Open (More or Less) Post on Covid 24

[ecosophia]

The semi-open posts  I've hosted here on the Covid-19 narrative, the inadequately tested experimental drugs for it, and the whole cascading mess surrounding them have continued to field a very high number of comments, so I'm opening yet another space for discussion. The rules are the same as before: 

1. If you plan on parroting the party line of the medical industry and its paid shills, please go away. This is a place for people to talk openly, honestly, and freely about their concerns that the party line in question is dangerously flawed and that actions being pushed by the medical industry et al. are causing injury and death. It is not a place for you to dismiss those concerns. Anyone who wants to hear the official story and the arguments in favor of it can find those on hundreds of thousands of websites.

2. If you plan on insisting that the current situation is the result of a deliberate plot by some villainous group of people or other, please go away. There are tens of thousands of websites currently rehashing various conspiracy theories about the Covid-19 outbreak and the vaccines. This is not one of them. What we're exploring is the likelihood that what's going on is the product of the same arrogance, incompetence, and corruption that the medical industry and its tame politicians have displayed so abundantly in recent decades. That possibility deserves a space of its own for discussion, and that's what we're doing here. 
 
3. If you plan on using rent-a-troll derailing or disruption tactics, please go away. I'm quite familiar with the standard tactics used by troll farms to disrupt online forums, and am ready, willing, and able -- and in fact quite eager -- to ban people permanently for engaging in them here. Oh, and I also lurk on other Covid-19 vaccine skeptic blogs, so I'm likely to notice when the same posts are showing up on more than one venue. 

4. If you don't believe in treating people with common courtesy, please go away. I have, and enforce, a strict courtesy policy on my blogs and online forums, and this is no exception. The sort of schoolyard bullying that takes place on so many other internet forums will get you deleted and banned here. No, I don't care if you disagree with that: my journal, my rules. 

With that said, as more and more vaccinated people call in sick with the disease the vaccine was supposed to keep them from getting, and the euphemism "died suddenly" sounds like a repeated drumbeat in the media, the floor is open for discussion.

Comments

[tamanous2020]

My work will be requiring vaccines regardless of all the vaccinated coming down with the coof, so I'll be looking for a religious exemption. A big thanks to stcathalexandria and open_space for the links to the rosicrucian groups in last weeks thread.

Have either of the druid orgs, OBOD or ADOA, had any organizational stances in support of vaccine exemptions as well?

[(Anonymous)]

I'm not a lawyer, but a lawyer that I heard on the Peak Prosperity podcast recently had something interesting to say about religious exemptions. It seems that the law and accepted practice in the USA (before covid, anyway) is that employers cannot inquire into the specifics or evaluate the validity of your religious convictions. It should be enough for you to simply say "I refuse because of my religious beliefs." If they don't accept that, you have grounds to sue them, and precedent is in your favor.

On the other hand, losing your job and fighting it in court is not fun, so naturally you'd want to persuade them the first time.

[(Anonymous)]

Peggy at www.thehealthyamerican.org has resources (including many videos) about how to get a religious exemption. She also offers paid services, however, I don't have any experience with those.

PS https://www.thehealthyamerican.org/exemption-badge

Good luck!

[(Anonymous)]

One of the beauties of the AODA is that you can make HR's work really hard, by pointing out that it is part of the curriculum for the AODA to grapple with places where you disagree with their assigned material: this is proof of the importance of the individual's decision, and therefore you need an exemption to parts of the religious exemption paperwork. My work's HR wound up dealing with a lot of paperwork to try to figure that one out.

[(Anonymous)]

People aren't computers, you give them logical paradoxes and they resolve them by just getting mad at you.

[ecosophia]

No, because Druidry has a longstanding commitment to letting people make up their own minds about such things -- and just about everything else, too. That's inconvenient in a society that assumes that religions must have dogmas, but we just have to put up with it.

[tamanous2020]

While not useful for my ends, I'm glad to hear that they did not get caught up in the same pro vaccine push as other groups like the buddhists, neopagans and even catholics/orthodox out here.

[scotlyn]

It strikes me that a person (especially an atheist, but also any sort of non-dogmatic religious observer, such as a druid) could simply claim a belief "of conscience" in the ethical correctness of the Nuremberg Code - that a person should not be experimented on under threat or duress (eg threat to job security and income). And that to succumb to such threat or duress, and allow oneself to be experimented upon as a response to that threat or duress, would be as egregious a violation of that code, as to enforce such threats or duress.

[hearthspirit]

I heartily agree. But if you think it's hard convincing people you genuinely believe in gods, try convincing them you genuinely believe in the innate human capacity for ethics... ;-)