Open (More or Less) Post on Covid 40

[ecosophia]

The pandemic has been scrubbed from the front pages at this point and replaced by a different hysteria du jour, but the semi-open posts  I've hosted here on the Covid-19 narrative, the inadequately tested experimental drugs for it, and the whole cascading mess surrounding them have continued to field a steady stream of comments, so I'm opening yet another space for discussion. The rules are the same as before: 

1. If you plan on parroting the party line of the medical industry and its paid shills, please go away. This is a place for people to talk openly, honestly, and freely about their concerns that the party line in question is dangerously flawed and that actions being pushed by the medical industry et al. are causing injury and death. It is not a place for you to dismiss those concerns. Anyone who wants to hear the official story and the arguments in favor of it can find those on hundreds of thousands of websites.

2. If you plan on insisting that the current situation is the result of a deliberate plot by some villainous group of people or other, please go away. There are tens of thousands of websites currently rehashing various conspiracy theories about the Covid-19 outbreak and the vaccines. This is not one of them. What we're exploring is the likelihood that what's going on is the product of the same arrogance, incompetence, and corruption that the medical industry and its tame politicians have displayed so abundantly in recent decades. That possibility deserves a space of its own for discussion, and that's what we're doing here. 
 
3. If you plan on using rent-a-troll derailing or disruption tactics, please go away. I'm quite familiar with the standard tactics used by troll farms to disrupt online forums, and am ready, willing, and able -- and in fact quite eager -- to ban people permanently for engaging in them here. Oh, and I also lurk on other Covid-19 vaccine skeptic blogs, so I'm likely to notice when the same posts are showing up on more than one venue. 

4. If you don't believe in treating people with common courtesy, please go away. I have, and enforce, a strict courtesy policy on my blogs and online forums, and this is no exception. The sort of schoolyard bullying that takes place on so many other internet forums will get you deleted and banned here. No, I don't care if you disagree with that: my journal, my rules. 

With that said, as documents on the Covid vaccines pried loose from Pfizer show gaping irregularities in the tests that  analysts suggest point to wholesale experimental fraud, the floor is open for discussion.  

Comments

[(Anonymous)]

We're coming up on your anniversary of your first post back in 8/21. Any special plans?

[(Anonymous)]

Cake!

Quality control issues

[(Anonymous)]

Looks like the drug companies were hiding quality control issues for the covid vaxxes.

https://news.yahoo.com/drug-company-contracted-produce-covid-151217482.html

Re: Quality control issues

[(Anonymous)]

It is indeed notable that that (anything that might induce "vaccine hesitancy") appeared on yahoo news.

Hmmm

Vaccines as software updates

[(Anonymous)]

Continuing a line of thought that started late in last week's thread...

I have long thought of vaccines as sacraments of Progress: a means by which faith in the saving grace of modern technology can be made real and "in the flesh". (http://www.luterra.com/blog/?p=1335)

But there is another way in which they are somewhat unique. They are the only pharmaceutical treatment in widespread use that induces a *permanent* change in the bodies of the recipients, thus functioning as a human software update. The desired component of that change is the production of antibodies and cellular/memory immunity against a particular antigen. There can also be undesired/unanticipated effects, and compounding effects with previous vaccine "updates".

Viewed from this perspective, it is fairly clear that we have gone too far, from the functional "Windows XP" phase (vaccines against smallpox, polio, rabies, measles) to the bloated and buggy "Windows 10" phase with each new "update" providing fewer benefits and more unexplained system crashes.

And who better to oversee the development and deployment of human software upgrades than Billy Gates in his retirement?

Mark L

Re: Vaccines as software updates

[(Anonymous)]

This throws a different light on the "blue screen of death".

[(Anonymous)]

Week 40 feels significant. I can't explain why and I can't point to any one thing, but it feels like some thing is going to turn.

[escorcher]

Triple header possible ?!?:

1) virus gains enhanced pathogenicity over Omicron, particularly in the foxed

2) food plus fuel availability reduces and prices spike just as a hot summer in the northern hemisphere starts

3) governments come down hard on any kind of protest or 'outspokenness' just as frustrations rise

[(Anonymous)]

Has anyone else noticed at least some of the True Believers are reacting to efforts to get people to treat Covid like the flu by freaking out about how little has been done about the flu?

[(Anonymous)]

No, I haven't, but that's interesting-- and wouldn't surprise me, given the things I've been hearing people say over the past 2 years.

Gosh how amazing, those days when one could have the flu and still go to work, school, travel...

[open_space]

I read what is available as a sample of a book title Unmasked: The Global Failure of COVID Mask Mandates by Ian Miller and it seems good enough. I thought I'd mention it here.

[(Anonymous)]

So apparently, one of the irregularities (fraud?) in the data has to do with a clinical trial site that maybe doesn't exist.

As per bad cat:
https://boriquagato.substack.com/p/are-we-pfinding-pfizer-pfraud-part-fa2?s=r

The number of the clinical trial site that maybe doesn't exist?

4444

Remember all those gets?

I even seem to remember there being something extra strange about a 4444 get one time, although I could be mistaken.

Either way, though....

Weird, huh?

[(Anonymous)]

Is that a 4get (ha!) or a 5 get?
I ask because it’s (4) 4’s.

[(Anonymous)]

Hi JMG, and thanks again for doing this.

There's good tired and bad tired. I'd like to think you're good tired, like one feels when one has worked hard and accomplished something and it tired but happy and looking forward to some well-deserved down time. Alas, I at least am currently the other kind of tired, when one is just weary and fed up with what seems like intractable nonsense. (sigh)

Hope you're doing okay, and thanks again for all your effort.

[ecosophia]

Oh, I'm fine. I just spent a while looking back over the long lonely Covid road we've all walked, and felt tired (as in sick and tired) of the endless dreary ranting from the true believers in the Cult of the Virus That Will Kill Us All.

[(Anonymous)]

It looks like there are, in fact, abnormally high numbers of athletes who are collapsing and dying:

https://stevekirsch.substack.com/p/more-troubling-data-for-the-vaccine?s=r
https://goodsciencing.com/covid/athletes-suffer-cardiac-arrest-die-after-covid-shot/

[scotlyn]

I'm not certain what this means, clinically, but it also seems to be the case that many of the teenage (mostly, but not all) girls who have suffered adverse events from the HPV vaccine (the one that I, personally, first began to question), were on the sporty, active side. Something about working out, at the same time as your immune system is being *provoked*, seems to multiply the opportunities for things to go wrong.

[lunchboxbike]

Today I thought of the chorus from What Kinda Fool on Jim Presley's Strong Medicine:

What kinda fool
do you think that I am?
I can't close my eyes
and not give a damn
It's happening to him,
thank god that's not me
I can't close my eyes
but I hate what I see
How can this happen
in the land of the free?

Finally caught Covid

[(Anonymous)]

Unvexxed poster here. Whole family unvexxed. My wife, kids, and I came down with Covid over the weekend. We didn’t know it at first because I was the first to experience symptoms and it started with nausea. Which is not a symptom I really associate with Covid. Nausea tends to be more food-related for me. Plus there have been several times over the past few years where I was convinced I had Covid but I would test negative. I was starting to think I just couldn’t get it! It’s weird because, yes, when I tested Sunday night it came back negative. But then when tested Monday night again it came back POSITIVE!

Symptoms were high fever of 102/103, chills, body aches, nausea, and the usual “feeling sick” symptoms where you feel generally fatigued and everything tastes funny (or bitter).

Psychologically, I wasn’t worried about it until I found out it was Covid. I’m really only worried about the long term effects of spike protein cycling through my body for God-knows how long, since it’s a known toxin.

So we’re recovering, but it’s slower than I would expect. I’ve definitely been sicker (from the flu, for instance), but the odd thing about this is that the fever is gone one evening only to come back the following afternoon. That’s weird in my experience. Usually when a fever is gone it’s gone.

I am kind of miffed, perhaps unjustifiably, because when I got the positive result I called my doctor who only prescribed an inhaler and “prednisone,” which I had never heard of. I thought he was going to prescribe ivermectin. I thought I had an “enlightened” doctor, who my wife found specifically last summer because he was a bit “out there” and would be willing to exempt us from having to get vexxed. I was worried about losing my job at the time. Back then that was one of his treatments. I looked it up and “prednisone” is only third tier on the latest FLCCC treatment protocol, but ivermectin is first tier, along with hydroxicloroquine. So I asked him why and he said that “Omicron is vastly different from the other strains.” That didn’t mean anything to me. Why wouldn’t you start with an antiviral? It makes no sense to me. I can only surmise he either got a metaphorical visit from Fauci thugs who threatened to break his kneecaps if he didn’t get with the program. Or he’s more of a quack then I thought and he’s just beating to his own drummer on this one.

I frankly don’t get it. He’s recommending I take all the supplements in the FLCCC protocol. Maybe he’s trying to be a naturalist on this one.

So since you can only get ivermectin and hydroxycloroquine in the US with a prescription, and I never got around to procuring my own black market stash, what I did was order Nigella Sativa. FLCCC says to use that if ivermectin is not available.

If anyone thinks they can explain my doctor’s reasoning for only prescribing a third tier treatment, I would appreciate it. And I will try to respond in a timely manner if anyone has any questions about my personal data point.

Re: Finally caught Covid

[(Anonymous)]

The fever symptom you mentioned is actually very common, goes away, or is at least quite a bit lower, in the morning and comes back at night. I have seen this in myself, children, family, friends very often. I just had that in the virus I was sick with last month, low grade fever would come back every evening for 4 days or so. Yeah, I wouldnt rush to take prednisone either as steroids have issues themselves. But, it is on the list of approved medicines for COVID as it reduces inflammation. Here is an article that mentions using it for COVID, I like this quote as it mentions the trade off and only using it for people who are tested to realy need it, which your doctor likely did not do,

"Authors of the Einstein-Montefiore study found a simple blood test could dictate when a doctor should treat their patient with steroids. The blood test measures levels of C-reactive protein, which the liver produces in response to inflammation.

Steroid use in patients with a CRP level greater than 20 was associated with a reduced risk of mechanical ventilation or death. However, if CRP levels were less than 10, steroid use was associated with a 200% increased risk.

“Our findings suggest that steroid therapy should be reserved for people with high inflammation,” said senior author Dr. William Southern, professor of medicine and chief of the division of hospital medicine at Einstein and Montefiore. “It’s a different story for people who do not have significant inflammation: For them, any benefit is outweighed by the risks from using steroids.”

Dr. Robert Glatter, an emergency physician at Lenox Hill Hospital in New York City, said that using steroids too early in the infection process could inhibit the body’s immune system from doing its job of clearing the virus." https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/health/2020/07/22/covid-19-prednisone-linked-reduced-risk-coronavirus-death/5478793002/

hepatitis in kids

[(Anonymous)]

Wondering if anyone here (especially the scientific-minded) have any thoughts about the hepatitis outbreak in children and any potential connection to the foxes and how widely it might spread.

Re: hepatitis in kids

[fredsmith11]

Well, given the vax screws up the liver and most other major organs, I think you could say it's probably connected. /sarc off

Vaxxing kids is just so overtly unnecessary and evil, when the data shows 50-100 kids (stats vary by analyst) are killed by the vax for each one saved. Add to that all the injuries.

Biden is obviously senile, can't even follow the teleprompter and likely doesn't know what day it is, but more and more when I see politicians and senior health bureaucrats I get the feeling I'm looking at literal demons.

I think they're getting more overt as so many people are still hypnotised and they enjoy taking the piss.

[(Anonymous)]

Hello all. Once again JMG, thank you so much for keeping this space open, much appreciated!

I mentioned a few open posts back about my 93 mom having a stroke and not wanting her to get boosted. Well, she may need to move into a nursing home and be required to be boosted. So, firstly, I'm trying to make my peace with her probably having to get one. Secondly, and I know people have written about this but what can we give her to support her before the shot and afterwards? Does McCullough or any other have a protocol up for such a situation? My research time is limited so any advice is appreciated.

I do know about white pine tea and read about star anise but anything more specific? And, not sure how to word this, but how does one die of Covid if she has a DNR and wants no heroic measures to prolong life? Let's say she's at home, gets it and all our support measures aren't enough? How do we handle a Covid death at home? Of course, if she goes to a "home", I want to make sure I can be with her, if possible, if such a situation occurs.

So, anyone else navigating an elder's final years/months in these plague times? Thanks for any advice! Be well everyone,

Ellen

[(Anonymous)]

My understanding is that nursing homes will not allow any visits to people who have covid. Further, if there is covid in the nursing home or in the community then they will stop all visits completely, possibly for months, even if everyone who might get infected has been vaccinated and/or has proveable natural immunity through infection. Also, during these periods of lockdown, care for the residents' needs has been absolutely abysmal. In part, because of the very tight budgets on which many nursing homes are run which are destroyed by lockdowns and in part because it seems like regular visitors are necessary to hold back the creeping tide of institutionalised neglect that seems to arise from the sheer indifference of most of the staff even in expensive, well funded places. Also, by going into a private nursing home both the older person and their family in practice lose a great deal of power over medical treatment decisions in general. Nursing homes are notorious for either inflicting absurd life-prolongong care on people who don't want it or alternatively sedating people to death. The outcome seems to have a high correlation with profitability.

This situation in nursing homes means that my extended family has clubbed together to ensure we can do in-home care for the 6 sets of parents and in-laws we may become responsible for. I realise many people don't have the resources but if a private nursing home is affordable then in-home care is much better and cheaper, especially if the person doesn't want dramatic life extending interventions or access to heavy sedation. However, you need to be prepared well ahead of time with wheelchair accessible housing and plans for who will stay home for company and to provide care/supervise care assistants. That way when the broken hip or stroke happens your relative doesn't end up in care by default.

[(Anonymous)]

Has anyone else felt a new layer of dread as the realization of what it means if the entire set of studies used to justify the vaccines were faked has started to sink in? The fact that that happened at all suggests such major problems with all the regulators, around the world, as to call nearly all the health and safety rules into question...

[(Anonymous)]

No to the layer of dread. We’ve been punting this football around for quite awhile.
Regulatory capture,
The suicide of science from “Dark age America,”
the rushed to market nature,
comparable products that were deemed safe and effective and were neither,
The rise of scientism
And the credibility for sale sign that was definitely well under way by the time “More Doctors Smoke Camels,” and “DDT is good for me came out.”
We’ve speculated about back room deals,
Found evidence that these vaccines aren’t a good idea etc.
So no. I am not terrified. It’s like watching a train wreck you knew was coming.
I want to feel bad but Pfizer et al. did it to themselves.
So I won’t pretend to feel dread or to be surprised. I’m glad the truth is coming out and interested to know how big tech, the media, and the politicians intend to make it up to people they labeled as “misinformation” and “disinformation.”
Let this house of cards collapse. I will not mourn it.

Three part series on Pharmakeia

[kimberlysteele]

I just finished a three part series on the subject of medical grift and the collapse of the medical industry:

https://kimberlysteele.dreamwidth.org/tag/pharmakeia

Re: Three part series on Pharmakeia

[(Anonymous)]

Thanks Kimberley, excellent essays.

Fly with an waxxed pilot

[(Anonymous)]

https://www.armstrongeconomics.com/international-news/vaccine/airlines-playing-russian-roulette-with-passengers-lives/

[ari_ormstunga]

It begins! The Turkey Curse is manifesting. Evildoers beware.

https://redstate.com/alexparker/2022/05/10/massive-macho-turkey-terrorizes-cyclists-and-strollers-in-d-c-n562754

Between this and the blood red skies over China, I think something big is brewing :)

[(Anonymous)]

I am so heartened by this! May our enemies wander off in confusion! Gobble Gobble Gobble Gobble!

Thank you

[(Anonymous)]

Dear John Michael Greer and forumistas,

JMG, THANK YOU so much for hosting this forum, this invaluable oasis of sanity, week after week after week.

Forumistas, thank you so much for being here and contributing information, discussion, and your stories.

Coming into mid-May 2022, I feel we have come to a major turning point, perhaps this month, now that so much data is out about injuries and fraud and tyrannical, illegal acts every which way. There is an army of people, among them, us, and also data guys such as Steve Kirsch, el gato malo, Dr Jessica Rose, journalists such as Del Bigtree, lawyers such as Aaron Siri, Jeffrey A. Taylor, Reiner Fuellmich, Tom Renz, medical doctors and scientists including Dr Peter McCullough, Dr Mike Yeadon, Dr Geert Vanden Bossche, and so many, many, many more, all dedicated to getting out the truth, and defending our rights, and the future of our children.

For those who so avidly encouraged the jabbing, and for those who imposed mandates, this isn't going to go away. It will be imperfect, but there will be some calling to account.

I am heartened to see things start to move the other way in the broader culture, towards recognizing that something is very wrong about this.

However, such change can go too far, and/ or get dangerously chaotic.

It's been insane out there, and, on some level, among some people, I expect the insanity to just morph into different expressions.

For this reason, I so value this forum, and I trust that, whatever happens, however the pendulum swings, this forum will continue to be an oasis of sanity and that we can thereby help ourselves and others to get through it, and better yet, find joy in life.

Cetiosaurus

Re: Thank you

[(Anonymous)]

The measure of the swing to the left is the measure of the swing to the right. We can’t really avoid and overshoot to the right on a society level. We can on an individual level.

COVID entry rules for Mediterranean and Portuguese holidays

[(Anonymous)]

https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/lifestyle/travel/covid-entry-rules-spain-france-26925790
(...)
Fully vaccinated holidaymakers and people who have recovered from Covid in the last six months are allowed to enter Spain from the UK.
Children under the age of 12 are not required to show proof of full vaccination status.
(...)

Supermarket today

[(Anonymous)]

Today at the supermarket I've seen two workers working unmasked. Rules are softening here...

-A Spaniard.

Re: Supermarket today

[(Anonymous)]

(Anselmo)

Please!be cautious.
In Valencia the ohnmicron 's contagions are increasing.

We haven't finish yet

[(Anonymous)]

QUOTE: "It’s always the same with these people: the theory of despotic rule is fine; it’s just the implementation that has to be tweaked."

Excellent essay by Jeffrey A. Taylor-- what Lenin has in common with Gates...

"Why Won’t They Admit Failure?"
by Jeffrey A. Taylor
May 9, 2022

"It seems strange that one of the world’s richest men would feel the need for a book tour to boost sales. But that is what Bill Gates is doing, granting a series of interviews with deferential journalists.

"The thesis of his book and his interviews is that we should have locked down harder, sooner, and more precisely. Plus the vaccines need to be better next time.

"But make no mistake: in his view, there is no overall failure in the whole theory of pandemic control they deployed two years ago. That is sound. To be sure, mistakes were made but we can only learn from them, which is why public health agencies need more resources, more intelligence, more power, more deference. ..

CONTINUE READING
https://brownstone.org/articles/why-wont-they-admit-failure/

[(Anonymous)]

“the theory of despotic rule”

I like that. I am currently borrowing it.
I usually say it like this the problem with Utopia is whose?
Who, whom? Who gets to tell whom what to do?

But you just don’t understand if you put me or my guys in charge then everything will definitely be better! Said everyone, ever.

Hepatitis in children

[(Anonymous)]

This trhread has an interesting possible explanation for the hepatitis in young children https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1521282073679769601.html It basically argues that the adenovirus in the AZ and JJ vax 'de-attenuated' and started to mutate by interacting with other adeno-virusses. For people that have already been exposed to adeno virusses that isn't a problem, but young childrens immune system is adenovirus-naive and they get hit by a large load of adenovirus with possibly serious consequences.

I wondered how this ties in with the hepatitis cases in Israel as Israel used only non-adeno mRNA vaxxes. I think I found the answer though: the child that died came from Gaza. That is Palestine territory. I looked into it and yes, the Palestinian territories used Pfizer and AZ. The last one is adeno-virus based (source: https://www.unicef.org/press-releases/arrival-first-wave-consignment-covax-covid-19-vaccine-doses-state-palestine). This is of course very explosive, but I wouldn't be surprised if the ill chldren are overwhelmingly from the Palestine territories.

Boccaccio

Crisis averted...

[(Anonymous)]

I was really thought something significant would happen within the last 48 hours. Silly thinking I know but it really had the feeling for a great and sudden change and now that the days have passed uneventful, I’m glad if not thankful. There’s nothing more terrifying to the human mind than a great and sudden change. But now instead of resolution, I just have a subtle and constant dread. It’s a notion that’s deep burning, especially here in New York City. Who knew that choosing bodily autonomy would be 'the' revolutionary act of the 21st century. At this point, being ostracized from work is making me furious. Naomi Wolf called this return to 'normal' best by labeling those who can bask in American liberties again as 'quislings', traders to the very notions that made this place great. I, like so many others, want justice but I doubt with just about every fiber of my being that we will ever see it. Even with the river of lies coming out with Pfizer docu dumps, too many people are too invested to really doubt what they did. For now it's just all fear all the time. On a zoom meeting yesterday, coworkers were discussing an upcoming event… talk of we don’t take temperatures anymore, no masks, no vax cards to show and the follow up conversation of climbing cases… ‘should we take temperatures to make everyone feel better, to feel safe?’ It was dismissed out of hand but the reaction was telling to how close we are to falling back into that particular type of madness. On top of that, my better half wants a vacation. My mind reels at how surreal such an endeavor would be. I want to leave NYC and never come back. Permanent vacation in a place where my kids won’t be subject to medical tyranny, where people value the free breath of children. I’m not even sure said place exists… or if it does, it doesn’t seem to be anywhere near New York state… but leaving here is a pipe dream, still hustling as best I can, while I can. I'm run down... I get the ‘do I have it’ preoccupation. This programmed fear would seem silly if the steaks around it weren’t so high. With all this time passed and far fewer friends and family to speak with, this place is a solace, a friend at the bar for someone who doesn’t even drink anymore.

Re: Crisis averted...

[(Anonymous)]

"I want to leave NYC and never come back."

Is it possible this is the source of the dread?
I know how stressful it can be when I knew I needed to make a change but I was scared.
My advice is to think and plan this change for real. Spend an hour everyday looking for a place, a job etc. And don't be afraid to go "crazy".
For example, can you buy a bus and live in it? What about a sailboat? Change your job etc.
If you are worried the impact on your kids, just think the damage the public schools are doing right now. Read all the stories of dismayed parents that found out their kids are woke revolutionaries ready to burn the books and hating their families.
Also be aware that most people never change (they are "comfortably numb") so chances are you won't do it either. If that's the case, it's fine but at least don't believe your own excuses - honesty will help you long term.

[(Anonymous)]

For those who need a LoL, a pricelessly good Pfizer cartoon:

https://annecantstandit.substack.com/p/facelift?r=7f8gy&s=w&utm_campaign=post&utm_medium=web

I sense things grinding to a turn.

-- Grumbling Grumbledore

Cancer chart

[(Anonymous)]

A cancer reporting chart that needs to be seen.

https://mobile.twitter.com/JesslovesMJK/status/1520450348263030786

Re: Cancer chart

[open_space]

That's seriously concerning but it probably has to be taken into account that VAERS is much more popular these days to normalize the data.