Open (More or Less) Post on Covid 5
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ecosophia
The semi-open posts I've hosted here on the Covid-19 narrative, the inadequately tested experimental drugs for it, and the whole cascading mess surrounding them have continued to field a huge number of comments, so I'm opening another space for discussion. The rules are the same as before: 1. If you plan on parroting the party line of the medical industry and its paid shills, please go away. This is a place for people to talk openly, honestly, and freely about their concerns that the party line in question is dangerously flawed and that actions being pushed by the medical industry et al. are causing injury and death. It is not a place for you to dismiss those concerns. Anyone who wants to hear the official story and the arguments in favor of it can find those on hundreds of thousands of websites.
2. If you plan on insisting that the current situation is the result of a deliberate plot by some villainous group of people or other, please go away. There are tens of thousands of websites currently rehashing various conspiracy theories about the Covid-19 outbreak and the vaccines. This is not one of them. What we're exploring is the likelihood that what's going on is the product of the same arrogance, incompetence, and corruption that the medical industry and its tame politicians have displayed so abundantly in recent decades. That possibility deserves a space of its own for discussion, and that's what we're doing here.
3. If you don't believe in treating people with common courtesy, please go away. I have, and enforce, a strict courtesy policy on my blogs and online forums, and this is no exception. The sort of schoolyard bullying that takes place on so many other internet forums will get you deleted and banned here. No, I don't care if you disagree with that: my journal, my rules.
With that said, the floor is open for discussion.
Re: Forbes article on the effects of Covid restrictions on schoolchildren.
Date: 2021-09-09 02:06 am (UTC)Well, it can change for you and your kids if you make up your mind to do it and then do it."
Er, the reason I don't homeschool my kids is because I don't have kids.
My point is that just because you can make a strong argument for homeschooling doesn't mean that the vast majority of people who are wedded to the idea of school are going to suddenly "see the light" and start homeschooling. It doesn't work that way.
First, some people really can't homeschool. This group includes the people barely be making ends meet with two people in the workforce, single parents (how does a single parent earn a living and homeschool at the same time?), and people who are themselves illiterate (yes, I realize that doesn't say much about the schooling they got, but how exactly do you homeschool if, like my childhood playmate's mother, you literally can't even read?) Second, and more importantly, a lot of people don't want to homeschool. Some just like sending their kids away to be babysat all day, and no amount of telling them that's not what's best for their kid is likely to change their minds. And many, many more people simply believe in school. They went to school, they deeply believe that school is good, and they want their kids to be in school.
I'm not making a value judgement against homeschooling. I'm just pointing out the reality as I have observed it all around me.
Maybe someday that will change, but it's going to take quite a while, possibly a whole generation.
Which doesn't help the kids stuck attending school in masks six feet apart right now, in 2021, whose parent(s) are not going to homeschool. Which was my point.
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Date: 2021-09-09 02:16 am (UTC)Re: Long but well-worth reading article on the cacomagic of masks
Date: 2021-09-09 02:22 am (UTC)https://leftlockdownsceptics.com/2021/08/the-pandemic-response-as-contemporary-imperialism/?doing_wp_cron=1631123027.8833909034729003906250
I would have used the word "neo-liberalism" for "progressivism" in that article based on my own understanding of the more-common meanings of those words, but the point of the article stands.
Re: Immune tolerance hypothesis
Date: 2021-09-09 02:29 am (UTC)Hospitals in Idaho are left to their own decisions about vaccine mandates. Some have shed a lot of employees, from what I've heard, between refusals to take the vaccines, some solidarity with the refusers, and some self-interest in not wishing to pick up the work of so many others.
I have not investigated this matter: we've been dealing with a medical problem of aging in general ill-health, including a day-trip without admission to the local hospital, this week, but I can assure you that our hospital is dealing with old, sick non-Covid patients in the normal way, and if Dad for once in his life will do the parts he doesn't want to of what the Docs tell him, he'll be fine.
BoysMom
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Date: 2021-09-09 02:33 am (UTC)I found this on web though
https://eminetra.co.uk/skidrow-in-philadelphia-the-video-shows-the-homeless-crisis-in-a-city-where-dozens-of-people-camp-around-a-trash-can-fire/357221/
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Date: 2021-09-09 02:35 am (UTC)(no subject)
Date: 2021-09-09 02:39 am (UTC)What changed? I'm not certain, but I happen to know that several employees who pushed back (basically a "sorry, not getting it, am I fired?") happened to be African American. The people at the top gung-ho for the vaccines were all white. I suspect that someone might have figured out that having several black people quit because of rules imposed by white people, or having black employees disproportionately sporting muzzles, all in a very "woke" sector, might not have looked good.
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Date: 2021-09-09 02:45 am (UTC)You can find the book here: https://archive.org/details/the-forest-passage
Sapienter Si Sincere
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Date: 2021-09-09 02:47 am (UTC)"Angered at their defeat in the Nacirman Civil War, some of the followers of the High Priestess Notnilc sold their souls to demons to receive supernatural powers to wage war against their opponents. Lead by the Mad Wizard Sehguh, they waged war against the King in Orange, eventually narrowly defeating him and installing their King Nedib in his place. Now, the demons have come to collect their end of the bargain, by tricking people into taking poison disguised as necessary medicine. Those who resist are forced from their homes by people tricked by malevolent magic into believing all who do not drink the potion are spreading the black death..."
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Date: 2021-09-09 02:48 am (UTC)Being under Thot rulership KEK along with other 7 deities is part of Ogdoad and thus of the cosmic order.
People "worshiping" KEK didn't want others to suffer but some rejoiced a bit though when people fell into their own wicked schemes, a bit childish, but arguably within ethical bounds, which is what every fairytale would teach. This is a good incentive for people who are not interested in goodness for the goodness sake.
(no subject)
Date: 2021-09-09 02:53 am (UTC)Add all of that together, and it is possible that this is the result of the neopagan scene's malevolent and incompetent magic...
Re: Spirit Sans Personality
Date: 2021-09-09 02:54 am (UTC)A number of years ago I got word that a good friend of mine was in the hospital many states away, in intensive care, after a bad motorcycle accident. I went into a quiet corner of the building and sent out my will, my attention, my energy, to him up there, and it felt like I made contact. It felt like he was struggling, laboring. I 'held his hand through the ether' and 'was there for him', as best as I knew how.
Then suddenly, the struggling stopped, and I sensed an outpouring of grief from several others in the room with him. He, on the other hand, seemed to snap out of the struggle, and suddenly he was all business, solid. "OK, I'm good now. You can stop now," was the impression he sent to me, and very strongly.
So I let go, released my attention from him and returned it to where I physically was.
I hope it's really what I think it was. To be able to have 'held his hand' through that final struggle, to give him some comfort from 1,000 miles away-- what a gift to be able to give to a friend.
You are all the first people I have ever told this to.
- Cicada Grove
Re: JAMA - results of analysis of blood donations
Date: 2021-09-09 03:06 am (UTC)I am remembering the guy who said he did a test on 6 of his coworkers as 'controls' and found them full of spike protein 5 months after the shot:
From https://www.ecosophia.net/july-2021-open-post/
Helix says:
July 28, 2021 at 2:35 pm
Re: Fabulous!
Date: 2021-09-09 03:15 am (UTC)The second and third were more of a downer because Paul turned into a tyrant himself. I was sad at the way he treated Duncan Idaho, for example.
With the first book in mind, though, the ivermectin must flow!
- Cicada Grove
(no subject)
Date: 2021-09-09 03:19 am (UTC)As reassuring as the idea of an attack coming from the outside and not from among us is, the flaws within humanity - be they instinctual or acquired environmentally - are more predictable, powerful and pervasive in and across cultures than the disdain for a single man. I just hope that when the sky fall down around us, enough folks have prepared and survived to counsel those ready to listen.
Thanks for this.
Addie
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Date: 2021-09-09 03:21 am (UTC)That scene of the play was always so intense whenever I saw it, because all Faustus had to do was walk away, but he just couldn't do it. Do the people who sold their souls have the same option, to just walk away, renounce the deal, and move on?
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Date: 2021-09-09 03:22 am (UTC)an AAR from Australia
Date: 2021-09-09 03:23 am (UTC)The hospital for some reason thought she had been exposed to a COVID patient in emergency and so despite being a voluntary admission she was put in a padded cell overnight as that was the only room they had suitable for isolating her (psych wards are overflowing these days for obvious reasons). The following day she was released without any plan for following up. It took days to get hold of a script for antidepressants that she was prescribed. It All seemed incredibly dysfunctional. We don't believe there was ever any COVID patient in the ED that weekend as I was never contacted by contact tracers and I was signed in using the qr code system the whole time.
So the mental health and wider health system here appears to be jumping at shadows, mistreating vulnerable people and failing to provide basic standards of care. Avoid at almost any cost, I'd say.
Re: Immune tolerance hypothesis
Date: 2021-09-09 03:26 am (UTC)https://www.thelancet.com/journals/laninf/article/PIIS1473-3099(21)00460-6/fulltext
See Figure 3 for the increased likelihood of asymptomatic infection.
Mark L
Re: JAMA - results of analysis of blood donations
Date: 2021-09-09 03:37 am (UTC)But, OTH, there are 1.4M analyses, so if there's a way to normalize it....
Re: Entity Involvement. Demonic influence or the wrath of a God. Or Both?
Date: 2021-09-09 03:43 am (UTC)This has probably being misinterpreted and abused many, many times in the past. But since we spent a while last week discussing people selling their souls to a legion of demons that could be driving the coronavirus craze in the metaphysical level while seriously underplaying and affecting divinations on the matter I think considering the other side to be also interesting.
So last time there was a bit of a ruckus when the comments posted to this (last) entry was "666" which is according to Revelations is a number related to the Antichrist mentioned in the Bible and some went on a craze looking for the next "get" or what not. So today as I was scrolling the internet after yesterday's earthquake in Mexico (were I am currently at) I saw an image of red lights in the sky scientifically called "red sprites" that are some electromagnetic phenomena occurring at high altitudes above storm clouds that looked rather spooky to me.
I think one of them happened in the US in Oklahoma (roughly at the same time) while in Mexico as thunder was in the sky while we experienced a 7.1 magnitude earthwake it was in the state of Oaxaca. The number of shares of the picture was "666". So I got picked and clicked it. One of the comments said " We are not fooled by your reductionists scientists, this is the final cataclysmic scene from the Anime Neon Genesis Evangelion --The Third Impact".
So that anime has a ton of occult references, from the intro cutscene having the Sephirotic Tree of Life to referencing the Dead Sea Scrolls and there being some sort of council of Magi so I was even more interested. It's really good, but now to the point. So I think the dead sea scrolls do not have any doom impending prophecy in them but going with it (because in the anime it does) I just typed into the search engine "Dead Sea Scrolls" and it turns out that some new fragments have just been recently unearthened (March 2021) and the one on the articles I clicked said from the book of Nahum 1:5-6:
"The mountains quake because of Him, And the hills melt. The earth heaves before Him, The world and all that dwell therein. Who can stand before His wrath? Who can resist His fury? His anger pours out like fire, and rocks are shattered because of Him."
So the things that I would like to discuss are after that story of today.
1) In the same book (Revelations) a bunch of apocalyptic notions happen which if I am not mistaken, plague is one of them driven by one of the Horsemen. Would it be too far fetched to suggest that we might be experiencing something similar? Would horsemen sent by God have the ability to downplay divinations? What if it could be two things? Events similar to the Biblical apocalypse and the collective consciousness falling way down in order to be manipulated by demons?
2) I also think that in Revelation the Second Coming of Christ is mentioned and not long ago it was speculated that "The Star of Bethlehem" could've been a Grand Mutation or something like that, I don't remember exactly, and that it could signal a new prophet to be born. Perhaps it could be argued that it was?
3) Also it has been speculated before that the God of Christianity might be waning. Could that be the Final Judgment and the end of things from within the Christian worldview? Of course cosmic time would not end but perhaps it marks the end of the influence of the Christian God marked by a final Judgement of the sinful?
What would some arguments for or against be? I would love to hear the theologically and non-theologically inclined about it.
UK Report
Date: 2021-09-09 03:50 am (UTC)I grabbed Briefing 21 and Briefing 22. Their data run to August 15-16 and August 29-30 respectively. Look at Tables 3 and 5 for both, do a little subtraction and I have their data for the last two weeks in August.
Table 3: 105,875 Delta cases, 475 Alpha cases, and all the other variants are at most a couple hundred cases. So it's pretty much all Delta now.
Table 5:
Cases, under 50 years old:
Total: 82,855
1-shotters: 18,317
2-shotters: 21,859
no shots: 24,749
Cases, over 50 years old:
Total : 22,843
1-shotters: 596
2-shotters: 18,592
no shots : 1,833
All Cases All Ages Total: 105,698
The huge number of cases in "fully vaxxed" over-50-year-olds may be due to a tremendous proportion of them being "fully vaxxed".
Hospitalizations, under 50 years old:
(raw number ... percent of cases in that group)
Total: 986 ... 1.2 % of all < 50 y.o. cases
1-shotters: 93 ... 0.5 % of all < 50 y.o. 1-shotter cases
2-shotters: 155 ... 0.7 % of all < 50 y.o. 2-shotter cases
no shots: 698 ... 2.8 % of all < 50 y.o. unvaxxed
Hospitalizations*, over 50 years old:
Total: 1,201 ... 5.3 % of all > 50 y.0. cases
1-shotters: 54 ... 9 % of all > 50 y.o. 1-shotter cases
2-shotters: 813 ... 4.4 % of all > 50 y.o. 2-shotter cases
no shots: 333 ... 18.2 % of all > 50 y.0. unvaxxed
*For "hospitalizations" I used PHS's "inclusion" number, which is everyone who came to the ER for whatever reason and then tested positive for coronavirus.
Deaths, under 50 years old:
Total: 41 ... 0.05 % of all < 50 y.o. cases
1-shotters: 3 ... 0.016 % of all < 50 y.o. 1-shotter cases
2-shotters: 10 ... 0.046 % of all < 50 y.o. 2-shotter cases
no shots: 27 ... 0.1 % of all < 50 y.o. unvaxxed
Deaths, over 50 years old:
Total: 568 ... 2.5 % of all > 50 y.o. cases
1-shotters: 35 ... 5.9 % of all > 50 y.o. 1-shotter cases
2-shotters: 402 ... 2.2 % of all > 50 y.o. 2-shotter cases
no shots: 119 ... 6.5 % of all > 50 y.o. unvaxxed
As usual, being old, not being unvaxxed, is your greatest risk factor.
- Cicada Grove
Point me in the right direction
Date: 2021-09-09 04:00 am (UTC)Re: Ivermectin Vs Remdesivir
Date: 2021-09-09 04:11 am (UTC)One is promoted and backed by Big Pharma, the other has been out long enough that it's essentially in the public domain, with little profit potential. Follow the $$$.
I found it surprising when the recent crackdown on Ivermectin sales and prescriptions ramped up so fast - apparently we deplorables are not allowed access to a product which isn't "approved". But the reach and wrath of the crackdown convinced me that Ivermectin works, so I am now ready to emulate a 1260 pound horse should I get the crud.
Re: PCR test explanation
Date: 2021-09-09 04:11 am (UTC)Assume that, at 40-45 cycles, every PCR test is a false positive.
We tell anybody with flu-like symptoms to get tested. Given that everybody shows flu-like symptoms now and then, our sampling amounts to a random sample of the population.
Out of this random sample of the population, we know that a small proportion will die in the month or two after the sample just as a small proportion of the population dies in any given time frame.
If the sample was truly random, we would expect that the age of death in the sample was the same as the average life expectancy of the population as a whole and that the pattern of death would follow the usual all cause mortality pattern with deaths peaking in winter.
Which is exactly what we see with the corona testing.