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group hugIn last weeks semi-open post on the Covid situation, several people posted stories of things going right in the middle of the current mess. Some had seen unvaccinated people reaching out to support one another, some had succeeded in getting exemptions from vaccine mandates, some had quit or been fired and landed on their feet in new and better jobs, and so on. One reader also posted a link to a job board where companies that aren't requiring vaccinations are looking for people to hire. Amid all the increasingly grim news, those were welcome bursts of hope. I asked if my readers wanted a post specifically for such things, and the response was by and large positive. 

So here we are.  This is a place to post two kinds of comments. The first are your own upbeat and encouraging stories, to help other people get past the hopelessness that's being pushed so hard by the corporate media, and give all of us a place to recharge before plunging back into the fight. The second are resources -- job boards are a good example -- so those of us who reject vaccine mandates have some help dealing with the consequences of obeying our conscience and common sense instead of the mass media. 

Note #1: no content advocating the commission of any illegal act will be put through. Back in my misspent youth, the counterculture types I knew had a standard response when somebody tried that: "Anyone who advocates illegal activity in a public forum is either a moron or an agent provocateur.  Which are you?" 

Note #2:  I will be moderating this comment thread very strictly indeed. If I think you're trying to derail it from its intended purpose, your comment will be deleted. If you try that repeatedly you will be banned. If you think that's unfair, tough: my journal, my rules. 

With that, let the conversation begin!

Update: I've just had half a dozen people try to post things unrelated to the theme of this post -- some of it material that belongs on the open post, some of it material that's entirely off topic. This has put me in an irritable mood, and when I'm in an irritable mood I do things like banning people from my forums for life. Don't push it. 
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Date: 2021-10-19 05:53 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] planetpriya
All I really want to say is a hearty thank you. There is a binary world of out-there, hard to believe stories against and for the narrative. What we need is a sane ground where we can settle into ourselves, connect and act from a place of sanity.

I am very much for this weeks topic too and will search inside for some good news :-)
From: (Anonymous)
This free PDF manual was recommended by Dr Peter McCullough, who was its consulting editor.

A Guide to Home-Based Covid Treatment: Step-by-Step Doctors' Plan That Could Save Your Life
https://faculty.utrgv.edu/eleftherios.gkioulekas/zelenko/aaps-Guide-to-Home-Based-Covid-Treatment.pdf

I would suggest keeping a print-out on hand, and also bookmarking the PDF. In addition, you can download and save the PDF on your computer.

Thank you so much, John Michael Greer, for hosting this forum. May you and all who come here for help, and those they help, be blessed.

Cetiosaurus
From: (Anonymous)
nice! interesting comment from this is that hydrochloroquine is a much more effective zinc ionophore (= substance that helps zinc - which greatly slows viral replication - get into cells) than quercetin. quercetin itself is my covid good news story, as i've been taking it for a year now and it is healing an inflammatory condition i've suffered from since childhood, but on the HCQ front, if anyone finds it difficult to source, be aware that quinine (active ingredient into HCQ) comes from the bark of a tree species (funny how good things come from trees, quercetin is named for oaks, quercus spp.) called cinchona. last time i looked, you could still find cinchona bark powder for sale without difficulty, and drink that as a tea to help the zinc do its job.

The Forest Passage

Date: 2021-10-19 06:01 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] stcathalexandria
One of JMG commenters on the main blog recommended the book The Forest Passage by Ernst Jünger and its completely changed my perspective on our current situation. If you are following along on the Levi readings you'll also be tickled by the suggestions in the book. If you are looking to create a way forward for yourself and your immediate family, this is what you want to read to crack open your imagination. *It is not a how-to manual*, so if you are looking for quick fixes and solutions, just ignore it.

Available for free on Internet Archive https://archive.org/details/the-forest-passage/

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Date: 2021-10-19 06:44 pm (UTC)
From: [personal profile] tamanous2020
A great recommendation! His other works, Storm of Steel and Eumeswil, are helpful reads as well.

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Date: 2021-10-19 06:07 pm (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
Police chief in Italy goes off and tosses his helmet after police began using tear gas and water cannons against those protesting vaccine passes for nearly all workers.

“Take it off, show it to the whole world!” “How can we do all this to our people?”

https://twitter.com/MichaelPSenger/status/1450485979081445376

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Date: 2021-10-19 06:39 pm (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
Twitter all ready took this down

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Date: 2021-10-19 06:52 pm (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
New confirmed 7-day averaged cases per day are down 50% across the U.S. from the summer recent peak. Here in Florida they are down 90%. What is more, these declines are falling off roughly exponentially, which is indicative of a disease on its way to herd immunity.* When will we get there? In a matter of weeks for FL, a matter of months for the U.S., if nothing changes. Of course things do change, viruses mutate, and cooler weather is here which could change things even more. However, for the moment the trends are looking very good.

In Uttar Pradesh, a province of India, once Delta swept through their cases have stayed down. I have good hope we'll see something similar here.

On a more personal note, a brother and sister in law, both in their late 60's recently recovered without a hitch from covid, and a niece in her early 40's bounced back quickly too. All three had early treatment (some standard, some non-standard), none of them progressed past the bad cold level.

-Dr. Coyote

*footnote: The easiest math here is a logistic distribution, which can also be used to forecast resource depletion, e.g., peak oil, etc. Either way it's the same effect, an organism using up and running out of an available resource. In this case, susceptible humans.

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Date: 2021-10-19 06:55 pm (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
Many thanks JMG for setting up this post.

I live in Toronto, Ontario and am employed as a commercial cleaner - my employer sends me into other companies' premises to clean them. When Ontario was introducing new legislation to restrict the activities of non-jabbed people and enable employer jab mandates, I was concerned that if I was sent onto the premises of a firm that required their employees to be jabbed, I would be denied access. But my boss who owns the cleaning firm (she is jabbed), not wanting to lose a good cleaner, researched the new regulations and discovered the following:

"Exemptions: The proof of identification and proof of vaccination against COVID-19 requirements under O. Reg. 364/20 do not apply to: a) Workers, contractors, repair workers, delivery workers, students, volunteers, inspectors or others who are entering the business or organization for work purposes and not as patrons..."

So if you work in Ontario, and you work as a third party entering a place of business to perform a service, you are exempt from the regulation. Though I believe in practice the business still has the right to deny you entry regardless, if you refuse to confirm that you are jabbed (government and hospitals seem to do this). But in a "don't ask, don't tell" scenario you can legally ply your trade - my work has continued uninterrupted on this basis.

Hope this is helpful to someone here. All the best to all!

Greg

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Date: 2021-10-20 05:25 pm (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
Thank you, Greg, this is very helpful to know.
Good wishes to you.

herbal help

Date: 2021-10-19 07:03 pm (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
Stephen Buhner has published a book on herbal antiviral treatments, and herbal protocols for COVID, he has a new short article here for treating long COVID https://www.stephenharrodbuhner.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/10/treatment-of-mitochondrial-dysfunction.pdf. Purusing his writings on that same site will give you the COVID protocol and list of books he has published

Re: herbal help

Date: 2021-10-20 11:24 pm (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
We bought a copy of the new edition before it was released and received it in June? I think. I could be wrong on the date.

As herbalists of nearly 20 years, at least part-time professional for the last 11, we love it. It is expressly for "emerging and resistant viral infections," and there's a whole chapter on "COVID-19 and the Coronaviruses."

Of course, having a few cups a week of Tension Tamer tea will serve nicely too.

Grover

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Reprinting the Old Appropriate Tech Books

Date: 2021-10-19 07:17 pm (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
All this Covid stuff has got me rethinking resiliency and my relationship to it. So I was reading Green Wizardry this morning and I came to the part where JMG laments the fact that so much of the literature from the appropriate tech movement is literally near the end of its self life as it rots on used bookstore shelves.

And then I got thinking...

This is unnecessary. In a world with print on demand printers the thing necessary to bring back all those old books with expired copy rights is someone willing to transcribe them into digital form, do some editing, apply the appropriate paperwork with the patent office, design a cover, and a few other odds and ends. This work is doable. I self published a novel five years ago and am semi familiar with how the whole process works.

So I'll ask this, does anyone know of someone who is actively hunting down the books from the 70's and bringing them back into print while there is still time? If so, please share.

If not, is anyone interested in doing this? Someone actively working in the publishing industry right now would be ideal.

If no one is, and no one is interested, then I plan to begin this project after I complete my degree this upcoming July. Anyone with particular books or ideas they have in mind is welcome to email me at lifeofknowledge@protonmail.com.

- Stephen DeRose

- Stephen

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Date: 2021-10-19 08:44 pm (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
It's not books, but this website has many of the ideas and projects that fit in with appropriate tech:

https://www.lowtechmagazine.com/

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A drop of hope

Date: 2021-10-19 07:20 pm (UTC)
From: [personal profile] aekeenatia
Hope is very important, indeed – and my story is about a simple idea and a little hope in a sort of hopeless situation. Unfortunately, my grandfather has to spend these days in a hospice, but we had been able to visit him regularly and he often got better and talked with us – he recognized everybody from the family! Sometimes, he wanders in a different realm – his movements slow, but full of purpose; his eyes shining, but not looking anywhere particular; little, but beautiful smile on lips, very peaceful expression on his face. Recently, because of covid-19, the director of the hospice has closed it to visitors - nobody, not even the closest relatives can visit. I felt really desperate and angry and hopeless when I learned about this, but could not come with an idea how to go around the regulations. When I poured out my heart’s sorrow to a friend of mine, she came up with such a simple idea that I felt ashamed I did not come up with it myself: Write to him! So, I do. I wrote a postcard to him last week, and I am going to write a short letter this week and also enclose some photos for him. So he knows he is not forgotten! Very little thing, a drop in a desert, but… rain is made of drops...
Markéta

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Date: 2021-10-19 07:24 pm (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
Well, this looks like good news:

https://www.zerohedge.com/political/southwest-caves-ditches-plan-put-unvaccinated-staff-unpaid-leave-dec

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Date: 2021-10-19 08:11 pm (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
May we start a religious exemption thread? I see a lot of conflicting advice out there. Some say keep it short, some say to really emphasize your case. Others say keep it only spiritual, do not mention anything about side-effects, and lack of research.

I'm writing an exemption for my husband (a self-described praying atheist with Southern Baptist roots), who faces a December 8th deadline.

Those who have had their exemptions approved or know someone who has, how was the request stated?

Many thanks,

Centauri Joan

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Date: 2021-10-20 12:16 am (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
(Last week, I posted a couple times on last week’s semi-open Covid post, a short while after my application for a religious exemption was approved. Apologies for any repetition here.) I count myself more lucky than skilled, because, let’s face it-- making a judgment about another person’s description of their beliefs is a highly subjective thing.

It was useful for me to be familiar with the language and history of the Civil Rights Act, where the idea of a reasonable “accommodation” to someone’s sincere religious belief comes from. The courts have ruled earlier, in less crazy times, that it is not even necessary to belong to an organized religion to be able to ask for a religious accommodation I can’t find the reference, but the gist of it was that the belief had to be “equivalent” to a typical belief in God or a divine being. See if you can find Alison Morrow’s interview (on Rokfin) of a lawyer representing some Illinois firefighters opposed to mandatory vaccines. It’s gives a good overview of some of the issues.

The main reason I didn’t dwell on science is that I was claiming a religious objection. That gives certain protections that secular, scientific objections don’t. That doesn’t make science irrelevant, but in my opinion, the science must only inform, not be the basis for, a religious objection.

Some stream-of-consciousness ideas of possible pieces to include:
1) If the science he’s read seems to show that there is a risk to himself or others (for example, by acting as a vector for more virulent or more contagious variants), then that is an example of a moral/ethical/religious objection that is nonetheless informed by the science.
2) If your husband has prayed about this question, that is good to include in the request as explanation of how he concluded that he could not comply.
3)Many faiths, even the most hierarchical, like Catholicism, still give great weight to individual conscience and the need to follow it. That is consistent with all sorts of legally “religious” beliefs.

I wish you luck in this shameful nonsense. But as I posted last week, going through the process was still highly valuable to me, showing how important my connections to other people are, even those who don’t agree with me on the vaccines. Best of luck to you.

*Ochre Harebrained Curmudgeon*

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Date: 2021-10-19 08:17 pm (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
Long time lurker. This forum really has been a sanctuary of sanity and I echo a hearty thanks to JMG.

After yet another difficult and heated discussion with members of close family, I went looking for some of the proof that they demanded and came across this resource which provides real time meta-analysis of various treatments.

The link is for Ivermectin studies but it provides analysis of about 27 others too.
https://ivmmeta.com/

All the best, good luck all

WB

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Date: 2021-10-19 08:28 pm (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
Not necessarily for posting, or it can be:

Hmm. Maybe it's just me, but after a few comments I'm already having trouble distinguishing this post from the regular Covax one. I was looking forward to more of the kinds of things JMG listed as examples, i.e. personal stories, triumphs, and encouragements, and specific actionable resources for those of us who need them right now. Maybe a chance to connect with others who are going through this. Fwiw, if it turns out to be another thread made up mostly of links to news stories and reading recommendations, just ones that happen to be "good," I'll probably stick to the main Covid post, and I'm not sure why the that one wouldn't suffice.

Just my two cents! Thanks as always.

J.

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New Zealand Resources

Date: 2021-10-19 08:47 pm (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
For those here in New Zealand looking for support, Voices for Freedom are a good resource - https://voicesforfreedom.co.nz/

In particular the webinars on the legal issues (and your options) in regards compulsory testing and mandates are excellent.
From: (Anonymous)
I submitted my request for a religious exemption to my company last week and have not gotten the verdict back yet. I started the task annoyed and resentful that I had to do it, but writing it turned out to be the highlight of my overall pleasant week. The reason is, writing the description of my faith and how my life has demonstrated my faith was a revelation. I don't ever sit and reflect on my values, I just do stuff. But last week, writing it all down, I discovered that I really have lived my faith, as weird and unlikely as it is (my faith that it -- it is weird and unlikely and boy, have I lived it!). It made me feel good about myself. Regardless of the outcome of the request, I value the exercise and am very glad I did it. An unexpected gift from the mandate.

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Date: 2021-10-19 09:44 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] kimberlysteele
Saw this meme recently:



People are ready to collapse now and avoid the rush!

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Date: 2021-10-19 11:45 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] sinners4diseasecontrol
I love it! In fact, it looks a lot like a place I'm thinking of buying.

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Date: 2021-10-19 11:16 pm (UTC)
From: [personal profile] youngelephant
It's been a rollercoaster lately with some fairly positive results. The company I work for is mandating the vax. I started looking for other jobs, realized I was underpaid, and had tons of interview offers all promising significantly more money. Today the company I work at now gave me a massive raise. I have a strong hunch my religious exemption will be accepted which is backed by concrete reasoning as well.

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Date: 2021-10-19 11:52 pm (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
I work in a grocery store and live in a relatively working-class area of Milwaukee County, and it seems to me that true neurotic, obsessed, co-dependent Covid Narrative Cultism largely doesn't occur, at least not in its pure form, amongst the Flyover Country working-class folk. In fact, judging by what I've read on the "Nextdoor" neighborhood social media website, they are the most likely to want to rebel against or undermine the whole Cultist Narrative thing. A lot of people probably know this already, but I just thought I would confirm it with my own observations, as that is likely the only contribution I will be able to make to this particular thread. --Mr. Nobody

Same here

Date: 2021-10-20 02:53 pm (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
That is my experience in the small town I live in on the CA/OR border. People are largely ignoring the whole thing and living their lives. Particularly on the Oregon side of the border I've noticed that something like 1/3 of people don't even bother putting on masks in stores anymore and no one confronts them. The college I work at does not require vaccines. At the beginning of Fall, they required all faculty to resume normal classroom teaching (we had been heavily using Zoom). The faculty union picketed on behalf of the faculty that didn't feel safe doing so, but it was all largely ignored and went away. Maybe this is the best approach? What you resist persists! Energy flows where attention goes.

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Date: 2021-10-19 11:53 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] lunchboxbike
I didn't need the vex for daily life, but I wanted to travel, so I was ready to get it when I saw a sign at a pharmacy for walk-ins. I was starting a medication that day, so I decided the vex could wait a while. That evening I started seeing info here about the effects. Since then I haven't felt any pressure to get the vex. And travel could be a moot point if pilots are too sick or dead to fly.

Community Coming Together

Date: 2021-10-20 12:33 am (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
I've been working for six weeks now as a teacher at an alternative school formed by and for the unvaccinated. We're renting the grounds of a local hunting club, which gives us a building in which to eat lunches and do paper lessons, and a couple of acres of forest in which to do nature lessons. We use no masks, no social distancing... just regular people doing regular people things. We will not lock down if the regular schools do, and we treat sniffles and sneezes as regular fall colds. I never thought I would find it such a meaningful experience to lovingly wipe a kid's snotty nose and then simply wash my hands, rather than quarantine myself for two weeks.

It's been hectic and difficult getting the kids used to a daily routine and something resembling a regular 'school day'. (Many of them have not been in a regular school routine for two years, since Ontario teachers were striking in the fall of 2019, immediately before schools began to be shut down). Nevertheless I've been encouraged to hear from parents that their kids are thriving on all the social play time and natural stimulation they've been needing for so long.

And I've been quite surprised and moved to find that I'm enjoying getting to know my students' parents and my fellow teachers. At our recent fall open house, I stood around eating healthy sugar-free snacks discussing, among other things, natural cancer treatment methods, the weird machinations of global finance, and astrological timing. All these years that I've been reading JMG and wishing for a community with whom to talk about taboo topics, and now covid seems to have drummed up just such a community and given me a place in it.

It's not been an easy season by any means, but I am grateful for the strength of the network that I see emerging around me, and around this school.

- Dylan

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Date: 2021-10-20 04:03 pm (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
Wow, that is so inspiring and encouraging. My kids are in an amazing Waldorf school. We have supported the school in whatever they need to do to keep going. But they have to follow the requirements of the local health dept. Right now that means masks and vaccines for all teachers and parents if they want to come on the school grounds. But our NW state has a very heavy hand and is making initial efforts to push students to get vaccinated as well.

Currently I’m ok with just staying away and supporting my kids from a distance so they can continue to go to school. But once children are mandated I will need to pull them out. I know that we may be homeschooling at some point. We did this when they were little. But for older kids I would love a school or group environment. I’m hoping it doesn’t come to that as I love the Waldorf education they are getting. I appreciate hearing your story as it makes me feel more hopeful.

Tamar

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Update from NSW

Date: 2021-10-20 12:34 am (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
In NSW, Australia, the premier recently had to step down due to corruption allegations and their replacement immediately announced reduced restrictions for the remaining stages of the roadmap to opening up (albeit just for the vaxxed). They are a pro-business government and hesitated to implement the lockdown, but their hand was forced by the politics of the issue. They didn’t have the spine or wit to argue for a more limited and less destructive policy, however at this point they must have decided they need to soften things and normalize as fast as possible.
- No talk of boosters, two shots is it.
- There is open contestation of vaccine apartheid by some businesses on social media though they or some other party has often removed the posts soon after.
- It is widely known that fake vaccination cards are being produced, circulated and used.
- We are rapidly moving towards opening up interstate borders with the prevailing narratives proclaiming things will be more or less opened up and normalish for Christmas. - Quarantine is no longer required for Australians returning from overseas.
- I recently saw a news segment showing the NSW Health Minister arguing that police would be checking peoples vax status inside businesses as they have no choice but to enforce the law, followed by a clip of a senior officer somewhat irritably saying no they wouldn’t, but would come if called to eject unvaxxed from businesses. If this is the general approach of the police then fears of a ‘papers, please’ society may not actually come to pass.

Overall this state of affairs is better than expected so I thought it was worth posting about.

Re: Update from NSW

Date: 2021-10-20 06:12 am (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
NSW is certainly the most liberal jurisdiction. It has the least professions with vax mandates, and the vax apartheid for coffee and snacks ends on December 1st. The situations in some of the other states are much worse. (Looking at you, Victoria.)

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Solidarity

Date: 2021-10-20 01:37 am (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
I hope this link fits the theme. While the video clip is somber, it’s a beautiful show of strength and solidarity. This clip should be viewed widely. It’s powerful.

https://mobile.twitter.com/disclosetv/status/1450571191853453315

Re: Solidarity

Date: 2021-10-21 06:20 pm (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
These people are now out feeding the homeless.

https://twitter.com/KatieDaviscourt/status/1450516369984819200

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Date: 2021-10-20 02:23 am (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
If there’s another lockdown, at least many of us will have something to keep us occupied.

https://www.gq.com/story/inside-amazons-wheel-of-time

I probably wouldn’t watch—I don’t think I could stand that much Nynaeve—but I have a several-hundred-book to-read pile. A 1 1/2 book to-write pile, and an old house, so I sure won’t get bored even if They decide we can never step outdoors again. What plans has everyone else, if it happens?

Does anyone else think The Weird Of Hali should be filmed?

By the way, JMG, thanks for encouraging us to hawk our work to small publishers. I studied what all’s involved in marketing books and realized I wouldn’t be good at a lot of it, don’t have the necessary connections.

—Princess Cutekitten of Lolcat
(JMG got busy and never got around to promoting me, so I promoted myself)

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From: (Anonymous)

JMG said "job board" twice but I didn't see any on the last open post, nor this one. So I googled it for y'all:

  • Red balloon (https://redballoon.work/jobs/)
  • No vax mandate (https://novaxmandate.org/)
  • Gab's No Vax Mandate Jobs Board (https://gab.com/groups/49159)

And thus, JMG conjured a post of job boards :). TSW!

A cursory glance lead me to conclude that these board are still small (300-1000 employers), so hopefully this post conjures up some more job boards :D

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Date: 2021-10-20 04:28 am (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
Late to the party but since this is a resource post, I thought it might be appropriate.

Anybody has any updates on obtaining ivermectin (one of WHO's essential medicines) online? There was a thread long ago but other than tractor supply (paste for horses) I don't see anything online.

Thank you!

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Date: 2021-10-20 05:46 pm (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
I just got some from onlinegenericmedicine.com. Came airmail from India. You're risking customs intercepting it, but they didn't mine.

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