Open (More or Less) Post on Covid 6

[ecosophia]

The semi-open posts  I've hosted here on the Covid-19 narrative, the inadequately tested experimental drugs for it, and the whole cascading mess surrounding them have continued to field a gargantuan (and increasing) number of comments, so I'm opening another space for discussion. The rules are the same as before: 

1. If you plan on parroting the party line of the medical industry and its paid shills, please go away. This is a place for people to talk openly, honestly, and freely about their concerns that the party line in question is dangerously flawed and that actions being pushed by the medical industry et al. are causing injury and death. It is not a place for you to dismiss those concerns. Anyone who wants to hear the official story and the arguments in favor of it can find those on hundreds of thousands of websites.

2. If you plan on insisting that the current situation is the result of a deliberate plot by some villainous group of people or other, please go away. There are tens of thousands of websites currently rehashing various conspiracy theories about the Covid-19 outbreak and the vaccines. This is not one of them. What we're exploring is the likelihood that what's going on is the product of the same arrogance, incompetence, and corruption that the medical industry and its tame politicians have displayed so abundantly in recent decades. That possibility deserves a space of its own for discussion, and that's what we're doing here. 

3. If you don't believe in treating people with common courtesy, please go away. I have, and enforce, a strict courtesy policy on my blogs and online forums, and this is no exception. The sort of schoolyard bullying that takes place on so many other internet forums will get you deleted and banned here. No, I don't care if you disagree with that: my journal, my rules. 

With that said, the floor is open for discussion. 

Comments

Interesting response from my employer

[industrialchemy]

The place where I work would fall under the mandates Biden mentioned last week, if they are actually implemented. A few days ago my boss asked if I would get the shots if the mandate went through. I thought about dissembling, but decided to simply state the truth, that I wouldn't. For context, the other two people in my department are in their 70s, and I'm being trained to take over. Losing me would definitely be a blow.

Today, I found out that I'm getting a $2/hr raise. I just got a similarly sized raise a few months ago. I think they hope that it will convince me to get the shot rather than leaving. I'm certainly glad for the extra money, but it doesn't change my mind. I guess if the mandates fall apart I will thank Biden for scaring my employer into paying me more.

Re: Interesting response from my employer

[(Anonymous)]

I'm reminded of an earlier development.

During the initial lockdowns in 2020, one of our local grocery chains gave their employees bonus pay. This was in recognition of their role as essential workers, and the risk they were taking. A few months later, the bonuses were ended.

Some aspects of the 'new normal' don't remain new for long.

[(Anonymous)]

Project Veritas is going to release exposing video on COVID vaccines https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HFmX6U514B0
There’s a link in a comments pinned section to a website where you can subscribe to their distribution list because they believe this video will be taken down. Interestingly enough that link just wouldn’t open in I-Pad safari browser. Had to open it in Opera.
Kyivan - 基辅罗斯人

[(Anonymous)]

I watched it, but I haven't settled on how I feel about it. Particularly concern for the others in her sting video that aren't toeing the line, if privately. Ive got some serious dissonance going on between their rights to privacy and the "greater good" of getting this info out there. Especially since a collective good has been the main attack the pro-gene-therapy crowd has been going with.. The whistle-blower has a gofundme (of course) but hasn't jumped a plane to russia, so I have no idea how she'll turn out, but I can't help feeling worried for the others.

[(Anonymous)]

Just wondering if anyone knows about the risks to the unjabbed if they received blood from the jabbed? Would it be the same as being vaccinated with whatever they had?

I hope I never need a blood transfusion as there is no way of knowing what kind of blood I would get as they don't ask when you give blood if you were jabbed and if so with what.

[(Anonymous)]

It stands to reason that you would get the spike protein in that donated blood, and it would do what it does. But it seems no one wants to think about anything reasonable these days.

Amber Arabesque Aardvark

Ronapreve

[(Anonymous)]

To add to the list of unbelievably-dumb-names-for-corona-treatments, "Ronapreve" has just been given emergency approval here in Australia.

We went from "the vaccines will end this" to delaying the inevitable in the space of months.

Re: Ronapreve

[mollari]

What is with the names? Seriously, they all sound completely ridiculous....

[tamanous2020]

It seems like the narrative is starting to take some additional blows on schedule JMG! Looks like the FDA advisory committee is heavily against a broad rollout of covid booster shots, directly in contradiction to the White House's plan.

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/rcna2074

[mollari]

The real question is whether they'll stick to it. If so, then things might be seriously changing....

Duramectin

[happypanda]

I have a tube of Duramectin (Duramectin Ivermectin Paste 1.87% for Horses, (0.21 oz) as a backup measure should I need it.

However, I don't know how to calculate how much of the paste I would need to take or how often. I haven't been able to find a page that gives a protocol for usage though I know people have mentioned using it successfully here and a few other forums I've browsed.

If anyone reading this has used it successfully I'd be grateful if you contacted me to explain the protocol you used. I have a Dreamwidth account so you can just send me an email there.

Re: Duramectin

[(Anonymous)]

I’d like to know how to calculate the dosage too.

—Lady Cutekitten

(samurai-mom@hotmail.com)

[troyjonesiii]

The WHO declines to report what percentage of its workforce is vaccinated...

https://www.msn.com/en-us/health/medical/while-urging-vaccination-who-declines-jab-data-on-its-staff/ar-AAOyrzd?ocid=msedgntp

"Confidential," they say. Oh really. Last year they didn't have a problem with publicly disclosing how many WHO staff had tested positive, but now that the question is about vaccination, they are suddenly super concerned about privacy and don't want to talk about it. Never mind that privacy and confidentiality have little to do with aggregate statistics.

Pretty sure if the percentage of jabbed WHO staff were 100%, or close to it, they would have no problem at all announcing that. Instead, we are left wondering what does the WHO know that we don't. Way to inspire confidence in your own vaccine there, soi-disant betters.

[temporaryreality]

Does that mean that WHO staff can answer "it's confidential" when they're asked to show a vaccine passport? pbbbttt.

No vaccine passports

[stcathalexandria]

The position of vaccine passports are OK if natural immunity is included means you are OK with the government approving your every movement and purchase.

Once the government and corporations have a way to ID you for one reason, they will use it for other reasons. Look at how they use your social security number now.

Just say NO to vaccine passports.

Re: No vaccine passports

[(Anonymous)]

Here here.

[(Anonymous)]

Thank you, Mark, I fully agree with your assessment of energy abundance and vaccination as core tenets of the religion of Progress.

This forum is one of the very few places where I dare to say this, but I'm one of those anti-vaxxers that the media keeps talking about. I have a university degree in a field related to health, and worked on research, and I have worked as a board member for an international organization that lobbies for certain health related goods and services and coordinates medical research. At a certain point in my career, I set out to study the safety of vaccines, and I was shocked. Most of what I found just didn’t hold up to scrutiny. And it got worse when I studied the evidence of the effectiveness of vaccines: if I had found the same data about any other medical intervention, it would be clear that it had to be taken off the market. But because they were vaccines, that was not an option: supposedly everybody knew they were safe and effective, so any evidence contrary must be inaccurate. And because all evidence that shows that vaccines are not that great must be buried, we are only left with positive stories about vaccines.

Just to be clear: I do not suspect any malicious plans behind the vaccination programs, nor do I believe that they cause autism. But they do cause harm in many other ways. I see vaccines as a remnant of what used to be a pretty neat idea, but one that doesn’t really pass the bar of an honest scientific evaluation, and that should have been discarded long ago but can’t be because it is so tied up to the belief in progress.

Right now, so many scientists, politicians and scientific organizations have put their names, careers and reputations on the line for the COVID-19 “vaccine”, that they will fight until the bitter end to defend it. In that sense, I am more pessimistic than John Michael Greer is in his initial hypotheses: for so many there is so much at stake, that they will not stop at anything to keep pushing the mainstream narrative, even way past the point that this would be reasonable. And a lot of people who have put their hopes in the religion of progress will do the same, they will do anything to prevent that the damage that has been done in its name becomes clear.
IF that ever becomes public knowledge, it would be a massive blow against the vaccination program for all diseases, and for science itself as well, which will probably never gain the same status ever again.

Just in case anybody mentions it: yes, I have read that study. And that book. I probably own it. Yes, I know about the allegations against that doctor. Yes, I’m a real researcher. Yes, some of my work has been published. And no: I cannot tell you my name, sorry.
Why? Because I am an anti-vaxxer, and as far as I can tell, vaccines are neither safe nor particularly effective.

[(Anonymous)]

I agree with you with regard to the biased nature of vaccine research in general, and I hope that this debacle might ultimately lead to some long-overdue scrutiny there.

As for the future, my sense is that the people who are controlling the narrative are *only* skilled in narrative manipulation. They will stop at nothing in that regard, but as more and more people stop listening they will not have much recourse. Just witness the waves that Joe Rogan and Nicki Minaj can make by questioning the narrative, and the inability of the narrative managers to craft a reasonable counterargument free of obvious disdain and ad hominem attacks.

This gives me a great deal of hope; authoritarianism and ideological totalitarianism require personal loyalty, particularly among the military and the police, and I don't see much in the way of loyalty to those pushing the dominant narrative at this time.

Mark L

[(Anonymous)]

Are the tides finally changing?
https://www.instagram.com/p/CT6EPuDD9xp/?utm_source=ig_web_copy_link

[(Anonymous)]

Hello JMG and everybody,
I would like to add to this conversation the facts around me that I am observing with my own 2 eyes. I work in a healthcare setting. I am the only one unvaccinated. Recently, my routine PCR test came back positive. I spent a pleasant week away from work while being paid and completely healthy. When I came back everyone was very sympathetic to me surviving the horror of being diagnosed with covid. I gave up explaining that nothing bad happened to me - I was healthy. Just after that, 2 people became miserably sick with flu/cold/allergy symptoms. Their PCR came back negative. The people were greatly relieved that their diseases were not covid. I've worked with these people for 10 years and don't remember them being that sick. Especially strange when this was the first half of September, not exactly a flu season. Normally, people go to the doctor and tell her that they are sick. In my case, the doctor came to me to say that I was sick while I felt perfectly fine. On the other hand, really sick people felt greatly relieved when learned the their sickness was from the unknown cause and not a particular virus. We live in the age of abstraction indead.

[(Anonymous)]

I have a close friend who, after being double-vaxxed, got really really sick with flu-like symptoms. He had 3 covid tests, all came back negative. Then, still really really sick, he had a fourth test-- yep, it was covid. So go figure. And how many people are going to bother having 4 tests anyway?

The Economist

[(Anonymous)]

Long time reader of The Economist here - nearly 200 years old, still going strong as a magazine with indepth coverage and reporting of the world (or "newspaper" as they call themselves).

They are very much a PMC outlet so I've generally not been surprised by their opinions on COVID, but the latest issue has really shocked me.

It's basically a paean to vaccine mandates and a lead story is "Why America Needs Vaccine Mandates", praising Biden and saying Republican opposition is completely wrong headed.

More than that it literally has the line somewhere (the subtitle to another article I think): "Coercion by governments has a role to play in public health".

I actually had to double-check I was reading the weekly email from The Economist and not something else.

How can they write a line like that with a straight face and claim to be newspaper promoting liberal Englightenment values??

It's like the ACLU (probably posted here before) which wrote reports in 2008/9 (swine flu time) and 2015 arguing strongly against vaccine mandates for many of the reasons we discuss here, but is now strongly *in favour* of coercive vaccine mandates and has filed a pro-mandate lawsuit arguing that vaccine mandates further freedom and written an op-ed in the New York Times making the same argument and quietly buried its own 2008 and 2015 reports (incidentally, the NYT op-ed was published a couple of days before the Biden vaccine mandate speech - somehow I don't think that was a coincidence).

Re: The Economist

[(Anonymous)]

This longtime reader of The Economist canceled her subscription, utterly disgusted, some months ago. The last issue I laid eyes on featured a full page ad for Google, need I say more.

Gaslighting

[(Anonymous)]

How is this for gaslighting?

By the Gates funded Guardian:

"There is the belief that we can control our bodies and that a powerful natural immune system is the best defence against Covid, not a vaccine.

After resisting the notion that Covid is even real (the so-called “scamdemic” or “plandemic”), now those who push conspiracy theories are holding their nerve, this time arguing that vaccines are either dangerous, part of a plot by Big Pharma to increase profits, or not for well people who have strong immune systems"

The message is that nice man from Big Pharma will take care of your health so you don't need to take responsibility for anything.

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2021/sep/17/from-crackpot-covid-theorists-to-antivaxxers-hubris-and-fear-haunt-the-wellness-community?CMP=fb_gu&utm_medium=Social&utm_source=Facebook&fbclid=IwAR15VFqPklB5Jyd9W4vYoNrmR4sOHj4QTnHsd05MwkzMnhpxFMaqfbXx7tc#Echobox=1631832120

Also if good health comes at the point of a needle then junkies should be an example to us all!?

Re: Gaslighting

[(Anonymous)]

"...part of a plot by Big Pharma to increase profits"

Good heavens, how absurd!

Giant pharmaceutical corporations that give gobs of money to politicians for high-minded reasons and who support the mainstream media through advertising dollars for the sake of communicating with the public for our own good, influencing health policy? What kind of a deranged conspiracy theory IS that?!

Next you'll be telling me that the automobile industry helped destroy public transportation in the mid-20th century, that the military-industrial complex actually wants war, and that the banking industry influences financial policies!

Astrology and Covid

[frittermywig]

I was reviewing some past MM posts just now, and had a startling experience. On December 23, 2019, an anonymous poster asked, "What is your guess what will start on January 12th, with Saturn and Pluto in Capricorn?"

JMG's response: "It would not surprise me, given that an afflicted Uranus is rising at the moment of that conjunction (as seen from Washington DC), if something very secret, disreputable, and disruptive were to be made messily public around that time."

And that's exactly when we first began to hear reports from China about a new virus. I'm having a This-Stuff-Works moment.

Re: Astrology and Covid

[(Anonymous)]

So when does it end ?! I am scrolling like a mad person on a hamster wheel of propaganda trying to work out how on earth it can end with this much investment plumbed in. Feeling: sad and desperate

[(Anonymous)]

When you think is all an Illuminati conspiracy, or other high scheme, remember the explanation of what is happening now is very, very simple, cure is not in the books, because is not sustainable, is all about the money.
Take it here from the Church's bulletin mouth:
https://www.cnbc.com/2018/04/11/goldman-asks-is-curing-patients-a-sustainable-business-model.html

When early peak oilers talk about sustainability they talk about nature sustainability, when elite talks about sustainability is all economical talk.

Is no wonder that among the highest skeptics are the early peak oilers is just a paradigm war.

[(Anonymous)]

Dr Malone noticed too and talks about the accidents generated by the people suddenly collapsing:
Spent the evening with a group of Portuguese health care providers and policy influencers. One of the hot topics was the apparent jump in sudden death (cardiac, cerebral vascular events) leading to car crashes, death on the street etc. - associated with recent receipt of vaccine
This is a great example of why "all cause" mortality needs to be monitored and analyzed carefully. Because there can be unanticipated deaths associated with a treatment which otherwise are judged to be unrelated. Who would imagine a vaccine being related to car crashes?


https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1439204302648655879.html

Cracks in the Narrative

[(Anonymous)]

Looks like the Nicki Minaj Twitter takedown is turning into something that is starting to cause seriously awkward trouble for the narrative. Apparently the latest is that, Twitter restored, she made some comment about how is Pfizer's stock doing, and that got her thrown off Twitter again. She is now on a new social media site, which you can view, along with her snappy uber-rude style, at this link:

https://t.me/s/NickiMinajReaI

Fuschia Deli-going Grasshopper

Re: Cracks in the Narrative

[(Anonymous)]

telegram is nice, without all those algorithms nor AIs, Nicki joining telegram will help the twitter exodus, would have been nice if she announced her parting with twitter

[(Anonymous)]

Yesterday the FDA had a livestream of their Vaccines and Related Biological Products Advisory Committee’s open virtual meeting #167. The link: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WFph7-6t34M

Here’s a few quotes from this US government-sponsored meeting of their own officials and medical professionals with the time stamps (be aware that was an all-day 8 hour meeting, you’ll definitely want to use the time stamps):

"Herd immunity using the vaccine is impossible." 4:15:00

"The vaccine caused 71x more heart attacks in the vaccinated than any other vaccine." 4:20:00

"...vaccines, boosters, and mandates are all nonsensical." 4:21:00

"We killed two people to save one life." 4:21:30

"[The number of deaths per million doses administered - 411:1M] translates into about 150,000 people have died (from receiving the vaccine in just the U.S.)." 4:21:50

"The real numbers confirm that we kill more than we save." 4:22:00

"In the most optimistic study (for 90-year-olds) it means 50% of the vaccinated died, and 0% of the unvaccinated died." 4:22:20

The meeting was live captioned and there is a transcript from the captions here: https://www.captionedtext.com/client/event.aspx?EventID=4907961&CustomerID=321

Note there are no time stamps in the transcript so if you want to find the above quotes you'll have to do a search. I had to search "71" to find the second quote.

[(Anonymous)]

Thanks very much for the quotes.

The transcript link doesn't work for me. Apparently it expects me to be a subscriber already, or something. I would love to have a transcript.

Thank you

[(Anonymous)]

Dear John Michael Greer,
Thank you so very much for hosting this discussion forum. I don't think anyone else out there on the world wide web could have moderated this anywhere near so well as you have, keeping it courteous, blocking trolls, and keeping the focus on what is not already in mainstream narrative, and ever-flourishing conspiracy theories. This forum has been incredibly helpful for me on many levels-- I have been reading almost every one of the posts. I can only imagine how much time this takes for you to manage. Just: Thank You.
Polka-dot Oblivious Pug

More Cracks/Another Courageous Whistleblower

[(Anonymous)]

I posted an earlier link to the interview with the British funeral director. Despite the fact that I rarely watch videos, here's an even more compelling interview: https://thehighwire.com/videos/these-patients-deserve-to-be-heard-vaers-whistleblower/ that I just finished watching (nearly one hour, but riveting). Her name is Deborah Conrad, a Physicians Assistant at a small hospital somewhere in NY state. Her story revolves around VAERS and the likelihood of massive under-reporting of vaccine induced harm. It's quite shocking and I'm in awe of her courage. Highly recommended for those who like to watch, and I'm hoping it will again elicit many comments. Thank you JMG for hosting this amazing forum!

[open_space]

Asteroids hitting earth are a bad omen right?

One is predicted to land between Europe and Africa on October 20, 2021

https://cneos.jpl.nasa.gov/pd/cs/pdc21/pdc21_day2_briefing1.pdf

[ecosophia]

Did you notice that this is an exercise, not an actual impact warning?

Mandatory Vaccine Protest

[deng]

https://www.bostonglobe.com/2021/09/17/metro/protesters-rally-against-baker-vaccine-mandate-outside-state-house/

My wife and I made the Boston Globe newspaper. I'm the miserable looking old guy in front blue scrub top and glasses with my arm around my beautiful wife:)

Click on Read the full article button. We are second picture. Liberal rag not very flattering article and under counted. Den

Re: Mandatory Vaccine Protest

[methylethyl]

Congratulations! It looks like y'all had a good turnout!

[(Anonymous)]

Various of the things we’ve been discussing, especially JMG’s demon hypothesis:

https://www.theamericanconservative.com/dreher/west-sympathy-for-the-devil-individualism/

I used to work with a guy who mentioned once he and his (also gay) brother avoided Pride events because they brought out the lunatic fringe. I said I wasn’t surprised seeing how pride is the sin of Lucifer, you’d expect ugly costumes, ugly behavior, ugly everything . I had to explain all that as he grew up Protestant in a denomination that must not have done much Bible reading. He was quite interested. That p-word is, more often than not, a giveaway. The encouragement of being proud of yourself for submitting to the experimental therapy rings my alarm bells.

Lady Cutekitten of Lolcat

Covid prophylaxis and treatment recap

[(Anonymous)]

Bear in mind that I am not only not a physician, I don't even play one on the radio! Here are the most basic rules as I understand them now, wide open to expansion and correction.

Supplements legally available without prescription (in the US and similar countries with liberal nutritional supplement regimes) :

Zinc (I take 30 milligrams a day of zinc gluconate; there are many other formulations. This is one of those vague "general health" things, with the exception that an adequate level of zinc often seems to prevent loss of smell and taste from many causes, including Covid.

Vitamin C (I take 250 milligrams a day of the cheap stuff, made mainly from rose hips. Vitamin C is water soluble, so if you take more than your body can use or store, it gets bounced by your kidneys.)

JMG has offered lots of helpful advice about cell salts. Just search for his relevant posts.

Drugs that may require a prescription in some countries, and whose very existence in the US defies Our Holy Branch Covidian Faith:

Hydrochloroquine: Commonly taken in a small dose as a weekly prophylaxis against malaria. Often causes at least mild diarrhea, which causes lots of "Saturday night jogging" jokes in the malaria-infested parts of Brazil. Use must begin at least a few weeks before disease onset.

I cannot suggest any method of access to this common drug in the US. After the current control system has come apart some more, and barter and off-the-books trading are larger parts of the economy, everybody will know a friendly neighborhood smuggler, who can get you your Ford F-150 parts the dealership doesn't have, or a years' supply of Brazilian malaria pills. Or if the crisis of faith results in a major revulsion of feeling, every drugstore might have it, and your doctor will be able to prescribe it as a Covid precaution without getting in trouble.

Ivermectin: Yes, this is the one that slips through the veterinary exemption in the US, if you can calculate your own dose. AS the public personality said, "I'm feeling a lot better now, but I must admit I'm still a little horse!" Can be used for prophylaxis, or started after you come down with something that might be Covid. Starting early with a prophylactic regime is much better for river blindness and a couple of other ghastly African diseases. As far as I know, no use against dengue, which somebody mentioned; that's viral, but not the right kind of virus.

Why do medications designed to make life tough for parasites somehow work on a virus? Nobody seems to know, although there's a Nobel lurking for whoever proves a mechanism.

Are there other commonly used and cheap medications that can prevent or help treat Covid? Undoubtedly, and hundreds of people are working on it, although in the US and its vassals it would be dangerous to be too publicly successful. China was doing a kind of public-private Hundred Flowers campaign in early and mid-2020; I haven't heard any results lately. They may have deemphasized it because they think they have Covid under control. One fun early result was taking one antacid tablet each day, which reduced positive test results by 25%, but only for the really cheap nasty antacids, not the fancy brand names.

Re: Covid prophylaxis and treatment recap

[(Anonymous)]

At least in Australia, one can buy cinchona bark online and from brew shops for hobbyists who like to make their own tonic water. Cinchona bark is the source of quinine, of which hydroxychloroquine is a manufactured analogue. One can make decoction teas or port wine tinctures and follow the traditional malarial daily dosing. The problem is that quinine analogues have a much narrower profile of therapeutic effect. It just isn't as safe as ivermectin for newbies to muck around with, which is why my bag is still sitting sealed in the shed for now. Also, it tastes pretty awful for something that needs to be taken daily and indefinitely, far, far more bitter than tonic water.

Project Veritas

[methylethyl]

Right on schedule, James O'Keefe of Project Veritas has announced an upcoming series of progressively-more-incriminating video from inside the FDA, drug companies, the fedgov, and others, about the vaccines.

(rubs hands in anticipation)

I hope this is good. I'm looking at that last FDA hearing as a prelude.

As usual, they're mum on any important details until the videos actually come out. First one drops on Monday evening (Sept 20).

https://gab.com/ProjectVeritas/posts/106955498762495636

Re: Project Veritas

[(Anonymous)]

Two years ago at this time, I never would have imagined that me and James O'Keefe would be on the same side. Strange peaches, these days are. --Mr. Nobody