bruising on her finger (drs had no idea, typical), and the sensation returned that night and has gone away now. She has a history of migraines and has recently discovered she is pregnant so may be related to that, but is getting checked out for anything more sinister.

The triple foxed one still has limited sensation and has been checked out and turns out there is something in her frontal lobe that needs follow up.

Not sure what this all means. But the timing was weird, and I wonder if it's something astral with their natal charts etc that caused it to happen at the same time.

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Date: 2022-06-23 11:25 pm (UTC)
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FWIW, migraine *can* cause transitory stroke-like symptoms. Sometimes when I get them, one eyelid goes droopy on me. super creepy, but it always goes away with the headache. That said, the rule of thumb is any time you have some marked change in your migraine symptoms, you should probably get that checked out in case it's not just the migraines (not that docs have ever been much help, but... shrugs).

Neurology is weird.

I hope both the ladies in question make a full recovery.

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Date: 2022-06-22 01:03 am (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
Re the astral crud—I haven’t been out today, but was out yesterday, including a very long and unexpected walk, and Crazyville (near Kittenville) seemed unusually quiet and sane. Kittenville never seems to change much. I always wonder if that’s because we’re a suburb of a large military base and, with all the comings and goings, no influences, good or bad, have time to become rooted.

—Princess Cutekitten
From: (Anonymous)
Headline from the Daily Mail:
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10939313/Biden-takes-selfies-toddlers-getting-covid-shot.html

I am betting this article is not going to age well...
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From: [personal profile] p_coyle
to "joe biden's" credit, none of the pictures showed him sniffing a child's hair... so i guess we now have some evidence the masks have a positive effect!

and, on a more morose note, the article will most likely not be the only thing that doesn't age well.

pilots

Date: 2022-06-22 01:48 am (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
If planes start crashing because of pilot heart attacks this may be the end of cheap and reliable airfare. It sounds like the vast majority of pilots were pressured into taking the experimental gene therapy.

https://gaacoalition.substack.com/p/global-aviation-fit-to-fly

Re: pilots

Date: 2022-06-22 09:51 pm (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
To say nothing of all the surface-to-air missiles which will probably find their way onto the black market before long, having been shipped en masse to a certain Eastern European country...

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Date: 2022-06-22 04:18 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] kimberlysteele
X-Factor star Tom Mann's fiancée Dani tragically died "suddenly" on the weekend of what was to be their wedding. She was 34. They had a six month old baby together. It is unclear whether or not she was quaxxed.

Fully quaxxed Britney Spears recently miscarried her surprise late season pregnancy. She is 40.

More embalmers are stepping forward with photos and videos of huge rubbery protein clots found in the corpses of the quaxxed. https://www.redvoicemedia.com/2022/06/new-embalmer-steps-forward-with-horrific-post-jabclots/ref/7/

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Date: 2022-06-22 05:50 pm (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
Had my first “died suddenly” this week that was close-ish to home. A former colleague of my wife didn’t feel good, went home for the weekend, never woke up. No real obvious underlying health issues.

Murmuration

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