Open (More Or Less) Post On Covid 16
Nov. 23rd, 2021 12:40 pm![[personal profile]](https://www.dreamwidth.org/img/silk/identity/user.png)

1. If you plan on parroting the party line of the medical industry and its paid shills, please go away. This is a place for people to talk openly, honestly, and freely about their concerns that the party line in question is dangerously flawed and that actions being pushed by the medical industry et al. are causing injury and death. It is not a place for you to dismiss those concerns. Anyone who wants to hear the official story and the arguments in favor of it can find those on hundreds of thousands of websites.
2. If you plan on insisting that the current situation is the result of a deliberate plot by some villainous group of people or other, please go away. There are tens of thousands of websites currently rehashing various conspiracy theories about the Covid-19 outbreak and the vaccines. This is not one of them. What we're exploring is the likelihood that what's going on is the product of the same arrogance, incompetence, and corruption that the medical industry and its tame politicians have displayed so abundantly in recent decades. That possibility deserves a space of its own for discussion, and that's what we're doing here.
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With that said, as the mass media insists that it's perfectly normal for pro athletes to drop dead of heart attacks at sixty times the usual rate, and search engines turn up a steadily increasing series of hits for the search string "died suddenly," the floor is open for discussion.
Re: Red Death scenario
Date: 2021-11-29 09:28 pm (UTC)You're both really on this so a final question. Are there ways to keep this virus from getting through or past the respiratory tract and avoiding the whole blood vessel problem? I say this noting injected vaccines are obviously not any kind of solution to enable this and understand it is probably really hard to do unless previously infected and have good IgA antibodies about. Also guessing you don't want to have bad periodontal disease or a susceptibility to nosebleeds. :-/
Re: Red Death scenario
Date: 2021-11-29 10:19 pm (UTC)Probably, but I have no real idea what these might be. I would imagine that having a strong innate immune system with plenty of CD8+ killer T cells and NK (natural killer) cells in circulation would be helpful, as I'm sure that at least a few viruses will always make it into the bloodstream if they are in the business of infecting and lysing respiratory cells. Also I would expect that defeating the virus in the upper respiratory tract and avoiding lung infection would be critical, as the upper respiratory tract has quite a few layers of cells between the airway and the bloodstream while the alveolar wall in the lungs is only two cells thick (alveolar wall and capillary wall) with airspace on one side and blood on the other to facilitate rapid gas exchange.
Mark L
Re: Red Death scenario
Date: 2021-11-30 12:11 am (UTC)Beyond that, I'd think just strengthening your immune system as much as possible, like Mark says, would be your best bet. Flushing out the lungs with plenty of fresh air will minimise the virus from building up, and vitamin C, vitamin D/sunshine and small quantities of zinc supplements are rarely a bad idea unless specifically contraindicated by medical advice. I've seen comments on using mouthwash two or three times a day as well, which is probably a sensible idea, even if only from an oral hygiene perspective, just so long as it doesn't damage the cells there in the process (something strong like TCP three times daily would probably make things worse, though equally no one would be getting anywhere near someone smelling that strongly of TCP!)
In terms of preventing the virus from 'going vascular' which I think was your question though, that would probably be difficult - the alveoli of the lungs have, by design, a huge surface area, so it's a lot of territory to protect. Far easier to stop the virus further up, in the trachea, nostrils and mouth.
Ironically, masks *do* work, but only proper, close fitting respirators and HEPA style filters, down to sub-micron level filtration, and they are expensive and need frequent replacement. Plus, from experience in around May last year, people in the supermarket will look at you like you are insane, as it gives off quite the 'prepper' vibe. Thankfully it's quite difficult to be recognised whilst wearing one though. Anyway, a cloth/paper rag over the mouth and nose will just keep viruses, bacteria and CO2 in, not out. You don't see a lot of cloth masks in biohazard labs is all I'm saying.
WolfDog
Re: Red Death scenario
Date: 2021-11-30 08:58 am (UTC)I am currently on a daily regimen of D, C, Zinc and Quercetin. I add the odd vitamin B as well, and maybe a multivitamin from time to time.
There was a time where I would have scoffed at vitamins and so forth, but hey, I guess it can't hurt to add them to my diet and get some exercise too.
Hopefully it works.
Good luck everyone.
Re: Red Death scenario
Date: 2021-11-30 12:43 am (UTC)Interesting if not all remaining a little concerning.
Thanks again for your insight.
This is well worth a watch by the way. Pretty up to date and covers much on this thread. Geert VB plus others from 11/27:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u0ad28_arr0
Re: Red Death scenario
Date: 2021-11-30 09:04 am (UTC)Also, the work of a Spanish nursing home that used conventional anti-histamines to prevent severe outcomes in all their old folks comes to mind. (Re: hay fever sprays).
I‘d say read up on the harmless, affordable early treatment and prophylaxis methods, and familiarize yourself with them. Load up on vitamin D, too.