Open (More or Less) Post on Covid 5
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The semi-open posts I've hosted here on the Covid-19 narrative, the inadequately tested experimental drugs for it, and the whole cascading mess surrounding them have continued to field a huge number of comments, so I'm opening another space for discussion. The rules are the same as before: 1. If you plan on parroting the party line of the medical industry and its paid shills, please go away. This is a place for people to talk openly, honestly, and freely about their concerns that the party line in question is dangerously flawed and that actions being pushed by the medical industry et al. are causing injury and death. It is not a place for you to dismiss those concerns. Anyone who wants to hear the official story and the arguments in favor of it can find those on hundreds of thousands of websites.
2. If you plan on insisting that the current situation is the result of a deliberate plot by some villainous group of people or other, please go away. There are tens of thousands of websites currently rehashing various conspiracy theories about the Covid-19 outbreak and the vaccines. This is not one of them. What we're exploring is the likelihood that what's going on is the product of the same arrogance, incompetence, and corruption that the medical industry and its tame politicians have displayed so abundantly in recent decades. That possibility deserves a space of its own for discussion, and that's what we're doing here.
3. If you don't believe in treating people with common courtesy, please go away. I have, and enforce, a strict courtesy policy on my blogs and online forums, and this is no exception. The sort of schoolyard bullying that takes place on so many other internet forums will get you deleted and banned here. No, I don't care if you disagree with that: my journal, my rules.
With that said, the floor is open for discussion.
Entity Involvement
Date: 2021-09-07 04:56 pm (UTC)Re: Entity Involvement
Date: 2021-09-08 02:17 am (UTC)Re: Entity Involvement. Demonic influence or the wrath of a God. Or Both?
Date: 2021-09-09 03:43 am (UTC)This has probably being misinterpreted and abused many, many times in the past. But since we spent a while last week discussing people selling their souls to a legion of demons that could be driving the coronavirus craze in the metaphysical level while seriously underplaying and affecting divinations on the matter I think considering the other side to be also interesting.
So last time there was a bit of a ruckus when the comments posted to this (last) entry was "666" which is according to Revelations is a number related to the Antichrist mentioned in the Bible and some went on a craze looking for the next "get" or what not. So today as I was scrolling the internet after yesterday's earthquake in Mexico (were I am currently at) I saw an image of red lights in the sky scientifically called "red sprites" that are some electromagnetic phenomena occurring at high altitudes above storm clouds that looked rather spooky to me.
I think one of them happened in the US in Oklahoma (roughly at the same time) while in Mexico as thunder was in the sky while we experienced a 7.1 magnitude earthwake it was in the state of Oaxaca. The number of shares of the picture was "666". So I got picked and clicked it. One of the comments said " We are not fooled by your reductionists scientists, this is the final cataclysmic scene from the Anime Neon Genesis Evangelion --The Third Impact".
So that anime has a ton of occult references, from the intro cutscene having the Sephirotic Tree of Life to referencing the Dead Sea Scrolls and there being some sort of council of Magi so I was even more interested. It's really good, but now to the point. So I think the dead sea scrolls do not have any doom impending prophecy in them but going with it (because in the anime it does) I just typed into the search engine "Dead Sea Scrolls" and it turns out that some new fragments have just been recently unearthened (March 2021) and the one on the articles I clicked said from the book of Nahum 1:5-6:
"The mountains quake because of Him, And the hills melt. The earth heaves before Him, The world and all that dwell therein. Who can stand before His wrath? Who can resist His fury? His anger pours out like fire, and rocks are shattered because of Him."
So the things that I would like to discuss are after that story of today.
1) In the same book (Revelations) a bunch of apocalyptic notions happen which if I am not mistaken, plague is one of them driven by one of the Horsemen. Would it be too far fetched to suggest that we might be experiencing something similar? Would horsemen sent by God have the ability to downplay divinations? What if it could be two things? Events similar to the Biblical apocalypse and the collective consciousness falling way down in order to be manipulated by demons?
2) I also think that in Revelation the Second Coming of Christ is mentioned and not long ago it was speculated that "The Star of Bethlehem" could've been a Grand Mutation or something like that, I don't remember exactly, and that it could signal a new prophet to be born. Perhaps it could be argued that it was?
3) Also it has been speculated before that the God of Christianity might be waning. Could that be the Final Judgment and the end of things from within the Christian worldview? Of course cosmic time would not end but perhaps it marks the end of the influence of the Christian God marked by a final Judgement of the sinful?
What would some arguments for or against be? I would love to hear the theologically and non-theologically inclined about it.
Re: Entity Involvement. Demonic influence or the wrath of a God. Or Both?
Date: 2021-09-10 02:58 pm (UTC)The electromagnetic 'red sprites' are just discharges of energy above thunderstorms. Because
they happen above the clouds instead of below where we can see them, they were anecdotal
until 1994 when video recordings were finally able to capture them. They are still poorly
understood. Earthquake lights are in the same category. Until scientists understand
electromagnetism better they are going to hold off on admitting that they happen.
After all how would you test something like that in the lab if you don't know how
it's generated in the first place? It's embarrassing to admit something happens but can't
give any explanation of how it occurs.
'Anime Neon Genesis Evangelion'??? Huh? What the heck is that word salad supposed to mean? I've
never been a fan of anime as I find the artwork quasipornographic. Anything anime fans say is
something I wouldn't swallow even with a brick made of salt.
The Book of Revelations is an esoteric work, not to be taken literally word for word. It
does not predict the end of the world but describes the harrowing spiritual journey some
have to take. All of us are on a journey. For some of us it's easy. For others they need to be dragged kicking and screaming. It's these latter that the book is for.
I don't think the Christian god is down and out just yet. We are basically going through
a changing of the guard. What will come after all of this is anyone's guess. All I can say
is break out the the popcorn and root beer. It's gonna be a bumpy ride.
Re: Entity Involvement. Demonic influence or the wrath of a God. Or Both?
Date: 2021-09-10 06:58 pm (UTC)Yes, yes of course. What I failed to explain in my comment is that even though they are "perfectly fine" understood physical phenomena there is a subtler counterpart in many events. That is how omens work. Since this set of posts are more into the socio political than the occult side of things I figure that needs a little bit of an explanation.
In the occult worldview there are four major layers of reality that interpenetrate one another --the physical, the etheric, the astral and the mental-- and one way to know what some of the layers that are not perceivable by ordinary human senses are up to is by omens and synchronicities. Since they interpenetrate one another things in the material world if substantial and synchronistic enough can give you clues about what the other layers are up to.
Now, why is that important? Because the layers "above", in particular the astral, are more fluid, more real (in a very specific sense) and heavily influence events down to the physical. The physical is very static as it is the lowest level of manifestation, it is very concrete and dense, on the contrary the astral is not very concrete at all, it's fluid and less dense and abstract and since change usually comes from layers above and trickle down below that one it is "more real" in a sense. So figuring out what the astral is up to is very good idea if you want to foretell what is going to happen in the world were most of ordinary human consciousness is attuned to. That is why "Astro"-logy, and divination, and Magic works.
Why do things like repeating numbers matter? Those are called synchronicities in the sense Carl Jung intended and that order of things at the moment you see them tells you information about what is going on in the same way that omens played a large role in previous --to my mind, more advanced-- societies because events outside and how you perceive them are correlated. The human mind is more like a filter in a stream rather than a box isolated from other realities so by exploring how things are manifesting in other peoples minds --specially the weird minds that are away from the imposed ideologies of our current religion of progressive materialistic dogmatism-- with synchronicities happening in tándem is a good way to "read" things.
If I have not lost you at this point, first, thank you for reading up to this point, I mean it. And second, that is why Neon Genesis Evangelion is important here in my point. Not because it might have been written by someone very wise and prophetic messiah, even, the crazier the better because the crazy are more susceptible to currents in the astral than the ordinarily sane since they have very little filter. And since every human being is in contact with the astral at all times, the contents of their minds depend on what part of the astral they are attuned to so seeing how the collective consciousness moves is a good way of finding things out so why I make reference to several disparate things that happened at the same time. As you can already guess, reading the Astral can be very tricky! It very easy to let bias in the way, specially in an unexperienced occultist like myself, so that is why I thought discussing would be fun and productive.
Regarding the prophetic visions of the Book of Revelations I think that is a great point you made. It doesn't have to be literal but it also doesn't have to be only metaphorical. I don't know enough about them, since I've just but superficially analyzed them. I don't think four horseman will come down from an opened up heaven in flames and kill all the infidels, but I think something substantial enough and in essence similar can happen bringing a world of hurt to the ones that have drifted enough and I think it could be in tandem to the hypothesis of the Magic resistance selling their souls to demons. What could be more Apocalyptic than that? Visually dramatic events would actually be quite fun to watch, in the contrary human consciousness getting down enough to the level of demonic influence to bring strife, chaos and disruption by our own hands while a divine influence comes and "judges" all the ones that have strayed too far sounds in a very far fetched sense possibly, likely to me. Specially because that would have the effect of preparing the world for a new beginning (as it's mentioned in Revelations), which according to the Hindu Yugas, Kali Yuga (the age of lowest consciousness, you guess it, our age, is set to end in about 70 years) and the next age of increased consciousness, Satya Yuga would start to manifest.
As for the popcorn and root beer. I think that is an excellent idea...
Re: Entity Involvement. Demonic influence or the wrath of a God. Or Both?
Date: 2021-09-11 02:15 am (UTC)Mentally ill people may be sensitive to the astral but their illnesses distort any useful information making it worse than useless. Living with a mentally ill sibling (paranoid schizophrenia) has allowed to me to see that the torments such people experience are not really insightful unless it's into their psyche. His ramblings are a bricolage of life experiences as well as what he reads in the paper garbled with terrors of being spied on, threatened or mocked by those only he can see, all people from his personal past. If there's any influence from the astral, it gets lost in the static of his malfunctioning brain. I find it all more saddening than enlightening.
I suspect much the same is true for those who cook up word salads whether they are crazy or not. Entities might be taking advantage of their fear and confusion by stirring things up but they are not producing or really guiding it. In fact most of the nutsyness we're seeing is largely self-generated rather than the result of any entity involvement. The entities are more likely just sitting back to watch, consuming their equivalent of popcorn and root beer.
The Book of Revelations can be read at multiple levels of course which is true of any esoteric writing. But I don't see any age of increased consciousness coming, only a massive seismic shift of politics, national boundaries and the environment along with the religions, philosophies etc which go with them. Once the rubble finishes bouncing, people will pick up and move on, as they always have. 'Plus ca change, plus c'est la meme chose' as the French like to say.
Re: Entity Involvement. Demonic influence or the wrath of a God. Or Both?
Date: 2021-09-11 07:26 am (UTC)Neon Genesis Evangelion, though funnily named, encompass an impressive amount of psychoanalytical theory, occultism and classic theology from several cultures mixed in with crazy and fantastically accomplished mecha anime illustration techniques so I don't think it's fair to call it just "word salad" and fear and confusion when you don't even know what it is about!
I think we are also going to disagree with the entity involvement so I'll just leave it there since I've made my point clear on that. I trust you haven't seen JMGs demon hypothesis published on this journal last week?
As for the last point. It won't be heaven by any means at all nor a new age of fluffy bunnies if that is what I failed to clarify. Satya Yuga and the next Yugas have, according to hindu theory, happened many times and they always lead back into a chaos after thousands of years so definitely not "increased consciousness" as in a happy ever after. So in that last point, I think we somewhat agree in it being "la meme chose" though a lot of things happen in between!
Re: Entity Involvement. Demonic influence or the wrath of a God. Or Both?
Date: 2021-09-11 04:22 pm (UTC)I'll reserve judgement on the Evangelion thing as I hadn't heard of it before your comment and don't really have any way to determine its validity. If there's anything to it, it will persist and mature. Time will tell of course.
As for the entity thing, I agree to disagree with you. Nuff said! :)
I'll have to look for the demon hypothesis again as I probably overlooked it. It's tough reading through all those comments. There's already nearly 800 comments on just this posting alone. Our host is just too darn popular!
My kudos to JMG for allowing us to discuss, comment or otherwise vent in a civil environment. Thank you!
Re: Entity Involvement. Demonic influence or the wrath of a God. Or Both?
Date: 2021-09-12 03:45 am (UTC)As for the demon hypothesis, you will find it linked in this post in the next or the one after that. Or if you go to last weeks post and skim through the pages it will be hard to miss, it has upwards of 100 comments on the same thread.