Open (More or Less) Post on Covid 6

[ecosophia]

The semi-open posts  I've hosted here on the Covid-19 narrative, the inadequately tested experimental drugs for it, and the whole cascading mess surrounding them have continued to field a gargantuan (and increasing) number of comments, so I'm opening another space for discussion. The rules are the same as before: 

1. If you plan on parroting the party line of the medical industry and its paid shills, please go away. This is a place for people to talk openly, honestly, and freely about their concerns that the party line in question is dangerously flawed and that actions being pushed by the medical industry et al. are causing injury and death. It is not a place for you to dismiss those concerns. Anyone who wants to hear the official story and the arguments in favor of it can find those on hundreds of thousands of websites.

2. If you plan on insisting that the current situation is the result of a deliberate plot by some villainous group of people or other, please go away. There are tens of thousands of websites currently rehashing various conspiracy theories about the Covid-19 outbreak and the vaccines. This is not one of them. What we're exploring is the likelihood that what's going on is the product of the same arrogance, incompetence, and corruption that the medical industry and its tame politicians have displayed so abundantly in recent decades. That possibility deserves a space of its own for discussion, and that's what we're doing here. 

3. If you don't believe in treating people with common courtesy, please go away. I have, and enforce, a strict courtesy policy on my blogs and online forums, and this is no exception. The sort of schoolyard bullying that takes place on so many other internet forums will get you deleted and banned here. No, I don't care if you disagree with that: my journal, my rules. 

With that said, the floor is open for discussion. 

Comments

[ari_ormstunga]

Breakthrough infections have started to hit the vaccinated at my girlfriend's office. They pushed her really hard to get the vaxx for awhile but she held her ground. It will be interesting to see how they respond; half the vaxxed at her office are out with covid now. Obviously it works just great, nothing to see here...

Another wrong kind of breakthrough

[(Anonymous)]

I hope your girlfriend stays strong. I know and sympathize with a young couple in the neighborhood who have refused to get vaccinated and have lost some side work as a result.

Last month a close family member, fully vaccinated (first in the family) and very careful to mask/keep distance/good hygiene, came down with COVID. It was fortunately a mild-ish case, like a bad cold, but left her with no sense of smell (which I hope clears up soon).

I've been 'fully' vaccinated myself (a condition of seeing the grandkids, also I got a very positive and unambiguous reading from a divination - just maybe there are some instances where the vax is beneficial/harmless*). I also took good amounts of vitamin C/vitamin D/B-complex/zinc to help with the reaction to the vaccine, as recommended by an alternative health practitioner. Hopefully there will be no long term effects.

[(Anonymous)]

Thanks again JMG.

The pressure is mounting from all sides, and right now, it appears that hospitalizations are mainly among the unvaccinated, which is hardening the case proponents have been making to get vaccinated.

It also appears that a lot of news contrary to this narrative is ignored or downplayed. For example, that natural immunity from getting Covid is more effective than vaccine-based immunity.

I know that there are a few cracks forming in the vaccine narrative, but are any of them widening?

[ecosophia]

Well, The Atlantic just ran a major article discussing the way that coronavirus case numbers have been inflated. That looks like widening to me.

[gullindagan]

David Holmgren, one of the co-originators of permaculture, has come out with an essay on Covid and vaccines that I find quite refreshing, so I wanted to share it with all of you fine folks, of course, he doesn't think it's demons, but I wouldn't expect him to:

https://holmgren.com.au/writing/pandemic-brooding/

"As a healthy 66-year-old I am not personally afraid of the virus, but if greater virulence and death rate do emerge with new variants, I might consider the preventative regimen recommended by the FLCCA doctors. There is no way I will be getting any of the current vaccines in the foreseeable future, no matter what the sanctions and demonisation of my position on this matter. "

[ecosophia]

Clear, cogent, and thoughtful as usual. Thanks for this!

[(Anonymous)]

JMG and everyone here. Thanks so much for this space. These have been really weird times and this space is helping me keep my head on straight.

JMG Do you think your basic hypothesis has been strengthened or changed in the last 6 weeks? Also do you think your demonic hypothesis has been weakened or changed in the last few weeks

Thanks from Minnesota
Will O

[ecosophia]

My basic hypothesis still appears to be holding up tolerably well. We seem to be early in Stage Ten of the trajectory, with breakthrough infections becoming increasingly common and the behavior of the political classes becoming increasingly erratic.

As for the speculation on demonic involvement, I haven't seen any more evidence either way. The things that led me to suggest it were, first, the weird experience many people seem to have had of seductive voices urging them to go get the vaccines, and second, the apparent messing with the results of divination. My speculation traced that to one possible source. We'll see whether any further evidence emerges one way or the other.

[(Anonymous)]

This is happening in a small midwestern city of approximately 14000 people. There is a significant surge in the number of sick individuals calling out of school and long waits at the local hospital.

https://www.kniakrls.com/2021/09/14/pella-school-absences-remain-above-6-percent-long-wait-times-at-pella-regional/

According to the article the majority of those getting sick are unvaccinated, although it does not give their age. It does say that those who are vaccinated and getting sick are generally over 50.

It seems like this data is represented of the larger, global trends. So let me ask this question. Suppose ADE and AOS is actually happening. As far as I understand it this means we should expect two things,

1) A decrease in the effectiveness of the vaccine after an initial boost to immunity
2) Covid 19 should keep micro evolving so that it is less lethal but more transmissible to the unvaccinated

It looks like number 1 is happening but not number 2. Why is that? What am I missing?

[(Anonymous)]

ADE and/or OAS will show up as worse disease outcomes among vaccinated vs. unvaccinated people, which we are not currently seeing.

What we are seeing at this point is improved disease outcomes in vaccinated people coupled with a loss of vaccine immunity against infection and a strong uptick in cases in high-vax areas.

To me this is best explained by immune tolerance being induced by the genetic vaccines.

Mark L

[(Anonymous)]

Alright I'm officially sick of worrying. Time for some sort of plan. It would obviously depend on goals, reverse mandates or buy time? According to our host the narrative is already beginning to crack, so perhaps time is all we need.

To my mind we all have A LOT of scientifically valid questions that have been met with Ad Hominem attacks. Not right here of course thanks to our host.

I've got two things in mind, one is a series of questions. These questions are meant to possibly before copying and pasting and/or mailing out to relevant organizations. Everyone here has helped shaped this in my mind. I really do hope it helps.

The other is traditional tools of union organizations. I.E. Strikes, slow downs, sit ins, walk outs. Please feel free to add to and edit these as well.
Though business that have the 100 employees and are against the mandates might think of splitting the corporations to be under the 100 person mark. I work/worked for a variety of companies that are actually several different companies owned by a holding company. "Wholly owned subsidiary."

So now that my hackles are up I'm trying to gather questions feel free to add your own or edit mine to be less confrontational.

1. What’s the status of instituting testing for the vaccinated due to breakthrough infections? It seems if we are going to worry about a flu this much we should be equally worried and perhaps more so about the vaccinated that are getting infections. After all wouldn’t that imply that the virus is adapting to the protections and is likely to overrun it?

2. Further being as the Delta variant is significantly less lethal, at what point are we going to admit the virus has evolved into a cold/flu like disease? Normal viral evolution tends towards more infectious but less lethal, so we might expect the same with further variants.

3. My family has already had COVID. When will you start doing antibody testing on those exposed who have a demonstrated natural immunity/resistance which is more effective than these “leaky" vaccines?

4. What legal protections are being afforded to the vaccinated? I.E. Regarding the known side effects of TIA, Enlarged Hearts, ADE, the odd interactions it is having with some woman and their reproductive systems, i.e. spontaneous abortions, and weird alterations in their normal cycles? How about the sudden deaths due to vaccination, probably but not always related to the TIA and Enlarged hearts showing up as heart attacks and strokes?

5. It seems like a massive red flag, scientifically speaking, that the control group for these vaccines was vaccinated. Wouldn’t that imply that we would have no idea what the side effects might be? Or at the very least it would seem to eliminate the scientific oversight of side effects. (Thanks Brother Josephus)

6. Why are we running the PCR tests at such a high cycle rate that we are virtually guaranteed to get false positives?

7. How are we addressing what is essentially a bait and switch due to the FDA approving a DIFFERENT vaccine than the one that is currently given?

8. If masks were going to work don’t you think they would’ve done so by now? How long are we going to keep this up?

9. Are we going to go back to having to eat outside in tents? How is it scientific that you CAN get COVID IN a restaurant but you CAN’T get COVID in a tent outside of the same restaurant?

10. When are you going to be addressing criticisms of Fauci being involved in funding the gain of function research from the Wuhan Labs?

11. When are you going to be addressing criticisms of Fauci experiencing direct financial gain from these experimental vaccines?

12. When can we admit that experimental vaccines are not guaranteed to work, as indeed is in the literature from the vaccines?

13. When are we going to start panicking about the actual leading causes of death in America? I.E. Heart Disease, and Diabetes. If this was about saving lives wouldn’t it make sense to start with the demonstrated highest causes of death?

14. What are you going to do when you have staff reductions due to medical professionals refusing to get vaccinated? How about utility employees? What about average city employees? We are already in the midst of a labor shortage. Does it make sense to eliminate/limit essential services in a time like this?

15. Tell me when will any of these questions be answered scientifically and not just with ad hominem attacks like “anti-vaxxer” or “conspiracy theorist?”

Union tools/slogans. In my mind there is a powerful image of nurses/doctors in scrubs on strike, they are right outside the hospital/across the street wherever is legal and the sign says "Government won’t let us help."

The rest of these are early idea slogans and some of them are politically aimed at the president. If you are Pro-Biden and anti-mandate I do want you on our side, I have no doubt that you are following your heart politically and I do not wish to throw stones at you.

We would love to help but the government won’t let us

Government won’t let us help.

We were ESSENTIAL when this started. We still are.

Still ESSENTIAL.

How Much REVENUE do you want to lose?

NEITHER of us is making money right now.

Boycott until No Mandates

Is your wallet hurting yet?

Biden would rather you die than get the flu

Abandoning you like he did Afghanistan

Had enough? Vote populist.

Abandoned by the ACLU

Follow the science, not the scientist.

Follow the money not the science.

Science shouldn’t be a religion

My Body My Choice works both ways

Refuse to be a GMO (thanks Erika)

I identify as employed

I identify as essential

I identify as free

Columbia protect us

Uncle Sam wants you! To stand up for Freedom

How many defaults til the stock market crashes?

The point is we the people are not powerless here. Minimum estimates of 20%-30% of the population with some saying it's probably much higher. Here I'm thinking of the one shotters. I really do want this to be all are welcome, but was being deliberately inflammatory. If you got the vaccine and are against the mandates you are welcome.

[(Anonymous)]

An excellent list of very relevant questions, none of which have been answered to my satisfaction by those running this show. I have made a list like this in my head over the months, but have not written it down. I feel like I have lost more questions like these over time than I currently have in my head, and I still have a lot rolling around in there.

[(Anonymous)]

Well, I don't have a lot to say today, but I thought I'd share a little something from my inbox this week.

I recently received an alumni email communication from a class representative at my (woke, liberal, elite) alma mater, which, as usual, contained the normal pleasantries and platitudes expected from such things.

But this struck me:
"One thing I feel hopeful about? That we’re starting a new decade in this moment of the “Great Reset”. It’s an opportunity to think about transforming our individual lives and society’s systems and structures, trying to make sure we reset and come back to something better than what we left."

I don't know why this kind of creeped me out, but it did. I guess the elite are not just on board, but gung-ho for a "Great Reset"? Whatever that means? What does that mean, to people like this, I wonder? (Remember, this is an alumni missive - so they tend to stick to things that are perceived as non-controversial to the audience, since they want to keep alumni "engaged" so they'll donate money.)

Or maybe I'm just reading to much into an email, who knows.

[(Anonymous)]

The interesting part is that during a lot of revolutions they tend to go after the intellectuals. So good luck to the college I suppose. If they aren't aware of our hosts comparisons of the Great Reset and Stalinism, I'm reasonably sure they are also unaware of the great purges.

Be careful what you wish for. You just might get it.

Anecdotes for everyone

[(Anonymous)]

Currently I'm (40 unvaccinated but recovered from Covid in Jan) looking after my mother (75 vaccinated) and my brother (45 vaccinated) who have both come down with a bad case of Covid over the last 5 days. Doesn't seem to be life threatening at the moment thankfully. I have developed a chesty cough that is similar in strength to a weak summer cold and hoping it won't develop any further.

I find it interesting that both my Mum and Bro haven't had covid over the last 18 months but now we are having a peak here in the uk with more people vaccinated it would seem many are coming down with it. Certainly more people in my small rural area and within my circle of acquaintances (all vaccinated) seem to have been afflicted with covid in the last month than the previous 18 months combined. I shall keep you all informed of the situation as it progress'

~ Bard of Bwyd

Re: Anecdotes for everyone

[(Anonymous)]

May your family recover quickly.

[ecosophia]

I'd like to ask a favor of the biomedically literate. I have two questions about the coronavirus situation for which I am having trouble finding hard answers, and I'd be grateful for anyone who can point me to reputable sources for either one.

First, if in fact the vaccines cause excess deaths through ADE or any other mechanism, we can expect that information to be kept out of broadcast and social media. One place in which it might show up, however, is in changes in crude death rates. An anomalous rise in deaths might have many causes, of course, but it could provide advance warning of the crisis phase. Can anyone point me to good and frequently updated sources for crude death rates for nations that have had high rates of vaccination?

Second, has anyone actually run tests to see how long the vaccine-generated spike proteins remain detectable in the bloodstream of the vaccinated? I've seen a great deal of handwaving on all sides, brandishing around theoretical claims of various kinds, but evidence from actual blood tests of vaccinated persons are another matter. Since the spike protein causes blood clotting, knowing how long it can be detected in the bloodstream of the vaccinated is important for gauging what problems to look for in the population.

Many thanks for your help!

[escorcher]

This links to excess mortality in percentage terms from several year average. You can chose which countries to compare. Raw data reliability is variable I suspect, as is how up to date it is - looks pretty good for more developed countries though e.g. UK figures only 3 weeks or so behind the current date: https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/excess-mortality-p-scores?country=BRA~ECU~PRY~NIC~COL

Update on my child

[tunesmyth]

I reported a couple of Covid posts back about my infant girl being affected by the touch of a recently vaccinated neighbor, leading to a rash where she was touched and, possibly, a nervous system condition. Just the quick update: There have not been any recurrences of the symptoms since the last time, and several tests in the hospital are inconclusive. The symptoms we described only match up with a (literally) one-in-a-million neurological disorder called "Alternating Hemiplegia of Childhood". We have *not* received a diagnosis of such-- it's simply a case of watch, wait, and see. On the recommendation of a friend, we are taking my daughter to start a preventive course of treatment with a local osteopath and chiropractor.

Although I have quite a high level of certainty that the initial rash came from the physical touch of our neighbor, I am far less sure that whatever neurological condition my daughter might potentially have was caused by that exposure. Of course I don't rule it out, and if there is a sudden increase in the number of children who develop previously rare neurological disorders in the coming years, that will be telling. But it appears that when my daughter's condition occurs, it occurs because her system is under unusual stress in some way. It seems to me that being exposed to mRNA shedding by that initial physical touch may have been sufficient stress to trigger it, but that doesn't (necessarily) mean that it was the cause of the condition.

One more potentially important data point that suggests that it may just be coincidental timing is that there were a couple of times just after childbirth that her eyes drifted to one side. Apparently this is not unusual in newborns, but it is at least suggestive that my daughter may have already started out with some kind of neurological imbalance.

As I said, I'm not ruling out the mRNA exposure as a causal factor. I just don't want to jump to conclusions either.

Re: Update on my child

[mollari]

Do you mind if I pray for her health?

Give me your best one-liners

[temporaryreality]

My husband has a doctor's appointment next week and I'm sure he'll be asked if he wants the vaccine. He's not been reading/following much more than general headlines and has been following both personal-hermit tendencies (to avoid exposure) and my lead in distrust of the vaccines. I doubt he'd have a good snappy comeback to shut down all vaxx conversation, so I'd like to give him one.

Tell me your favorite ways to get a medical professional all off your back!

today mine is: Pfizer's largest experiment/study won't be over until 2023 and I won't take an experimental drug.

(Not that I'll take it after 2023, but nobody needs to know that!)

I'm sure there are better ones, so step up to the mic!

Re: Give me your best one-liners

[(Anonymous)]

"No, thank you." If you argue you invite counter-argument.

fossil fuel dependency of Covid vaccines

[(Anonymous)]

I want to bring up another issue of our society's reliance on Covid vaccines as a "solution ". For a moment, put aside important discussions of their safety and efficacy (both short and long-term). One obvious aspect, at least to me, of the Covid vaccines that is not discussed is the fact that they heavily depend on fossil fuels for their research, manufacture, shipment, distribution, promotion, etc. etc. That by itself is not necessarily a reason for me to reject them, as I wouldn't automatically reject certain medical care now if I needed it even if its medical care that wouldn't easily exist in a future without fossil fuels. However, as we further down the era of energy descent, societies and people will be forced to explore other ways of responding to viruses and other health threats. It seems paramount for more of us to actively explore, learn (or in many cases re-learn) lower-energy ways of responding to and mitigating health threats now. The more that we do so now increases the likelihood of better success of dealing with health threats in a lower-energy future.

- beneaththesurface

Re: fossil fuel dependency of Covid vaccines

[tamanous2020]

A good callout there! A lot of the current problems are only given one solution these days, a highly centralized corporate/government agency that provides minimal returns at outsized costs. As parallel societies develop outside the controlled institutions, I expect that local, low energy measures will be the go to method for many.

Nasal rinse and throat gargles

[escorcher]

In the spirit of appropriate technology and route 1 common sense, it would seem to me the best way to handle CoVid is not to let it get a good hold. At heart, it is effectively a souped up cold that can get extra nasty if it gets in too deep, so hitting it quick and early in the nose and throat makes sense to me. Some ideas and reasoning in the two links. This is not advice, just information. Use it as you will.

https://www.georgekramermd.com/hydrogen-peroxide-gargling-nasal-rinses-may-prevent-viral-infection/

https://www.researchgate.net/publication/340433132_Hypertonic_saline_nasal_irrigation_and_gargling_should_be_considered_as_a_treatment_option_for_COVID-19

Re: Nasal rinse and throat gargles

[escorcher]

I'd personally say the more dilute % of hydrogen peroxide mouthwash sounds more sensible to me (from first link).

The last unvaxxed in Spain

[(Anonymous)]

Of course there is no vaccine for children under 12...

https://www.thelocal.es/20210907/who-still-hasnt-been-vaccinated-against-covid-19-in-spain/

"At the current rate, 90 percent vaccination could be achieved by October 2021." (more cannon fodder for ADE!).

Re: The last unvaxxed in Spain

[(Anonymous)]

Or step 10 of JMG hypothesis, remember, if ADE and OAS are a thing, having almost all people vaccinated is essential, even if on paper, if 80il million voters could be done, I think almost all people vaccinated would be easy. One reason of making unvaccination anatema isbfor them not to be vocal once the vaccination numbers are elected. Kind of how they did to the 'Trumpers'.

Report from Sweden, etc

[(Anonymous)]

In Sweden, most unvaccinated are immigrants, often from the Middle East or Africa, while most anti-vaxx activists are White Swedes, either New Age people or (supposed) right-wing extremists. This creates obvious problems for the "liberal" Narrative, according to which anti-vaxx and fascism are closely connected, and therefore getting vaccinated is somehow anti-fascist (at least that´s the subtext).

Vaccine passports haven´t been introduced in Sweden, but they are being seriously discussed, since Sweden is supposed to open up completely at the end of this month. If introduced, they would disproportionately hit the immigrants - who are already those mostly affected by COVID and by the rising unemployment in its wake (due to the lockdowns). (Sweden has a "soft" lockdown, but it does affect some branches of the economy - also, Sweden is affected by the "hard" lockdowns in the rest of the world.)

So the "liberals" will have to chose: Support vaccine passports (since lockdowns and vaccines are apparently a liberal thing now) or oppose them in the name of solidarity with the immigrants. Interestingly, the Left Party does oppose vaccine passports (but not vaccines or lockdowns, as far as I know). The Social Democrats and Greens seem indecisive.

In the United States, it seems that Blacks and Hispanics have been worst hit by the pandemic, yet there, too, there is a widespread resistance to vaccines. Vaccine passports in the US (a Democrat thing) will therefore hit Blacks the hardest, leading to *literal* vaccine apartheid.

I wouldn´t be surprised if we get to see race riots in the United States against liberal city or state administrations due to vaccine passports. I still hope that such a scenario can be avoided in Sweden...

Just some random thoughts.

Tidlösa, Sweden

Re: Report from Sweden, etc

[(Anonymous)]

My impression is that the US Left is spinning its cognitive dissonance this way:

The unvaxxed are a combination of one, uneducated, Trump-supporting racist deplorables who don't want the vaccine because they are willfully ignorant, and we should forcibly inject them or maybe just let them die because good riddance anyway; and two, poor, misguided minorities who are "vaccine hesitant" due to some unfortunate past medical racism, who are in need of "education" and "nudges" and "outreach" through their own "community" to help them better-understand the Science and make the right choice.

[(Anonymous)]

A few thoughts.

I got vaccinated back in April, shortly after the vaccines became available to the general adult public. I had been eligible, as an "essential worker," for some time prior to that, but had demurred as I wanted an opportunity to better assess the situation. I spent time with the issue, including prayer and divination, and ultimately went ahead. The divination results indicted, among other things, that I would withstand any potential side effects (Fortuna Major RW) and that receiving the vaccine would be helpful in interacting with others (Conjunctio LW). I'm also late middle-aged (pushing fifty) and will have no more children, so fertility isn't an issue (to the extent that was even a thing for guys). At present, I've had zero side effects (save a slight soreness with the first injection) and plan to decline any booster shots.

That all said, my situation and my assessment is not someone else's. My civil libertarianism says that each person should make his/her own choice based on his/her assessment of his/her particular circumstances. In my view, the folks ripping masks of other people's faces are just as wrong as those who are want to forcibly vaccinate everyone. Those who wish to get vaccinated can and should be permitted do so. Those who--for whatever reason--do not wish to get vaccinated, can and should be permitted to do so as well. Those who wish to wear masks should be allowed to do so. Private property owners who wish people to wear masks while on/in their property should be allowed to do so (including governments with respect to government buildings). People who are put off by having to wear a mask are free to patronize businesses without that requirement. Largely, in other words, we should act like adults and treat each other like adults and be respectful to one another even when we disagree.

*That* all said, I think that COVID is turning out to be one of those events in history which highlights and exacerbates the underlying tensions and divisions within our society, particularly within the US. I've thought for quite a while now that the union was unlikely to survive the end of the US empire, as the empire has been the glue which has held this country together in the wake of the failed revolution of 1860. The wholesale jettisoning of the unwashed (I mean, unvaxxed) from the institutions of our society will likely not work out as the administrators of this policy believe; rather than "punishing" the "evil-doers," this effort is likely to compel them to create their own institutions and their own parallel society, which will result in the furthering of the divisions within the country, less communication between the two primary factions, and greater fraying of the tenuous ties which still bind us together. Looking at COVID in this light, things make a certain amount of sense to me.

Best wishes to all here and to your families. May you remain in good health. And thanks, of course, to our host for providing this oasis of sane discussion in an increasingly crazy world.

--David BTL

[(Anonymous)]

Thank you, David BLT, your statement brings a most excellent vibe, and bodacious wishes to you.

Thank you also to our awesomely generous host, JMG. I appreciate this forum to the moon and back and around five times, and I know full well that without your moderation, so many of such comments as these would never have been forthcoming.

Crimson Cylindrical Gartenzwerg

Case against mandates

[(Anonymous)]

I recently tried to put together the strongest possible argument against vaccine mandates that I could muster based on available science and knowledge.

Much of the information will be familiar to folks who have been following along here but I hope it can be helpful.

http://www.luterra.com/blog/?p=1349

Mark L

Re: Case against mandates

[(Anonymous)]

This is tremendously helpful, Mark, thank you very much.

Plum Apoplectic Chachalaka

Life sounds harder if you're vaccinated

[tunesmyth]

I'm hearing stories from vaccinated friends where the very fact of having been vaccinated is causing them hassles.

I'm in Japan. My job takes me into different classrooms in English language schools around the Osaka-Kyoto region.

In one classroom I went to last week, a teacher in the class shared an interesting experience with me. She had received her second dose of one of the potion shots recently, and she came down with a heavily symptomatic case of what she was sure was Covid-- the symptoms all matched up. She went to the hospital with a high fever, but she couldn't get a PCR test because, they told her, PCR tests give false positives to vaccine recipients for at least three months. (Yes, yes, I know, they give false positives anyway. Just reporting here.)

Well, three days later, her fever subsided, but she was still feeling terrible and vomiting and having no sense of taste or smell. She went back to the hospital, and they advised her that since she had no fever, as soon as she stopped throwing up she could go back to work. I guess because, since she had been vaccinated, then whatever it was theoretically wasn't COVID? I don't know, it's pretty weird. She felt terrible, and was still otherwise symptomatic, so she took the next two weeks off until she felt better... but because there was no official diagnosis of Covid, she isn't able to apply for government assistance for the time off due to Covid.

All I can imagine is that the City of Osaka is running out of funds to pay people to take time off from work (our workplace instructs their PCR-positive workers to take "unpaid holidays" off of work, and apply to the government for the missed pay).

Has anyone heard of this kind of this going on elsewhere, or is this a local problem?

Meanwhile, Japan is requiring negative PCR tests for air travel, regardless of vaccine status. So, if it's for going back to work, PCR tests don't count if you've been vaccinated, even if you're still symptomatically sick. But PCR tests are still required to fly in Japan, even if having been vaccinated affects your PCR test. It's all rather schizophrenic. But I guess that's par for the course everywhere right now.

This actually affected a French friend of mine who flew back to Paris for a family trip. Japan suddenly changed the entry requirements on him while he was away, including adding in the PCR requirement (even though he has a vaccine passport). So he missed his flight, and he wasn't able to reserve another until November 1-- so I guess he's not the only one who ran into this problem! Anyway, what's particularly interesting to me is that-- even though he's vaccinated, and even if his PCR test shows negative-- Japan will be requiring him to quarantine in an assigned hotel for 3 days on arrival AND still require 14 days of quarantine at home on top of that.

Why are people getting this vaccine again??

Re: Life sounds harder if you're vaccinated

[open_space]

I have a physicist friend who is very smart in raw mental power but not much outside of that areas that went overboard into the whole vaccine thing and knew everything about it in favor of it. We argued somewhat peacefully for weeks, exchanging links, papers and arguments for and against the vaccine. Suddenly, for the past 3 weeks, he has been very quiet and I have seen the same for many other people.

As you pointed out, there never was a good reason to get the vaccine but the narrative was stiff and fueled by fear and because they thought it was the holy grail, now thats been changing and it's cracking bit by bit... And since what you mention is also a mayor throwback I hope that will help things change. How was the Gandhi saying that JMG has cited a few times? First the ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, then you win. I think the fighting back is not as strong as it was a few weeks ago...

Support for JMG's C19 Hypothesis

[(Anonymous)]

Hello JMG and all,

A few more data points in support of your hypothesis from British Columbia, Canada. This supports the idea that we are in stage 10 (https://ecosophia.dreamwidth.org/140421.html) and that the political class is becoming increasingly erratic and irrational in its behaviour.

The provincial government has mandated that vaccine passports must be presented in order to access "discretionary" or "non-essential" services and businesses. (I can't imagine how it'd feel to have the government I pay taxes to tell me that my business is non-essential. Ouch). Currently it's one jab for access but in about a month it has to be two jabs. It'll probably be updated to three jabs before long (see below). So far, I've heard through the grapevine in my sleepy little town that most pubs are going to ignore the order. Other businesses have gone back to take-out only. This is a sign of the growing disconnect between our leaders and the population.
Link: https://www2.gov.bc.ca/vaccinecard.html

I just found out last night that the BC gov't is also mandating that all health workers and volunteers be vaccinated within the month. If employees refuse, they may be put on unpaid leave (sneaky, and rather mean, as that means that employees who refuse can't receive unemployment insurance).
Link: https://www.richmond-news.com/bc-news/bc-making-covid-19-vaccine-a-condition-of-employment-for-all-health-care-workers-4329737

Finally, people who are identified as high risk (immunocompromised, for now) are already receiving a third dose of vaccine (which one? who cares anymore, apparently) AND the advising committee is insisting that this third dose is different from a booster shot... somehow...
Link: https://dailyhive.com/vancouver/immunocompromised-booster-shot-covid-19-vaccine

The insanity continues to amp up out here on the west coast.

Shortage of tests

[(Anonymous)]

Well, this one is not really surprising. Shortages of test kits are being reported from all over. The following links report shortages at Washington, Minnesota and Oklahoma respectively. Seems like a national problem.

Expect the "official" case statistics to diverge even more widely from reality. And the elites to bury their heads in the sand even deeper, as the gap widens.

https://dailyevergreen.com/113623/news/state-county-facing-shortage-of-covid-19-tests/
https://www.fox4now.com/national/newsy/what-led-to-the-shortage-of-at-home-covid-19-tests
https://www.enidnews.com/news/covid19/nationwide-shortage-of-rapid-covid-19-tests-hits-state/article_59ab0a02-11b8-11ec-b4fd-c7820e737b07.html

Re: Shortage of tests

[(Anonymous)]

I wonder if people passing on getting vaccinated, but required to show vaccination or negative test for a given activity will be able to say “sorry, shortage”? Could be a real pain to them right when they need a regular test to rejoin society. Mighty convenient for the vaccine push, that correlation in time.

[d_mekel]

How does biden(or bidens overlords) expect a short staffed osha to enforce weekly test and manage the paper work involved with who has been vaccinated

[stcathalexandria]

This mandate has not actually been issued. It was said that he will do it. When? No one knows.

Creating a Safe World

[(Anonymous)]

Here's a piece of satire I wrote over a year ago, a couple of months into the COVID lockdowns. Unfortunately, it's just as relevant now as it was then.



Upon first impression, Randall Raef may not seem like someone who will revolutionize the world, but if you allow this professor at Etaroproc University to give you a tour of his Machines, your view of the future will never be the same again. Over the past decade, Raef has been creating our future, a safe future in which all the dangers that most of us consider part of ordinary life are eliminated.

Raef has three Machines completed and fully inhabited, and five more in the building process. Each completed Machine looks from the outside to be just a huge box of a metal building, without any windows. Inside, most of the space is taken up by thousands of rooms, each of which is a home for one person. Once settled in such a highly sanitized room, each person never has to leave again. The spaces in the Machines that are not inhabited by people are used by robots to deliver the people everything they need, and remove their waste. The
rooms are all outfitted with the latest in digital technology which allows everyone to communicate with each other without leaving their rooms. Everyone is equipped to be able to work remotely, and any items they may need for their work are delivered to their room. The rooms are securely locked so nobody can get out and endanger themselves or others.

The initial Machines that Raef has built are occupied either by prisoners or volunteers that have generally come from homeless communities, however Raef now plans to advertise them to get more and more people to move in. Once there is a critical mass on Machines built, Raef indicated that he has contacts in the government and the media that will use all their influence to persuade people to resettle to the safety of Machines. “Eventually”, Raef says, “Our plan is for everyone to be required to live in Machines.” For now, he admits,
there will still have to be some people who work outside of a machine as robotics technology isn’t advanced enough yet to replace all that humans need to do in the world at large. “There will be essential workers that will still need to leave their rooms to get certain jobs done,” he says, “but they can still be settled in machines for the rest of their lives, and only be allowed out to work in strictly supervised situations.”

Raef plans to be able to strictly control population in his world of Machines because artificial insemination will be the only form of reproduction and fetuses will develop in labs. “There’s no way sex or any form of human contact can be completely safe, nor pregnancy either” he says, “Besides, this way we can have exactly the right population to fill the machines.” Babies will be raised in their own rooms by robots that won’t make the sort of mistakes that parents can endanger their child with, and anyone who really wants to interact
with babies can do it over video chat.

Raef admits there have been some challenges with the first three Machines. Some occupants have resisted, a few have found ways out and destroyed infrastructure or even in one case, found and attacked Raef himself. Others have found ways to commit suicide inside their rooms. Raef is working on these issues. “Locks have been improved to the point that nobody has escaped in the last year. Rooms have been padded, and items that have serious potential to be used for self-harm have been eliminated. We’re determined that anyone living in Machines will have completely safe lives, which includes being safe from one’s self,” he stated. He even is testing out putting some people in
straitjackets if they don’t need the full use of their arms for their work. When asked why people have behaved in such ways, he seems both angry and a bit mystified. “I’ve dedicated my life to giving these people the ideal life, safe from harm,” he says, “A lot of people are just ungrateful for all the work I have done to help them. People act against their own interests all the time.” “These people are not qualified to make the best decisions for themselves,” he insists. “My education and experience has given me the skills to save the world, and I won’t let idiots who are too stupid to care for themselves tear
down the new world we’re building.”

Raef himself lives in a mansion in the hills that overlook San Francisco Bay. When asked whether he plans to move into a machine himself ever, he replies, "My own job of overseeing the construction and development of the Machines requires me to be mobile. I have to put myself at risk to create a world where others are safe. One day I may get the privilege of retiring to a Machine, but for now I have to stay where I am even if it means my own safety is compromised."

Occupants of Raef’s Machines have also gone into a rage over some of the conditions he has provided for them. Several times, people have been upset over the food they are receiving. Raef’s response to that is “All the food I’m giving them has been scientifically proven to be the most nutritious diet available, they should be thankful they get the benefit of world-class nutritionists who care about their needs.” Since occupants of the machines can only communicate with others and get information through technology that Raef controls, he can keep any unrest from getting too out of hand by censoring anything that he considers misinformation. Still, he’s concerned that some of the issues he’s had have come from outside agitators. “I think hackers
from Russia must be finding a way to get through to some of the occupants of my Machines. Why else would there be discontent in what’s the most perfect world created so far on our planet?” he theorizes. “Many people have even claimed they’re suffering strange illnesses, even though they are just the touch of a screen away from some of the best medical care in the world. What else could explain that but influence from outside agitators leading to psychosomatic disease?” he added.

Raef did eventually acknowledge that it’s possible that some people really do desire to be outside, have contact with others, and do things that can’t be done in a room with even the best of technology. His advice to anyone who feels this way is not to oppose the Machines but to embrace advances in bionic technology. “Let’s face it,” he says, “living our lives the way we have been is horribly unsafe.” “Once we have everyone safely inside Machines, we can put all our energy as a society into replacing our biological parts with bionic
ones. Once we have eliminated biology in ourselves and eventually in the larger world, it will be safe to come out of our rooms again. This is the way forward if we want to get out of our rooms, resisting the coming of the Machines is what backward idiots do.”

Raef recommends anyone that’s interested in a safe future who has any money to spare consider contributing to his charity MACS (Make America Completely Safe). MACS will spend your donations toward building and perfecting Machines as well as bionics research.

Re: Creating a Safe World

[temporaryreality]

Gee, this is spot-on, which is really a terrible indictment of the world we're living in today.

Also, Make America Completely Safe is brilliant (w/the whole forward/backward spin).

Mr. Greer's As of Yet Unrevealed Divination

[(Anonymous)]

Mr. Greer,

You previously mentioned doing a divination about the fallout from these vaccinations that was as of yet unconfirmed and not something you were willing to share (I apologize but I cannot remember where in these ever growing threads you said this).

I don't want to rush you. If you are not ready to share the results of that divinization than I trust you have your reasons. With that said, now that the break through cases are piling up my curiosity has got the better of me and I have to ask if you have some idea of when you might share this?

[(Anonymous)]

anyone with knee joints pain after COVID, never had them like this, I wonder if the spike protein attacks the joints tissue?

[(Anonymous)]

It can attack pretty much anything, it seems. If I may quote Stephen Harrod Buhner's Herbal Antivirals:

"Arthralgia (joint pain)
1. Boswellia carteri, 1,000mg 2x daily, or in acute cases, 2-3x daily. I prefer the Superior Labs formulation (which you can find by searching online), which contains 500mg boswellia, 100mg L-leucine, and 7.5mg of a piperine extract. The essential oil of boswellia (frankincense) applied topically may also help.
2. Bromelain, 500mg daily or, in acute cases, 3x daily. I prefer the Toniiq brand (again, you can find it online).
3. Piper methysticum (kava) 10:1 extract, instant powder, in a cup of hot water (with honey and cream), as needed or desired.
4. Cannabidiol (CBD) or Cannabis spp., as needed."

[(Anonymous)]

Blessings and gratitude to Mr. Greer and the commentariat for allowing me to share a few thoughts.

One of my favorite lines in the Course in Miracles is:
“What you must recognize is that when you do not share a thought system you are weakening it.”

Yes, standing strong and ignoring the “game” is tremendously powerful! Often that’s all that’s needed against the shrieking psy-op we vax skeptics are being subjected to.

Have you noticed how much louder a two-year-old screams when he knows he’s being ignored? I find it amusing to imagine the COVAX human megaphones as a sandbox of shrieking toddlers – complete with fully loaded, very smelly diapers!

But how to stop yourself from being mentally dragged into this crazy sandbox?

I decided to take some costume hints from Athena the goddess of wisdom. Have you noticed that:
(1) She wears a helmet to protect her mind, and
(2) She carries a spear to use on anyone who messes with her!

Well, I want to be wise and I like fashion, so in my imagination I decided to follow her fashion tips. First, I doff an imaginary helmet to guard against the pro-demonic mind spin. Then if the demons won’t go away on their own (they usually do, though), I bring out my fashion-accessory-imaginary-spear and apply it to them in ways that would involve very unDruidly descriptive language.

Folks, we need a strongly imaginative sense of humor now! I think it was Mel Brooks who once commented that he had a weapon far more dangerous than any nuclear bomb – that weapon was his WIT. Remember, no dictator can survive being laughed at.

[(Anonymous)]

Hello Anonymous,

I LOVE your idea of donning the imaginary helmet and spear!

Yes, humor is powerful. If you haven't already seen him, JP Sears is taking aim on YouTube. I am amazed that JP hasn't been taken down yet. Here's one of my favorites, about the censors:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wyIiFDcmdTM

PS Charlie Chaplin was a blazing genius.

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