Open (More or Less) Post on Covid 5

[ecosophia]

The semi-open posts  I've hosted here on the Covid-19 narrative, the inadequately tested experimental drugs for it, and the whole cascading mess surrounding them have continued to field a huge number of comments, so I'm opening another space for discussion. The rules are the same as before: 

1. If you plan on parroting the party line of the medical industry and its paid shills, please go away. This is a place for people to talk openly, honestly, and freely about their concerns that the party line in question is dangerously flawed and that actions being pushed by the medical industry et al. are causing injury and death. It is not a place for you to dismiss those concerns. Anyone who wants to hear the official story and the arguments in favor of it can find those on hundreds of thousands of websites.

2. If you plan on insisting that the current situation is the result of a deliberate plot by some villainous group of people or other, please go away. There are tens of thousands of websites currently rehashing various conspiracy theories about the Covid-19 outbreak and the vaccines. This is not one of them. What we're exploring is the likelihood that what's going on is the product of the same arrogance, incompetence, and corruption that the medical industry and its tame politicians have displayed so abundantly in recent decades. That possibility deserves a space of its own for discussion, and that's what we're doing here. 

3. If you don't believe in treating people with common courtesy, please go away. I have, and enforce, a strict courtesy policy on my blogs and online forums, and this is no exception. The sort of schoolyard bullying that takes place on so many other internet forums will get you deleted and banned here. No, I don't care if you disagree with that: my journal, my rules. 

With that said, the floor is open for discussion. 

Comments

[(Anonymous)]

Yep, that's the way I feel. I'm someone who was hesitant but ultimately made the choice to get the J & J vaccine. Now I feel regret, and maybe even less so for potential long-term health effects, but being associated with everything else that has come with the vaccine program. I am vehemently opposed to vaccine mandates.

I did not vote for Biden (or Trump). I'm in no way aligned with the Democratic Party, but people probably consider me left-leaning, though I consider myself more independent. Hearing Biden's speech makes me think this is going to further confuse the assumed political divisions in our country. I wouldn't be surprised if this is going to further drive people away from voting Democrat, even people who have been anti-Republican most of their life.

Re: PCR test explanation

[(Anonymous)]

Actually at high enough cycles you begin to get to the protein fragment level which can be shared among many organisms. DNA is a sequence of proteins. Many viruses share proteins as well as sequences of proteins. Yes there will be truly positive cases but the error level is so high that statistically PCR cannot diagnose anything when run at the high cycles that have been mandated. You can also get a positive test when you drive a swab into the recesses of a human nostril. It does not mean they are infected even if the virus is alive in the nostril. PCR is not a diagnostic tool and none of this is about a virus that has been endemic for probably tens to hundreds of thousands of years.

Re: Recapitulating - Where do we stand?

[mitchell2]

significant consideration should be given at this point to the soon to be ubiquitous access to oral pills by working like ivermectin (protease inhibitor) - both in terms of the motivation to get the last of the fools on board for vaccines, and how it will affect the overall pandemic.
If the experience in Africa is to be believed - it will be over imminently
https://www.paulcraigroberts.org/wp-content/uploads/2021/09/image-1-940x524.png

Re: UK Report

[(Anonymous)]

Exactly how are they determining Delta vs Alpha?

[(Anonymous)]

Hello,

A anecdotal data point: our parish priest mentioned today that there are a lot of deaths happening right now, and he seemed very worried, is words ' during 2020 yes there were some deaths, but now we are seeing so many more deaths'.

Parish situated in a suburb north east of Montreal, Québec Canada.

Take care,

Re: an AAR from Australia

[(Anonymous)]

It's been happening since before covid. My partner is a nurse and her job is the most ridiculously hard and thankless job there is, and for the past 4 years the whole system has been completely dysfunctional. I think it's just a symptom of decline, Australia's public health system is insanely expensive and complicated for such a relatively small population and we just can't afford it anymore. It's also being used against is with all the lockdown crap.

[(Anonymous)]

Agreed as a former lawyer I don't have much hope for this to be sorted out through formal legal channels. As a big, complex institution it's liable to all the same capture as the others. The only way out is to shed as much dependence on the big institutions as possible.

[(Anonymous)]

This could explain why social media seems like it was designed to increase partisanship: if the demons behind it knew they wanted to get people in the managerial class to sell their souls later, they'd need to ramp up the partisanship to absurd levels in advance. No one who's thinking clearly would ever sell their soul merely to get rid of a president: only people who are already rabidly partisan would even consider it...

Re: Recapitulating - Where do we stand?

[(Anonymous)]

Totally agree w this. Youre the one doing yeomans work on this. I appreciate youre drawing attention to the intracies of ADE and also measuring it. If you think im not off base thats a good sign although my gut tells me pretty strongly that yes we are on a train, as you say. This may not end swiftly. - Celadon

[(Anonymous)]

An important thing to remember about Australia is that it is huge and outside the southern coastal areas relatively empty. It's roughly the size of the continental USA with a population smaller than California. The utter craziness therefore has been mostly confined to the two largest cities Sydney and Melbourne, as there is a difference between making a law and enforcing it. The government simply doesn't have the scope to manage the wilder inland parts of the country, or the tropical Northern coast. In fact it can't really control much outside of cities and is depending on voluntary buy in which it seems to be getting. That's probably why the laws are so insane; it's indicative of a government that is paranoid of losing control. In the rural agricultural area where I live businesses have closed, and a lot of people have bought into the madness, but the prison is basically voluntary. Australia is too untamable and it's always laughable to us what the coastal cities do. There is something old, deep and terrifying that lurks within the soul of this continent.
You feel it at night when you walk in the forest or on the plains. I have noticed that when I have travelled to other countries it is not present. Perhaps it is now seeking revenge.

[(Anonymous)]

Hi JMG,

If I’m understanding the news correctly, the vaccinazis are giving the proletariat 75 days to subject ourselves to the experimental gene therapy. Do you anticipate the “vaccine “ [unDruidly word] hitting the fan within that time period? I remember one of your charts was predicting a big blowup and was wondering if this ill-advised move by the Democrats might be it.

This could work out well for people who want jobs and don’t mind taking a test every week. You think there was a labor shortage before...

—Lady Cutekitten

[(Anonymous)]

"So is the combination of moral and intellectual collapse -- the fact that the ACLU is now claiming that forcing people to receive an experimental drug against their will is a pro-civil rights measure is a classic example. That kind of crazed non sequitur in defense of evil is the kind of thing you get from people under demonic influence."

Would the arguments that the vaccine is very effective and very safe, and that therefore the pandemic is among the unvaccinated, who need to take the vaccine in order to protect the vaccinated, be another good example?

[(Anonymous)]

Hi. Long time JMG follower, first time commenter.
For anyone who is, like me, stunned by how much things have changed in such a short time, I'd like to recommend one of the best books I've ever read: Eric Hoffer's The True Believer, which looks at the nature of mass movements capable of making huge changes to societies in relatively short times. Examples of such movements include Christianity, the Bolshevik revolution, and the Nazi movement in 1930's Germany.
Hoffer focuses on the psychology of those who are strongest adherents of the mass movements - the True Believers.
I believe in understanding what you're dealing with, even if you don't like the reality of it. And this is one of the best explanations I've seen of the insanity around us.
A few snippets that match many people's descriptions here of dealing with those who used to be sane:
"All active mass movements strive . . . to impose a fact-free screen between the faithful and the realities of the world. . The facts on which the true believer bases his conclusions must not be derived from his experience or observation but from holy writ. . . To rely on the evidence of the senses and of reason is heresy and treason."
"There is thus an illiterate air about the most literate true believer. He seems to use words as if he were ignorant of their true meaning."
"Mass movements can rise and spread without belief in a God, but never without belief in a devil. Usually the strength of a mass movement is proportionate to the vividness and tangibility of its devil." This to me explains in large part how this movement coalesced so quickly. The devil went from being intangibles like "structural racism" to the very tangible "unvaccinated".
I'm afraid there isn't much about how to deal with this if you're in the middle of it, as so many of us are.
But he does point out that "What seems to count more than possession of instruments of power is faith in the future." So my current hope is that more experience with vaccines and boosters will slowly drain the faith. As JMG has pointed out, a faith that promises results in the real world will lose followers when it fails to deliver.
But I think we're in for a long, hard ride.
Darkwing

Re: Typos

[(Anonymous)]

Original critic here. I meant no offense! I just know when I read something, too many typos make me start to wonder if it's important since they obviously didn't take the time to proofread it. Just trying to be helpful. It really is a good letter.

I currently work for the government. According to Joe Biden, I may writing a similar letter soon myself.

This is so unhinged

[(Anonymous)]

This is just the first (and last for sanity's sake) story I clicked on

https://www.news.com.au/lifestyle/health/delta-variant-will-reach-everybody-who-is-not-vaccinated/news-story/4409bb55098c64e411a9972e08115ae9

I think Australia may end up topping the table as far as covid crazy

"The woman who designed the AstraZeneca vaccine has issued a chilling warning that the Delta variant is so transmissible it will eventually “reach everybody who is not vaccinated”, sparking predictions that those that refuse the jab may soon become shunned and ostracised.

Writing in The Australian newspaper, columnist Robert Gottliebsen forecast a world where the unvaccinated are regarded with suspicion and caution."

We're not human beings any more, we are 'The vaccinated' and The Unvaccinated'

I also heard that the great "Rebel Broadcaster" Howard Stern is applauding the death of those not jabbed. Oh, and Jimmy Kimmel made a nasty joke. And that Doc who said that they shouldn't be treated.

I'm sure there's a bunch of other examples

Demonic? What else could it be???

This will not end well...

Helen in Oz

[weilong]

I don't live there anymore, but since when does the president of the USA have the authority to require that? I know, I know... it's been creeping up slowly for a long time.

Seriously, though, is it still a dictatorship if somebody new gets to wear the dictator hat every four years?

[temporaryreality]

Thank you! I hadn't thought of that poem in a long time and am adding it to my book of collected poems.

[(Anonymous)]

My the Lord God protect us all.

[tamanous2020]

Thanks for sharing open_space, that is an eternal classic. One more poem to add, a favorite that might be of comfort by Dylan Thomas:

Do not go gentle into that good night,
Old age should burn and rave at close of day;
Rage, rage against the dying of the light.

Though wise men at their end know dark is right,
Because their words had forked no lightning they
Do not go gentle into that good night.

Good men, the last wave by, crying how bright
Their frail deeds might have danced in a green bay,
Rage, rage against the dying of the light.

Wild men who caught and sang the sun in flight,
And learn, too late, they grieved it on its way,
Do not go gentle into that good night.

Grave men, near death, who see with blinding sight
Blind eyes could blaze like meteors and be gay,
Rage, rage against the dying of the light.

And you, my father, there on the sad height,
Curse, bless, me now with your fierce tears, I pray.
Do not go gentle into that good night.
Rage, rage against the dying of the light.

[(Anonymous)]

The thing is that at $14,000 dollars a violation, it would be easier for basically everyone to just stop service altogether than hire the unvaxxed. Assuming this survives in court, I'm willing to bet that a ton of places will just stop service altogether.

[(Anonymous)]

Add in that you'll see the same with air traffic controllers as well....

[(Anonymous)]

This is quite clearly a desperation move! This tells me that something really big is coming in the days or weeks (not months) ahead...

[(Anonymous)]

I noticed that word too....

[violetcabra]

Agreed! The wording of the speech is egregious.

[violetcabra]

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/09/09/us/politics/biden-vaccine-mandates-transcript.html