Magic Monday
Sep. 26th, 2021 11:46 pm
It's getting on for midnight, so we can proceed with a new Magic Monday. Ask me anything about occultism and I'll do my best to answer it. Any question received by midnight Monday Eastern time will get an answer. (Any question received after then will not get an answer, and will more than likely just be deleted.) If you're in a hurry, or suspect you may be the 143,916th person to ask a question, please check out the very rough version 1.0 of The Magic Monday FAQ here.(No, I haven't run out of occult diagrams to include here, but I decided it was time to shift themes a bit and show some Druids for a change. Yes, that's a Druid celebrating the summer solstice at Stonehenge. I've done the same thing at the same place.)
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Inquiry into Europes magic community
Date: 2021-09-27 04:03 am (UTC)I am a student of the Dolmen Arch study course and the Druid Magic Handbook. I live in Europe.
This year I am between university studies and am taking the time to pursue personal research and writing in spiritual ecology. I want to know more about how mystery traditions and magical practices have influenced our ecological relationships and land management practices.
This Magic Monday I am asking for your recommendation of serious chat/blogging/study/practice groups in English for Druidism and/or other active Mystery schools. Or just in the Occult in general.
Up until now I have conducted my study and practice largely alone and would welcome the chance to connect to others in the European occult community. However, I am largely unaware of the current occult milieu in Europe or the UK and would value your advice before venturing forth.
May clarity shine on you,
Igor Blumer
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Date: 2021-09-27 09:12 am (UTC)I am in Kraków and have also been looking for such a community in Europe. Where are you located in?
Cheers,
Greg
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Date: 2021-09-27 04:11 am (UTC)I was thinking on an elemental correspondence to the five senses and I assigned touch to Earth, smell to Air, taste to Water. Would you assign fire to sight or hearing? However, I guess that can wildly defer by system doesn't it?
Celebrating the Solstice at Stonehenge must've been quite an experience by the way!
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Date: 2021-09-27 04:17 am (UTC)Thanks much, as always!
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From:A Strange Awakening
Date: 2021-09-27 04:36 am (UTC)It's been a productive week over here, but I am curious at an experience that took place this morning. As I was lying in bed, I perceived something rather strange in my secondary vision. It seemed that a silvery disc was floating above my forehead, and a series of blue circles were rippling out from the disc. Eventually, I sat up, dressed, and ate, but that was distinctively odd.
Also, I am curious if there's a Western equivalent to the Eastern practice of yoga poses, and if the commentariat know, that is also helpful.
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Date: 2021-09-27 04:40 am (UTC)2) Some Western occult practices have borrowed elements of hatha yoga, or adapted Western postures to yoga-style use. Other than that, not that I know of.
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Date: 2021-09-27 04:37 am (UTC)Heading into my second trip ‘round the Wheel of the Year, I hit a snag preparing for Samhuinn.
The instructions in The Druidry Handbook suggest harvest gold, russet, and brown for altar coverings. I bought a package of multicolored bandanas, which included one that can pass for both russet and brown, but harvest gold?
No gots. Should I use orange, yellow, both, or go find something else? My calibrated eyeball says orange.
Might I have the favor of your opinion?
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Date: 2021-09-27 04:38 am (UTC)2. Immediately after I complete a session of magical practice (usually consisting of banishing + invocation), I experience a peculiar kind of headspace. I’m easily startled and sensitive to things in my surroundings, and I look at everything with childlike eyes, as if for the first time. In psychological language, it feels like my mind has been opened up and the grip of the ego has been temporarily loosened. It takes me a good amount of time to go back to being fully normal and grounded, and this effect seems to have increased after a couple of years of practice. The more intense my visualizations and state of trance during practice, the stronger the effect also. Could you comment on this experience? Am I going through something normal?
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Date: 2021-09-27 04:45 am (UTC)1b) That's certainly been my experience and that of others.
2) That's a known phenomenon. Try eating more red meat -- that helps ground you in your physical body, which is after all made of meat. Magic should not make you a space cadet...
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From:Gooey Greta
Date: 2021-09-27 04:47 am (UTC)That said, what would you speculate are the (caco)magical intentions behind this image?
Do you think Greta will suffer any form of blowback from being portrayed as a black goo accident victim?
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Date: 2021-09-27 04:49 am (UTC)I am certain you have answered this for someone but I cannot find it. Apologies.
I am working through the DMH. I am waiting on a favourable divination to awaken the currents.
Then the books move into enchantment exercises before moving on to the Grail workings.
I feel the strong need to awaken the currents and then move on to the Grail workings. Before coming back to the enchantment exercises.
I have a memory you suggested this was ok. Or do I have it wrong and need to follow the book as it was written?
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Date: 2021-09-27 04:51 am (UTC)Ogham divination
Date: 2021-09-27 04:54 am (UTC)May I ask a potentially embarrassing question. Since I started doing my DMH practice I have been doing daily divination as I thought it recommended in the book:
First card left(situation)
Second card right (power/future)
Third card center (my rolle/self)
And then I read it from left to right. „The situation is this, you are like this and it will go like this“
In time I have learned to read the second and third cards as assertions, warnings, or possibilities. As appropriate or intuitive.
1. I have seen others here post their readings, where they for instance place the cards in order: immediate, situation, outcome. Can you please give some guidance, or correction, regarding my divining?
2. I would be interested unstudied in studying ogham divination further, are there any books or sources you would recommend?
Best regards,
V
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Date: 2021-09-27 05:30 am (UTC)2) I haven't kept up with recent books on the subject; the little book that comes with Colin and Liz Murray's set of Ogham cards is good if somewhat limited, while the others I've seen are, um, not so good. Does anyone else have suggestions?
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From:Three Letters
Date: 2021-09-27 04:55 am (UTC)No question right now, but just wanted to share that two weeks ago, I mentioned Venus had signaled Her willingness to have a relationship and you recommended burning incense and reciting Her Orphic hymn. For the last two Fridays, I’ve done so.
The first time, I read the poem off my phone, burning Frankincense, which is what I happened to have on hand. I felt Her presence, sure, but it occurred to me I’d probably have to have the Hymn by heart if I wanted to make a wholehearted offering.
So, this past Friday I burned some rose incense and recited the Hymn from memory. Around when I got to “Come, Cyprus-born” etc., the entire room I was working in became flooded with brilliant green light. It was, with one possible exception, the most vivid visual result I’ve experienced so far on my path.
Having begun with an LBRP, I thought it best to do a Qabalistic Cross after the hymn & prayer. I found myself bursting into little fits of laughter through the whole thing. Fitting consequence, I suppose, of an encounter with a laughter-loving Queen.
TSW! thank you for your advice. The hymn is quite beautiful.
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Date: 2021-09-27 05:06 am (UTC)1. I got a little over-confident from how my shield charts have been going and cast a house chart for the first time. I spent a decent amount of time mulling it over, and set the quesited as the 12th house. I ended up with a pretty opaque (at least to me) chart, and realized while I was interpreting it that the question might have been better placed in another house. The protocol is to just stick to reading it as a 12th house question right?
2. I’m coming up on the end of my first year of ‘actual’ magical practice (excluding the truly regrettable amount of time I did in the chaos magic sphere). I’m hoping to get a thumbs up or some feedback for the little curriculum I have set out for this next year so it goes a bit smoother. Let me know if there’s any holes or short-sightedness:
Ritual: Continuing daily Middle Pillars and weekly R+C’s, along with weekly temple workings (basic Opening & Closing from COP for now) with added Hexagrams etc in the future
Divination: Continuing daily tarot (maybe getting into three cards a day in a few months) and monthly forecast spreads. Geomancy here and there for specific questions. Continuing to dabble in starting to read tarot for others.
Meditation: I’ve struggled the most with meditation out of the three main pillars, so I decided i would restart from the ground up and I’m now working through Stage One from Paths of Wisdom. Following the work in there, I’ll be somewhere into Stage Three in a year from now.
Study: Paths will be the main book here, along with Circles. I’m treating it casually for now, but I’ll also be slowly catching up on the monthly Doctrine and Ritual posts too.
Many, many thanks,
Reid
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Date: 2021-09-27 05:33 am (UTC)2) That sounds to me like a very solid course of practice for now, with plenty of room to add additional workings as you proceed.
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Date: 2021-09-27 05:10 am (UTC)1. I understand from perusing this forum's archives sea magic teachings aren't often shared publicly by practitioners. Though I did read with pleasure Dion Fortune's "Sea Priestess" and I am looking forward to starting her book "Moon Magic" soon. Between my natal chart, my life experiences, and the rather strong and growing inner pull of the sea this is an area I want to explore.
Will my working through the Dolmen Arch provide the tools I will need to begin working in the realm of sea magic? If not what system would you recommend after I complete DA?
2. Working with Wirth's tarot has been quite fun! Along side the Levi book club experience I am also developing my interpretations of cards for readings. I must say my understandings are beginning to unfold rather gracefully. Something as simple as devoting a meditation to "Swords" is quite satisfying. In fact, I am getting close to having my own LWB so to speak. With some meanings quite different from the booklet which came with the deck. No real question more a thanks for the help!
3. Last week I asked about feeling a meta-level theme out there as I meditate on themes. Your response:
"2) The meta level is not a theme -- it's what unfolds from the experience of engaging a theme, irrespective of the theme."
Your response got me started exploring this week with shifting into and staying in that meta-state whatever. At least that is what it feels like I am doing. One thing I noticed during one shift was what felt like a pressure forming in my head. Not sure what that is about or if it is even related. While I don't know what to call this flow or state it feels like there is potential to develop something. I want to call it intuition but feel my understanding of the meta-level or ability to grasp it is quite limited at this point. The shift though is getting easier with practice.
Should I be on the look out for mental body tentacles sprouting at some point?
Thank you for the help and insights.
Happy Johnny Appleseed Day to you!
Carnelian Seedy Pug
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Date: 2021-09-27 05:37 am (UTC)2) You're most welcome.
3) That's a good sign. Give yourself regular scalp massages, or get someone else to give them to you, if the feeling of pressure becomes uncomfortable. Tentacles -- well, not really, though it may feel that way sometimes. ;-)
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From:Carey's Subtle Body Exercise, Judson Exercise, Cell Salts & Booze, Divination, Keeping Silent
Date: 2021-09-27 05:19 am (UTC)1. In a post on the cell salts a bit back, you mentioned that in addition to experimenting with Carey's cell salt protocol, you were experimenting with certain exercises targeting the subtle body. Any updates on those experiments you're willing to share?
2. Judson Exercise Questions
a. For the Judson exercise, if you incorporate a prayer or invocation for the arms-up single clockwise rotation, would it be better to invoke a solar deity, since that step is about solar energy, a balanced pair since the whole exercise calls in both solar and telluric energies, or is that a matter for experiment and personal beliefs?
b. Do you know if anyone has experimented with the Judson Exercise and Hatha Yoga? I have been using Sun Salutations for a few months now (as described in Asana Pranayama Mudra Bandha - thanks commentariat!) primarily for their physical/stretching benefits, but secondarily as a spiritual practice. I revisited your post on The Judson Exercise a few days ago, and decided I'd like to give it a try, but unlike Sun Salutations, doesn't seem to so much help with getting bendier. I've been doing both for a few days now with no ill effects noticed so far, but I always try to avoid being the guinea pig if someone else has already done the honors.
3. I had a question that I realized might be veering too close to medical advice, so I've decided to rephrase it: do you know of any documentation that discusses the interaction (or lack thereof) of alcohol and cell salts, especially those meant to help the liver? When it comes to booze, I know Carey was agin it in general, but those of us not seeking physical immortality knowing how cell salts and alcohol interact could be helpful.
4. A question on interpreting divinations. Often, I get a spread that seems to have a pretty clear message, but then even when looking back, I'm not sure what to apply it to in the past day. For example, Knowledge: Uilleandh, Peace: Muin, Power: Coll seems to pretty clearly say something about insight into something that was hidden or seemed insignificant leading to some kind of change/transformation, but the next day, I look back and don't see anything that seems like an insight into a previous secret/insignificant thing. Any advice on how to handle this kind of thing?
5. Perhaps this is coming as we read through Levi, but other than the strategic element of the fourth magical virtue of not showing your hand so others can't mess with it, why is keeping silent one of the four magical virtues? Or perhaps this is a fine theme for meditation!
Thanks very much,
Jeff
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Date: 2021-09-27 06:01 am (UTC)2) In both cases, that's a good subject for experimentation.
3) No, not as such. In the old literature Ferrum phos. was recommended for excessive cravings for alcohol and Nat. sulph was recommended to treat the liver. Of course I mention this solely as a matter of historical interest.
4) More meditation!
5) See #4. ;-)
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Date: 2021-09-27 05:24 am (UTC)This swift exit from my former friend group has been a variously painful, lonely, and confusing period. Do these types of experiences tend to be karmic or is it the inevitable result of developing independent thought and drawing heterodox conclusions in a climate hostile to such endeavors? Besides working on my SOP and using this newfound solitude as an opportunity to jumpstart my spiritual practice, is there anything I can do to handle this adjustment period with relative grace?
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Date: 2021-09-27 06:04 am (UTC)Ascendancies and Culminations
Date: 2021-09-27 05:43 am (UTC)In such cases, is it a meaningful or beneficial practice to time such actions to when the position of a natal benefic is currently ascendant or culminating? Since this happens three times every 24 hours, it seems like a relatively reliable cycle.
If this is a usable practice, are aspects of present planetary positions to the ascendant or Midheaven significant?
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Date: 2021-09-27 06:09 am (UTC)I am working through chapter 4 in Levi's book, and read tonight about christ/antichrist. I'll have to reread it several times, I'm sure, to understand his meaning. But it made me think of your discussion of demons influencing current events, and I wonder if the negativity surfacing at this time in history is coming from more human forces. ( I don't know much about demons to be able to think about that concept.) But it seems like this is a moment where the spring is being pushed very far in one direction, building force to (hopefully soon) spring in the other direction. As the spring is pushed further and further, my observation is that the truth of all of our negative aspects seems to be coming to the surface.
Its difficult for a sensitive person to take it all in, I am doubling down on my reading of Levi as well as the OSA work to get me through this. Thank you again for hosting this space.
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Date: 2021-09-27 08:36 am (UTC)1. I'm currently reading John Michell's book The View Over Atlantis while working through the DMH. The discussion on ley lines made me wonder: is there a connection between the Ogham fews and ley lines? I ask, because you use a line to write multiple fews on, and all the marks made by each few which cross the main stem line almost look like roads or paths crossing a ley line if you imagine looking down at a map, if that makes sense. But maybe I'm reading in to something that isn't there. I'm doing Ogham pathworking at the moment, so I have a tendency to do so. :)
2. I realize now as I get going with pathworking that I should have meditated more on the Stations of the Wheel of the Year. I read the introduction to Paths of Wisdom on Amazon and I'm going to buy the book so that I can think further about the differences between the Tree of Life and the Wheel of Life. In the meantime, a question.
A Station is meant to show a magical state of consciousness or realm of experience, and as in the discussion on Lévi, the Stations may be like the elements in that they are filing cabinets to assign types of experience to. If I am under the sway of a Station, does that resemble the normal upswings and downswings of mood and energy levels I get in to? Or are these specific states something different from this and more specific to magic?
Thanks!
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Date: 2021-09-27 06:06 pm (UTC)2) Both. A Station corresponds to certain conditions of ordinary consciousness and certain conditions of magical consciousness.
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Date: 2021-09-27 08:56 am (UTC)What banishing rituals or equivalents did magical traditions outside of the west use? I recall that you were looking for translations of a Japanese Kuji-in manual as they could be used as a banishing ritual. I briefly skimmed Anthony Cummins’ “The Dark Side of Japan: Ancient Black Magic, Folklore, Ritual” and it had some material on Kuji-in.
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Date: 2021-09-27 06:11 pm (UTC)2) You'd have to talk to people who know non-Western magical traditions! The kuji-in seem to have been used in much the same way in Japanese magical practice, but that's the one tradition I've read up on. I haven't read Cummins' book, and will have to remedy that!
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Date: 2021-09-27 09:03 am (UTC)Re: moving magic of one place to another
Date: 2021-09-27 06:11 pm (UTC)Theurgy
Date: 2021-09-27 09:58 am (UTC)1. I've read some online sources on theurgy, and am wondering whether this is the genre/larger category that DMH-DA falls into, rather than something that would be added to this curriculum? When I invoke Hu, air, and "its, gods, spirits, and powers," that sounds theurgical to me.
2. What reading do you recommend in terms of Druid Revival theurgical work, or is it all Iamblichus? I found Gregory Shaw's Theurgy and the Soul referenced quite a lot.
3. If theurgy relating to the Welsh gods in Revival Druidry would be breaking new ground, I'd be happy to put some elbow grease in. I already sing the SOP, the Universal Druid Prayer, and The Valley of the Black Pig by Yeats afterward. I think it's been noticed too, because a few weeks ago, right before I started the SOP, I heard someone say "It's the songbird." It happened too quickly for me to tell who it was, but it made me laugh!
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Date: 2021-09-27 06:16 pm (UTC)2) I don't know of anyone who's written on the theurgy of the Druid Revival tradition at all! Iamblichus is probably your best bet, and Thomas Taylor's book on the Mysteries is also worth close reading.
3) I'm delighted to hear this -- and "The Valley of the Black Pig" is one of my favorite Yeats poems! It reliably gets the hair on the back of my neck to stand up. I'd encourage you to work with theurgic practice and see what you can develop.
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Date: 2021-09-27 11:57 am (UTC)I find the opposite is happening. If a period of time goes by in which I have not done any ritual, when I finally do one, the effect is markedly stronger than when I do it daily. Like a flash flood in a dry desert creek bed after a sudden downpour as opposed to a gently constant flow of water.
Was wondering why that was.
Thank you,
Myriam
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Date: 2021-09-27 12:24 pm (UTC)Topically relevant to your photo, this is a question I have been curious to hear your thoughts on for a while. I have a friend who encountered a 'vampiric' sort of entity lurking around the ruins of St Augustine's Abbey in Canterbury, England. Ex-Beat poet, and Guenonian Traditionalist Charles Upton believes that it is dangerous to spend too much time in disused sacred sites, as they attract parasitic entities. What do you make of this?
Best wishes,
Luke
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