Open (More or Less) Post on Covid 5
Sep. 7th, 2021 12:14 pm![[personal profile]](https://www.dreamwidth.org/img/silk/identity/user.png){kind=small}
ecosophia
The semi-open posts I've hosted here on the Covid-19 narrative, the inadequately tested experimental drugs for it, and the whole cascading mess surrounding them have continued to field a huge number of comments, so I'm opening another space for discussion. The rules are the same as before: 1. If you plan on parroting the party line of the medical industry and its paid shills, please go away. This is a place for people to talk openly, honestly, and freely about their concerns that the party line in question is dangerously flawed and that actions being pushed by the medical industry et al. are causing injury and death. It is not a place for you to dismiss those concerns. Anyone who wants to hear the official story and the arguments in favor of it can find those on hundreds of thousands of websites.
2. If you plan on insisting that the current situation is the result of a deliberate plot by some villainous group of people or other, please go away. There are tens of thousands of websites currently rehashing various conspiracy theories about the Covid-19 outbreak and the vaccines. This is not one of them. What we're exploring is the likelihood that what's going on is the product of the same arrogance, incompetence, and corruption that the medical industry and its tame politicians have displayed so abundantly in recent decades. That possibility deserves a space of its own for discussion, and that's what we're doing here.
3. If you don't believe in treating people with common courtesy, please go away. I have, and enforce, a strict courtesy policy on my blogs and online forums, and this is no exception. The sort of schoolyard bullying that takes place on so many other internet forums will get you deleted and banned here. No, I don't care if you disagree with that: my journal, my rules.
With that said, the floor is open for discussion.
Re: List of "Died Unexpectedly"
Date: 2021-09-07 08:05 pm (UTC)https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hank_Aaron#Later_life_and_death
Re: List of "Died Unexpectedly"
Date: 2021-09-07 08:07 pm (UTC)Here is the link for the covidblog for those who are interested -
https://thecovidblog.com/
Re: Immune tolerance hypothesis
Date: 2021-09-07 08:07 pm (UTC)(no subject)
Date: 2021-09-07 08:09 pm (UTC)(no subject)
Date: 2021-09-07 08:09 pm (UTC)Demonic Influences on COVID vaccine divinations.
Date: 2021-09-07 08:10 pm (UTC)(no subject)
Date: 2021-09-07 08:11 pm (UTC)(no subject)
Date: 2021-09-07 08:12 pm (UTC)https://ecosophia.dreamwidth.org/146211.html?page=2#comments
If I remember a get is 2 or more of one number in a sequence of numbers?
(no subject)
Date: 2021-09-07 08:14 pm (UTC)Re: IncellDX, long covid with Epstein Barr Virus (mononucleosis)
Date: 2021-09-07 08:15 pm (UTC)Re: Biden's Speech
Date: 2021-09-07 08:15 pm (UTC)(no subject)
Date: 2021-09-07 08:22 pm (UTC)(no subject)
Date: 2021-09-07 08:22 pm (UTC)Re: Forbes article on the effects of Covid restrictions on schoolchildren.
Date: 2021-09-07 08:25 pm (UTC)(no subject)
Date: 2021-09-07 08:29 pm (UTC)Re: Unplugging from media
Date: 2021-09-07 08:29 pm (UTC)Re: Biden's Speech
Date: 2021-09-07 08:30 pm (UTC)Re: Immune tolerance hypothesis
Date: 2021-09-07 08:34 pm (UTC)(no subject)
Date: 2021-09-07 08:36 pm (UTC)Because we've seen numerous examples of horror stories being flat out made up out of whole cloth. The Rolling Stone article on ivermectin is just the most recent example.
Re: Immune tolerance hypothesis
Date: 2021-09-07 08:46 pm (UTC)https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/excess-mortality-p-scores?country=USA~GBR
Re: Immune tolerance hypothesis
Date: 2021-09-07 08:55 pm (UTC)I must say that all sides seem to expect the near-term future to be very ugly and are laying the groundwork to blame the Others for it. Right now some vaxxed people are saying that it's all the fault of the wicked unvaxxed that the hospitals are filling up, even though vaxxed people are also spreading covid. You describe this as "the shrill claims of the fearful," but then speculate about how the vaxxed will "present much greater danger" to the innocent unvaxxed by generating new variants, though just as much evolution occurs during replication in unvaxxed people. And goodness knows, the people who claim that you can get every disease in the book from passing a vaccinated person on the sidewalk could be called shrill and fearful.
Suppose that this time next year a lot of people, vaxxed and unvaxxed equally, are dying of the Omega strain. Will the whole discourse still be about assigning blame? The vaxxed saying the unvaxxed must have made it happen, and vice versa? A lot of this speculation seems to me to be about setting up that fight - which means that nobody on either side thinks next year it will just be common cold coronavirus #5, and they're all scrambling to set up scapegoats.
(no subject)
Date: 2021-09-07 08:57 pm (UTC)Re: Immune tolerance hypothesis
Date: 2021-09-07 08:58 pm (UTC)Mark L
(no subject)
Date: 2021-09-07 09:04 pm (UTC)The reason this made me pause is that much of it could be provided if there was a massive die off. The working/meditation called for the following to be provided:
Free energy technologies to power all machines with no pollution or on-going costs
Abundant clean water for all human, animal, and plant needs
Abundant locally grown organic food for each community
Abundant health care for everyone using inexpensive, highly effective natural methods with no harmful side-effects
Well, if a good portion of the world died, then we'd have more energy available for the remainder; we'd need less water; the ensuing disruptions to global trade would mean much more food would be local, organic (since pesticides would be harder to get), and abundant per person (since there'd be fewer people); and the ensuing crisis of legitimacy for modern medicine would persuade people to switch over to natural methods of health care.
This is now making me wonder just how much of the coronavirus event is the blowback from the poorly thought out magic the neopagan scene flung around in the last few years...
(no subject)
Date: 2021-09-07 09:07 pm (UTC)Of course there is selection bias, as it is the people who are seeing the worst problems who write in to websites like this. Also, I have to say, are we sure that all these comments are legit? Telling people that if they go to the ICU unvaxxed they will either die or leave a vegetable hooked up to machines and a surgically implanted feeding tube (that's what "pegged" means ... get an advance directive signed THIS WEEK if you can...) would certainly be a great way to terrorize people into getting vaccinated. Which, at this point, still looks like probably the better choice to me. However, how do we know that some of these lurid they're-alllll-veggies-now stories are not in the same category as those gunshot victims, lined up in their parkas waiting for treatment while the ER works on the ivermectin overdoses?