Open (More or Less) Post on Covid 30

[ecosophia]

The Russo-Ukrainian war has grabbed the media spotlight away from Covid over the last week -- or perhaps it might be better to say that the corporate media has pivoted on a dime away from their collapsing Covid narratives and fixated on something else.  Despite this, the semi-open posts  I've hosted here on the Covid-19 narrative, the inadequately tested experimental drugs for it, and the whole cascading mess surrounding them have continued to field a very high number of comments -- to understate the matter considerably! -- so I'm opening yet another space for discussion. The rules are the same as before: 

1. If you plan on parroting the party line of the medical industry and its paid shills, please go away. This is a place for people to talk openly, honestly, and freely about their concerns that the party line in question is dangerously flawed and that actions being pushed by the medical industry et al. are causing injury and death. It is not a place for you to dismiss those concerns. Anyone who wants to hear the official story and the arguments in favor of it can find those on hundreds of thousands of websites.

2. If you plan on insisting that the current situation is the result of a deliberate plot by some villainous group of people or other, please go away. There are tens of thousands of websites currently rehashing various conspiracy theories about the Covid-19 outbreak and the vaccines. This is not one of them. What we're exploring is the likelihood that what's going on is the product of the same arrogance, incompetence, and corruption that the medical industry and its tame politicians have displayed so abundantly in recent decades. That possibility deserves a space of its own for discussion, and that's what we're doing here. 
 
3. If you plan on using rent-a-troll derailing or disruption tactics, please go away. I'm quite familiar with the standard tactics used by troll farms to disrupt online forums, and am ready, willing, and able -- and in fact quite eager -- to ban people permanently for engaging in them here. Oh, and I also lurk on other Covid-19 vaccine skeptic blogs, so I'm likely to notice when the same posts are showing up on more than one venue. 

4. If you don't believe in treating people with common courtesy, please go away. I have, and enforce, a strict courtesy policy on my blogs and online forums, and this is no exception. The sort of schoolyard bullying that takes place on so many other internet forums will get you deleted and banned here. No, I don't care if you disagree with that: my journal, my rules. 

With that said, as government officials scramble around like a cat trying to bury its droppings on a vinyl floor, and the unvaccinated wonder why so many vaccinated people have oddly puffy faces these days, the floor is open for discussion.  

Comments

Gratitude

[(Anonymous)]

Good news: as of today the Canadian province of Ontario has dropped the requirement for vax passes at restaurants and similar businesses. So I am going out to dine and celebrate with friends this evening.

Thank you for continuing to host these open forums, and for all your work with Magic Mondays, too. The chance to speak and listen about these topics honestly, and, if needed, anonymously, has been one of my anchors during the last few months.

-Dylan

Re: Gratitude

[(Anonymous)]

I hope you all have a wonderful time together!!!!

Must have covid shot for Catholic Services

[stcathalexandria]

So much for my plan of celebrating communion on Ash Wednesday. I called the nuns at the convent I used to go to. They now require a covid vixen to do to go to mass. Also a mask. Never in my wildest dreams did I imagine the church turning away people.

Also got an email today that the National Archives in DC is open again for research visitors, but vixens required to do so, or a PCR test which now run $150 near me if I can get one. Still running out of those.

Trying to keep from breaking down in tears. Nevermind, just going to do it. I am so tired of living like this.

Re: Must have covid shot for Catholic Services

[ecosophia]

I hope to the gods you don't mean you're going to get the vaccine. Please take some time to pray and reflect before you do something that you may well regret for the rest of a potentially greatly shortened life.

I'm very sorry to hear that the convent in question has turned its back on Christian values and become yet one more sell-out to the corporate state. That said, there have got to be alternatives.

[(Anonymous)]

"Oddly puffy faces" - is this just to say that vaccinated people are sick so often, or is this some new type of symptom?

[ecosophia]

I've been hearing references to this specific symptom more and more often -- and I've seen it in some vaccinated people I know. I have no idea what it means, but it's not a good sign.

Sincerest Thanks

[(Anonymous)]

I have realized what it is that I so value here: open minds and a willingness to consider alternative points of view.

You have commented before about the dangers of binary thinking, considering only 2 possibilities. I am afraid many people have regressed further to accepting only a single point of view. For example, we are seeing media attention re-focusing from the "One True COVID Narrative"TM to the "One True Ukraine Narrative"TM.

Perhaps it is this audience's history recognizing the occult, alternative medicine, non-mainstream lifestyles, etc that leaves us in what has become a minority of people willing to remember that every coin has 2 sides and every story at least two angles.

Thank you, JMG, and thank you everyone else!

Re: Sincerest Thanks

[ecosophia]

You're most welcome. The worst form of binary thinking is the kind that divides everything into A and not-A -- either you buy into the complete package of officially acceptable opinions, that is, or you belong to an Other that includes everything outside those opinions. Think of the way that anybody who doesn't agree with woke ideology is called a Nazi and you have a fine example of this.

Gratitude, humility and mercy

[(Anonymous)]

What with so many vaccinated dancing to the rhythms of the drums of war, outlets such as NPR glorifying and romanticizing Ukrainians fighting street to street, and so clearly the same tactics that were used against Trump, the unvaccinated and Covid generally, are now used to such great effect on Russia and Putin, I have begun to wonder if the mass formation psychosis being formed is a collective death wish.

I dwell in gratitude, humility and mercy, to protect myself and and be a signal.

WHD

Re: Gratitude, humility and mercy

[(Anonymous)]

The best advice I can give is to step out of the way of the herd of lemmings. They’re on about their own business, if that business leads over a cliff often the best you can do is shout “look out for that cliff!” If they still go over, you at least tried.

The post‘s image

[(Anonymous)]

JMG,

The image… a more positive outlook, after the past few weeks? Or a sunset and farewell?

Milkyway

Re: The post‘s image

[ecosophia]

A more positive outlook. We ain't through this yet, but at least for the moment, the worst pressures seem to be over.

COVID&Ukraine

[(Anonymous)]

https://www.who.int/news/item/27-02-2022-dangerously-low-medical-oxygen-supplies-in-ukraine-due-to-crisis-warn-who-director-general-and-who-regional-director-for-europe

Oxygen shortages:

'The majority of hospitals could exhaust their oxygen reserves within the next 24 hours.'

Patients in danger:

"COVID-19 (which number 1700 in hospital now)"

-A Spaniard.

4th Grade Stroke

[methylethyl]

My niece had a classmate out of school this week because the kid had a stroke. My niece is ten.

I can't recall having that happen to a classmate or even another student, my entire school career. How common was this, before 2021?

Re: 4th Grade Stroke

[(Anonymous)]

I'm 60 years old and the youngest person I ever knew to have a stroke was 35.

[(Anonymous)]

Other people have mentioned the positive outlook in recent events.

I think this opening up and dropping mandates is coordinated, like so much of the scamdemic.
The question is: to what end?

- Is this simply the authorities reacting to pushback? But even countries that were completely nazified seem to be stepping back.

- Given that the push for foxes continues, could this be just another ratcheting step in their torture? Let people relax, take down their guard then attack them again from a different angle. Note that Pfizer is creating an mRNA fox for AIDS at the same time that a lot of MSM pushes stories of new scary AIDS variants

- We know that the foxed are variant factories so opening up would encourage more variants and more fear and death.

- Other things can be used to achieve their goals, for example a certain war...

Of course people are free to believe the official reason:
- Foxes worked, everybody is happy as long as they stay up to date so things can go back to normal (except for international travel and passports used for banking and so on).

[(Anonymous)]

I think it's a ratchet up than release when people get too mad (and poll numbers get to low), bide time, and then try again.

The pharmaceutical and tech companies and the online retailers all LOVED the covid narrative and the restrictions/mandates that came with it - it shoveled taxpayer cash into their coffers (and, in the case of online retailers, helped put a lot of the competition out of business). Petty authoritarian wanna-be tyrants in positions of power also loved the emergency powers granted by the narrative. None of them want to give up any of that.

But more and more people are sick of it, more people are starting to suspect they've been lied to, most politicians' polling numbers are in the toilet, and the optics of all the protests (and Canadian truckers in particular) were starting to look bad. So a collective decisions was reached - based on shared perceptions if not actual coordinated message control, although I think there was some of the latter as well - that now is the time to step back, release some of the pressure, let the peasants have some of their "freedoms" back, and plan for the next move.

In the US, I suspect the Democrats are looking at the polling numbers, looking at the number of months left until the November midterms, doing some quick match, and thinking it's time to declare a temporary victory over covid and change the narrative back to RussiaRussiaRussia, a tactic used during the Trump years.

Covid hasn't gone away, it's just been shelved for the time being. I suspect that here in the US as least, we may hear more about covid, and be subjected to increased medical tyranny, starting on the Wednesday next after the first Monday in the month of November.

[queenjane]

Dear JMG,

Thank you for continuing to host these discussions despite the recent shift in narrative. I found them during an isolated period of my life when I was beginning to seriously question whether I would ever be able to trust my own sanity again. This space has been a light in the darkness, and for that I'm grateful!

[(Anonymous)]

ditto for me. If I wanted to get maudlin I'd put on that Hank Williams song about being lonesome.
The weird thing is, I'm not sure I want to go back to the milieu I 'swam' in, so to speak.
Some friendships have vanished........I think I played a part in that.......I'm obstreperous at root,
and the things I used to do (thinking cultural events) I'm not sure I want to do them anymore.

Felt solidarity at the demonstrations. This space has been a god(s)send. Thank you JMG.

BA.2 latest

[escorcher]

Hi all,

Been an interesting few days in Omicron BA 2 land. One rodent preprint study announced it looks more pathogenic than BA.1 and more like earlier versions:

https://www.biorxiv.org/content/10.1101/2022.02.14.480335v1

But that has been quite quickly followed by another rodent preprint study that strongly suggests BA.2 is not more pathogenic than BA.1:

https://www.news-medical.net/news/20220228/Study-finds-Omicron-sublineage-BA2-is-less-pathogenic-in-rodent-models-than-prior-SARS-CoV-2-variants.aspx

Why the difference?

Can't be sure, but turns out the first study used a chimeric virus that was main body 'backbone' of Wuhan strain with BA.2 spikes created for it. Second one was virus nurtured from the 'wild' BA 2 virus.

Details, eh? They seem to make a difference and that difference can be marked (that one for Mark L). Possibly there's more to viral life than spike?

Re: BA.2 latest

[escorcher]

Concluding Headlines

Omicron BA.2 likely not any more dangerous than BA.1, which in turn is a lot less (immediately) concerning than Delta.

Absolutely question how all these experiments are put together. I didn't to start with.

BA.2 is currently set to take over everywhere in a landscape of slowly falling worldwide infections.

Thank you

[(Anonymous)]

Thank you JMG so much for hosting this forum, having this discussion, and moderating. I appreciate the support it’s given me in just helping me feel like I’m not completely alien, and not so isolated, as I work through what this has all meant for me as well as our society.

Covid has actually provided me an opportunity for lots of positives. The people in my life who I’ve had some struggles with, but couldn’t quite put my finger on the problem, have come out in the open for who they are. They are the ones who have been trying to control everyone around them. And they had no qualms about judging me and excluding me. I feel great about having moved them to the periphery of my life.

As an update to my work situation: I stopped working as a physical therapist in sept due to mandates and the negative environment of blaming the unvaccinated for cases. So I was officially ‘on sabbatical.’ The rehab company I work for recently reached out to ask how I would like to move forward, so I filled out a religious exemption. Thanks to someone on this forum I learned about the Fraternitas Rosae Crucis School of Soul Science which I used on my exemption form and it was promptly granted!

So I feel thankful all around. During my few months off of work I’ve had time to reflect, and am not sure how much time I actually want to spend in a nursing home. But I am happy that it’s an option, even if it’s only temporary. (As nursing homes likely won’t survive as they currently exist much longer if you ask me).

And thank you to all here for providing this community and support for all.

Tamar

Re: Thank you

[(Anonymous)]

Howdy Tamar,

Thank you so much for this update, and warmest congratulations. I remember your earlier posts-- I am so very happy for you that you got through this, and then back to your work on your terms.

Cetiosaurus

Leg Pains in the Foxed

[(Anonymous)]

It occurred to me that shooting leg pains in the leg may be another sign of physiological distress in the foxxed.

The whistle-blowing embalmers said they were pulling cords of waxy stuff out of the long veins of the legs. The texture was compared to uncooked calamari. One of them commented that "you can't live long with that."

Indeed. A person who is much loved in my life has been hobbling around and complaining of shooting pains in the left leg. Today, I realized that I watched two of my dear friends do exactly the same thing before their deaths. Nobody checked for it after death and before cremation because it is normal for people to go from functioning to miserable to dead in under two months.

Anyway, possibly a very bad sign. I will gently check that the person's affairs are in order. Mentioning it would not be a kindness, and if this person is on the same timeline, the window to act is past.

Besides, it might just be a pinched nerve.

[tamanous2020]

Thanks for hosting as always JMG.

It's disconcerting to see how quickly the new Anti Russian narrative comes in as the Covid Hysteria was crashing against the shore of reality. Such is life in a declining empire with an increasingly out of touch elite. There's always an enemy, nature or human, to blame all the problems on.

Right now, my thoughts have been tending towards the possibility of mass death that dreams and divinations of the community have been intuiting as of late.

The basics we have currently are:

1. Covid Vaccine MyoCarditis and AutoImmunity Issues- Already being observed across working age populations in the western world. Even small increases to mortality rates will result in large numbers over any appreciable timeframe.

2. Covid Vaccine ADE- Still to be determined and the first indication will be later this year as respiratory virus season hits in the late fall of 2022.

3. Famine and War casualities as a result of spiraling issues from the Ukraine/Russia conflict- Europe needs Russia for both its energy needs and for its food production. Noticeabley, the western sanctions excluded those categories, but the Russian may play their own sanction game and sell to China and the rest of Asia instead. Doing so would darken Europe for the winter and make for a hungry 2023. (Not to mention how this needless conflict will effect food prices for the billions of people in 3rd world countries or mess with worldwide supply chains).

Of course, there's no reason say why #1 or #2 couldn't combine with #3 for an extra one two punch.

I'm curious to see what additional info JMGs Mundane Astrology turns up regarding the future. I believe we have quite a few outer planets changing signs in the next few years and there is a partial solar eclipse coming up in Taurus soon as well.

Tamanous

[sinners4diseasecontrol]

I think (hope) that by going via China and Iran, Russia can supply wheat to a lot of the Asian and perhaps African 3rd world.

[scotlyn]

Just in case the wind goes out of the sails for these Covid posts, I want to say how much I have appreciated them - both their availability, and their careful moderation have meant a great deal!

Today is the end of public mask mandates in Ireland (other than on transport). It was a sunny day, after a couple of weeks of storms, so - perhaps a reprieve, of some sort. Plenty of more storms out there, but I am enjoying this sunny day.

[thinking_turtle]

In the Netherlands mask mandates are limited to transport and schools.

Shoppers in the supermarket went from almost fully masked to almost no masks at the 25th of February, when the mandate was dropped. Public transport is almost fully masked, although many people wear the mask over their mouth and not their nose.

Intersting

[(Anonymous)]

I had a video pop up in my feed of a vedic astrologer predicting something coof related effecting highly vaccinated nations in April. I have not checked much on his other work but the timing matches up significantly with some of our concerns here. I'll try to link to said video.

Re: Intersting

[(Anonymous)]

Would you mind mentioning which vedic astrologer and/or sharing the link? I am into vedic astrology.

Ron M

.epub and single .html file of open threads and hypothesis to date, bonus: gets from previous thread

[(Anonymous)]

Here is the updated .epub (open ebook format) of the hypothesis and all open threads and comments
https://mega.nz/file/8JYV3QBT#ydwISn-_JZGsa3KCfNlMPZSmCKWEFgTYMJJnsvN0D9c

A single .html(archived as zip) file that has all the posts and comments, you can just decompress it and open it in your browser and you can search pretty fast in all the comment made in this open thread
https://mega.nz/file/8dBxzC4B#AkuddhK1eMAHK8xtCquBd7Es_19uU0UVAuO26PJ61ow


four 3 digits gets in the previous open post:
https://ecosophia.dreamwidth.org/170530.html?thread=26853666#cmt26853666
https://ecosophia.dreamwidth.org/170530.html?thread=26885666#cmt26885666
https://ecosophia.dreamwidth.org/170530.html?thread=26917666#cmt26917666
https://ecosophia.dreamwidth.org/170530.html?thread=26949666#cmt26949666

Re: .epub and single .html file of open threads and hypothesis to date, bonus: gets from previous th

[(Anonymous)]

Thanks again for this !

Sapienter Si Sincere

Milgram Experiment and Scientism

[(Anonymous)]

I would like to draw attention to a study I came across, "Nothing by Mere Authority: Evidence that in an Experimental Analogue of the Milgram Paradigm Participants are Motivated not by Orders but by Appeals to Science" (emphasis mine).

The title really says it all. Haslam et al. (2014) analyzed the various forms of commands used to get participants to comply with an unethical order by an authority in the Milgram Experiment. They found that direct orders were the least effective, and that appeals to "For Science!" were the most effective.

This is huge because I've been told on occasion that the various Coronatarian measures are nothing like the Milgram Experiment because they aren't demanding blind obedience to authority, they are just requiring people follow the science (their argument, not mine). Well, obedience to a scientific authority is actually the classic example of Milgram obedience, and considering the dramatic failure of several narratives that were previously beyond question, that obedience is looking pretty blind indeed.

If you are being told that you must do whatever the people in lab coats say, it may help you to link this study.

Haslam, S. A., Reicher, S. D. and Birney, M. E. (2014). Nothing by mere authority: Evidence that in an experimental analogue of the Milgram paradigm participants are motivated not by orders but by appeals to science. Journal of Social Issues, 70, 473-488. https://doi.org/10.1111/josi.12072

Re: Milgram Experiment and Scientism

[(Anonymous)]

This makes a lot of sense.

[ari_ormstunga]

I've had a few positive indicators of the Narrative's continuing Collapse. My lady friend has had to take a weekly Covid test for perhaps the last six months or so. She recently got a new supervisor, who apparently wasn't told that he would be getting the results of his unvaccinated staff's Covid tests each week.

He asked her why she had sent him a picture of her negative test. When he found out she wasn't vaxxed, he became angry and abrasive about it, asking why he had gotten a vaccine to protect her but she wouldn't do the same for him.

She told him that the vaccines don't prevent you from getting sick or from transmitting the virus. I would have left it there but she went on to tell him about clots, heart attacks, and the side effects the media is covering up. He went silent.

Today, a company wide email went out at her work stating that, while the company encouraged its employees to get the vaccine, they would no longer require any masks or testing for unvaxxed employees.

Oddly, I ended up having a similar conversation at work the same day she confronted her supervisor. She was actually more assertive in her situation than I was, which is funny because I read the Open Posts and other covid vaccine skeptic sites daily and she tries to avoid the whole topic. She's had it worse than me through all of this because her company is led by a bunch of Narrative clingers, while mine falls firmly on the skeptic side of the equation.

[(Anonymous)]

Isn't it amazing how they have such strong emotions (anger, outrage) right off the bat and then they reveal that they've done no real research on the subject? Where does that emotion come from? It's clearly not genuinely related to the outrage of someone not choosing to get vaccinated, it's probably some repressed anger that would make them seem UnWoke if they expressed it in a genuine context. Covid is their vent for all of their bad emotions, and skeptics are the approved victims.

Then they find out they've been played and it's serious, so rationality wins out. It has to, because now there's a real problem to solve and we all know emotions don't solve problems.

[(Anonymous)]

As others have mentioned, it seems the most rabid covidians and now amongst the most rabidly concerned about Russia and Putin. At this stage I'm giving up on them. As in, I'm accepting that I must tolerate their opinions as a form of religious diversity and it is best not to discuss any of their particularly belief-heavy subjects. The downside of this is it makes any sort of dialogue on potential government policy or actions nigh impossible, almost like we are living in a sort of caliphate where church and state are merged. I've accepted that I'm a religious minority and it's best to keep my head down and go about my business.

[(Anonymous)]

I find the covidians I know are just parroting what they've been hearing on CNN and such. They're pretty much done talking about covid, although many still wear their masks at every opportunity. They have no concept of the geopolitics or the history-- nothing of the larger picture and economic realities.

Some links

[(Anonymous)]

Sharing a few links from a blog I have discovered very recently:

The first is a bit of Sci-Fi, as it were, but it made me think:
https://www.rintrah.nl/plan-b-a-national-address-to-the-population/

The second is a more serious piece, but I am not a doctor, nor a biologist and so I cannot really judge its scientific reliability - I would like to hear what (qualified) people think:
https://www.rintrah.nl/important-when-you-get-vaccinated-you-lose-your-natural-immunity/

Then a third, posted yesterday, which is on the Ukraine and resources depletion, so not Covid-related, but I wanted to share it because it's a gem:
https://www.rintrah.nl/the-collapse-of-the-they-them-empire-western-elites-have-overplayed-their-hand/

(To be honest, I wouldn't be surprised if the author is one of your readers, JMG.)

Re: Some links

[ecosophia]

He is indeed. He's posted on these open threads tolerably often.

Update:

[(Anonymous)]

The past couple weeks have been okay, with coughing happening less and less – but still happening. Still much like the post-pneumonia stuff I suffered from in 1996.

Things are beginning to loosen up in Chicago as well. There are places still demanding proof of Vaccinations and/or masks, but those places are fewer. (NW Indiana has always been much looser with their requirements – outside of Medical facilities, where I can see the logic for masks.)

– Donald Hargraves

[(Anonymous)]

I have also noticed the oddly puffy faces, and I've seen the same thing in alcoholics with diseased livers. I've also heard the spike protein collects in the lymph nodes which causes them to swell with fluid. Vaccinated friends have been complaining of splitting headaches and pressure almost daily. I think every vaxxed person should schedule an MRI.

[(Anonymous)]

Liver rings a bell.

There was a recent study showing the mRNA ending up in the liver for the most part and getting incorporated into it.

"Our study shows that BNT162b2 can be reverse transcribed to DNA in liver cell line Huh7, and this may give rise to the concern if BNT162b2-derived DNA may be integrated into the host genome and affect the integrity of genomic DNA, which may potentially mediate genotoxic effects,” the authors warn.

https://www.covidstrategies.org/new-study-mrna-vaccines-alter-human-liver-dna-in-vitro/

[(Anonymous)]

All, I've been mulling over something which has left me very troubled: in astrological terms, the Covid-19 panic seems to have a lot of the hallmarks of a Plutonian phenomena, which raises the question of where those energies are going: will it fizzle out, or persist by attaching itself to a different planet?

It seems to be fizzling out, but the vaccines could easily attach to the planet of technology, experimentation, and science. What bothers me about this is that that means Uranus, which is currently quite nastily afflicted, and will remain so for years as it covers Taurus.

Uranus is also, among other things, the planet of mistakes and self inflicted disasters, so if the vaccines end up linking to Uranus, then we're in for a major problem. My question then becomes, is there a way to tell if the vaccines are following a Plutonian path (and will just quietly fizzle out, having accomplished nothing of note) or a Uranian one (where they turn into a major self inflicted disaster, likely with little warning) before the massive health crisis hits?

[ecosophia]

Covid shows all the signs of being a Pluto phenomenon, but the vaccines do not. If I had to assign a planet to them, I'd call them Neptunian -- think of the way they've been surrounded all along by a haze of misinformation, fuzzy thinking, utopian dreams, and madness.

[(Anonymous)]

Many thanks, JMG! I'd like to echo the others who have thanked you for hosting these open posts. I'd also like to thank the community for their informed commentary, encouragement, and just for being there.

I have a weird mixture of relief, as the pressure to get vaccinated seems to ebb, and foreboding, due to the signs of vaccine side effects. I pray that our worst fears won't come to pass.