Magic Monday
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A Wiccan
Date: 2021-07-12 04:04 am (UTC)I've had some thoughts I wanted to run by you on adapting this to a Wiccan(-ish) context. I realize that Wiccans have so far gotten by using the classical version of the LBRP, but I'd like one more theologically-appropriate.
My ideas:
1. For PATRON, "Aradia" or "Ceridwen" etc. (depending on tradition) would obviously work, but maybe just "the (TRIPLE) GODDESS" followed by "my Lady" instead of "my patron goddess" to avoid the repetition. (Alternatively, "Cernnunos" or "the (HORNED) GOD, my Lord.")
2. Using the Four Powers of the Magus as the four-letter divine names, especially for those who haven't chosen a traditional pantheon. Calling on the Four Powers seems like it would be thematically-appropriate for Wicca, and preferable to a mix-and-match approach.
"KNOW," "WILL," and "DARE" -- the bare infinitive forms of the verbs -- all helpfully have four letters, and "keep silent" can maybe be replaced with "MUTE" or even "HUSH," which can mean the same thing. (There's also "STFU," of course, but, uh...)
Alternatively, keep the "to" and "silent" but only vibrate the four letter words: "to KNOW, to WILL, to DARE, to KEEP silent"?
Do these ideas seem reasonable, or would they mess with the ritual too much and blow up in my face?
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Date: 2021-07-12 04:07 am (UTC)1. How do I know when a repeated invocation has actually attracted something and “inhabited” a visualization or telesmatic image, as opposed to the image remaining an empty projection of the imagination? How dramatic can one expect the visualizations to become once they actually attract the attention of the right entities?
2. How much of a role does raw intelligence and innate talent play in magic? What differentiates someone like John Dee or Michael Scot from the average person?
3. Would it be possible for an aspirant to self-initiate himself all the way to adepthood by performing only the LBRP, MP, discursive meditation and divination, skipping all the other GD grade work and initiation ceremonies?
4. From an occult perspective, why do certain people gain weight easily and others not, while eating practically the same diet? Is there any way to influence this process through ritual or other means?
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Date: 2021-07-12 04:15 am (UTC)2) A willingness to do the work is more important than any other factor. I don't know Scot's biography well, but Dee achieved what he did by devoting extravagant amounts of time and energy to magical study and practice.
3) No. That will take you a certain distance, but not to adepthood.
4) A galaxy of different factors influence body weight, and how much food you eat has very little to do with it. I know of no occult way to control body weight -- if there was one, given the number of people who are frankly not sane about their weight, so many people would have taken up magic that the skeptics would have been brushed aside years ago.
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From:Aspects of Gods in SOP, Ogham Check, Gender in Sun Symbolism, Occult Study, Stanislav Grof
Date: 2021-07-12 04:08 am (UTC)As always, thanks much for sharing your expertise and wisdom. I've asked five questions below, roughly in order of how much of a priority they are for me, but I'm working on not being quite so presumptuous here, so please feel free to answer as few or as many as it moves you to do so.
Also as always, I welcome thoughts from the commentariat as well.
1. Knowledge: Onn (Reversed)
2. Peace: Coll (Reversed)
3. Power: Huath
My take: Over-confidence in how I approach/think about things has led me to an intellectual/creative block. If I use this as an opportunity to reassess, think, and try new approaches, some good may come of it.
Obviously I know there's a lot that's context-dependent, so I'm asking less for "please tell me what this means!" and more "are there any concepts or principles I should be applying to my interpretation that I'm missing".
Many thanks,
Jeff
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Date: 2021-07-12 04:18 am (UTC)2) That seems reasonable to me.
3) You might see if you can find a male earth deity, to balance things a bit.
4) I just read obsessively, and take notes as needed.
5) I've never looked into it.
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From:Prayer thanks
Date: 2021-07-12 04:11 am (UTC)This comment is 1): to thank everyone who did pray for her, and 2): to inform you of the outcome to date.
Surprisingly, she had the best outcome one could hope for, short of a miraculous cure. The shoulder MRI revealed no major changes or abnormalities. Even her old surgical shoulder repair was intact; a surprise finding, as we had been told the repair was destroyed 2 months after her original surgery in 2016. Clinically, her shoulder remains extremely lax and unstable, and her orthopedist re-iterates my fear that she may need a total surgical reconstruction of not only her left, but BOTH shoulders; but this can potentially be averted if Jenny gets serious about her daily shoulder exercises, which she is prone to slack off on, because they are “boring”. She needs muscle tone to substitute for connective tissue tightness. We are getting her set up again with her physical therapist.
Again, my thanks and blessings to you all. And thank you JMG for posting my appeal.
—Lunar Apprentice
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Date: 2021-07-12 04:21 am (UTC)First of all I would like to express my gratitude for these spaces of yours and add to it, that lately I am even struggling to find anything serious to ask you. Most of the problems that I face are dealt with either meditate/study/practice it further, or someone already asked the question, or you wrote a peace on it. Thank you for your work, it is profound.
b.) there was a discussion about music instruments a while back and it was mentioned that wood instruments are particularly good with etheric energies. What instruments would be particularly good and easy for a beginner.?
Best regards,
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Date: 2021-07-12 04:26 am (UTC)Folk instruments tend to be easy to learn and play, and their resonance with local culture makes them magically effective.
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Date: 2021-07-12 04:39 am (UTC)Had some other lessons this week, including tempering my temper.
Any advice?
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Date: 2021-07-12 04:42 am (UTC)I discovered something interesting when I was doing the meditation on the minor arcana as part of chapter three in 'Learning Ritual Magic." That is, the part where you are supposed to visualize things having to do with the seasons and feel their energy.
Everything that is usually associated with spring, I associate with fall. A chill in the air and changing leaves gives me a feeling of new beginnings, ambition, sexual energy, and possibility. Spring on the other hand feels like a time to wrap things up before the summer. (Summer heat makes me feel lethargic.)
Meditating about winter on the other hand, feels weird because I can visualize winter things like cold, pink skies in a snowstorm, the cold earth, sleeping trees, and so on. But if I add lights and Christmas songs if feel an inner warmth and deep contentment (throw in some homebrew with mulling spices and it's heaven). But, take away the lights and Christmas music and it feels a lot more bleak.
I think this might be related to the way the school year works, starting in fall and ending in summer. I write not to ask a question but to relate my experience.
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Date: 2021-07-12 04:47 am (UTC)Any work I print for possible sale must be in the public domain, and any translation thereof must also be so. Are there any short works of that nature that you know of that might be appropriate for such a project? I’ve checked on the Sacred Texts site and all the works there seem to be substantial tomes.
I’m also thinking of selected Orphic or Homeric hymns, such as the translations of Thomas Taylor. Or perhaps it would not be too great a mutilation of a longer work to excerpt some passages from it, such as Plato’s description of Atlantis from the Timaeus and the Critias..? What do you think - does this sound like a reasonable project for a very modest scale of publication?
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From:New Song for the Excalibur invocation at the end of the Grove ceremony
Date: 2021-07-12 05:03 am (UTC)This is a tune I wrote to go with the Excalibur invocation that happens in the Grove Ceremony of the Druid Magic Handbook. Hope this helps!
https://queeniemusic.bandcamp.com/track/excalibur-sword-of-swords
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From:Magical Ideas for Keeping Intruders/Evildoers Off Property?
Date: 2021-07-12 05:35 am (UTC)If you haven't heard, Joe Biden and his administration are sending crews of "volunteers" to push the experimental MRNA vaccines door-to-door.
What kind of natural magic would you suggest to keep trespassers off of one's property? I am planning on putting up a hex sign or other geometric pattern near the door in an attempt to trap the malevolent forces who I believe are controlling these people's brains, but is there anything along the lines of hoodoo that comes to mind? I don't want to sweeten the relationship between myself and these people, but scaring them isn't desirable or constructive as it is their obsessive fear that drives them to harass people like me in the first place.
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Date: 2021-07-12 05:43 am (UTC)JMG,
Just two practical questions and some rambling from me this week.
Questions:
1. I added in the version of the Analysis of the Keyword LVX that’s in Damien Echols’ Angels book to my daily practice to see what it’s like. He never speaks about it in relation to the Middle Pillar, but I tried slotting it in after my post-LBRP Qabalistic Cross. I’ve been doing it for about ten days now. All in all it seems to go well and I wouldn’t mind keeping it in the rotation. Do you see any problems here? Would you do anything differently? For sake of clarity the full structure would be: QC/LBRP/QC/LVX/MP/QC.
2. I’m somewhat tall, and my ceiling is somewhat low. So, funnily, I’ve actually been getting down on my knees to do the Analysis in order get the full range of motion with my arms. Am I putting a kink in the hose energy-wise or anything else here? (other than looking a bit foolish that is).
Rambling:
I dragged my feet on getting into it for a long time, but I’ve quickly developed a taste for discursive meditation. I finished up my cycle of meditations on the major arcana on Friday and I am quite pleased about it. Had a hard time adjusting to it at first but a handful of particularly revelatory sessions kept me going. I’ve started up on another longer more complex series now, but you know, “keep silence”, etc.
Unrelated, but in my neighbourhood there happens to be a very good metaphysical store. If you check the website they have about 26 of your different books in stock right now (i counted). Anyways, I went there last Friday to pick up a copy of Circles of Power. As a *very* favourable series of events would have it, I didn’t only get the book, I also ended up with a job there just yesterday. So FYI, I’m going to be pushing your books on absolutely everyone that walks in. ;-)
As always, thank you for everything.
Reid
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Date: 2021-07-12 06:18 pm (UTC)2) Quite the contrary. Kneeling on both knees is a traditional posture for invoking divine energies in Western spiritual traditions, so you'll have the advantage of the tracks in space laid down by that.
3) Delighted to hear this.
4) Where is this? If I'm ever going to be in the area, I could arrange to do a booksigning there.
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Date: 2021-07-12 06:08 am (UTC)I can't ask for permission on this without giving my hand... My karma for this aside (I have plenty to burn in hell), is this wishing harmful to the person?
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Date: 2021-07-12 07:21 am (UTC)Are you familiar with Frank Channing Haddock "Power of Will"? Is it worth it to complete his will training?
Thank you for hosting MM and for all your voluntary work.
Mieczysław
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Date: 2021-07-12 06:22 pm (UTC)(I just checked, and there's a PDF of it available for free download here.)
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Date: 2021-07-12 07:27 am (UTC)some questions
(1) Can astrology be used as a "training" oracle like the Tarot, with its daily 3 card spread, and checking against the days events?
The conceptual difficulty I encounter is that in a span of 12-18 hours, only the Moon moves significantly enough from day to day.
In other words, if you take the span of, say 3 days, most planets don't move all that much, and usually don't transit over natal chart points. Horary doesn't seem to quite fit for *daily* divination, but I suppose one *could* cast a horary chart every day with the “What do I most need to understand about the events of this day?” question. If you do this at roughly the same time everyday, you'd get roughly similar charts, modulo the Moon. Is this a good idea (to develop intuition via daily divination practice, using astrology instead of Tarot ?
2) In the daily 3 card spread, you seem to recommend a "first card is me, second is the situation, third is the resolution" structure. I understand the latter two but have some difficulty wrapping my head around the "myself" card. What would it mean for say the Two Of Cups vs (say) the Heirphant to come up in the "me" position? Does it say something of what I do that day? what I feel? a role I play that day? My confusion is that I think it is the same "me" that goes through successive days. What do different cards indicate then? A concrete example would really help.
3) Due to my Tai Chi practice, which provides me immense benefits, given that I have put a few years into it, I'm presently not taking the Golden Dawn path (as in LRM etc) to avoid energy clashes.
That said, I've been reading a few of your books (RLM, CGD, DH etc) , and a meta pattern I detect is that the challenge for the beginner would be in taking up and sustaining a relentless practice of *some* occult practise over time.
Bardon's IIH shows the same structure, and puts this 'relentless practice' aspect right up front, specifically asking the practitioner to build habits of not acting out of/being driven by subconscious impulses and complexes, and I suspect this is why most beginners get stuck on his first two steps for years! That's a hard "first step" though potentially rewarding if you can manage it.
Consequently, I'm thinking of skipping the ritual/energy work for now, focusing on just the divination and meditation practices and focusing on getting 'relentless practice' of these two nailed before re looking at energetics/ritual. And possibly add some language learning _ Sanskrit or Latin - or daily prayer/devotional practice, as a third practice, instead of ritual, to form a trivium - again with focus on getting the ability to practice relentlessly, no matter whether I feel like doing it on a particular day or not, whether I have results or not .
My question: Divination + meditation should go well with tai chi, and not cause energy clashes. Correct? I'm fairly sure meditation wouldn't (clash), just checking with you about the Tarot/astrology.
Thanks in advance, as always.
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Date: 2021-07-12 06:29 pm (UTC)2) The "me" card can indicate your mood, your state of consciousness, your state of health -- anything that affects you from within.
3) That should be fine. It's the ritual work, and especially the internal energy workings, that cause clashes.
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From:Temple architecture and Volcanic soil structure
Date: 2021-07-12 07:36 am (UTC)In your thumbnail sketches for your book "The Secret of the Temple", you emphasized the role of layering and arranging paramagnetic and non-paramagnetic materials in order to create the structures of land fertility architecture. One of the things that I noticed while living in a land with a history of recent volcanic activity is that the soil has many layers of ash, clay, and sand. Could the weathering of volcanic ash by primary succession render that superficial layer of ash non-paramagnetic, thus over time and subsequent eruptions, layers of paramagnetic recent ashfall, and weathered and non-paramagnetic layers of old ash build up.
I wonder if the famed fertility of volcanic regions isn't so much due to the inherent fertility of volcanic soil, but rather the layering of para and non-paramagnetic soil layers, thus creating a naturally occurring fertility structure.
1) Am I on the right track with this line of thinking?
2) Could the origins of the basic idea of temple architecture involve observation of such volcanic soil structures?
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Date: 2021-07-12 06:29 pm (UTC)Huysmans and Other Enquiries
Date: 2021-07-12 07:49 am (UTC)This week was generally rather quiet, although I enjoyed hearing your podcast talk. Thank you for holding these, and as usual, I have questions aplenty.
1) I would like to learn more about the occult and cultural significance in the text of Las-Bas. While I have read the book in translation, it felt like there was a lot of important details that were flying over my head. Where is a good place to start learning this information?
2) How does one go about growing a non-literal spine for oneself?
3) What are good offerings to make when you are not allowed to offer food or flowers due to the immovable location of an indoor shrine?
Re: Huysmans and Other Enquiries
Date: 2021-07-12 06:31 pm (UTC)2) "Lack of spine" usually amounts to a divided will. Use journaling to understand the internal conflicts that keep your will divided.
3) Can you burn incense? That's a classic.
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Date: 2021-07-12 08:02 am (UTC)I recognise this may be one of those "try it and see" questions, but I wanted to ask about the order of performing exercises. I have been reading Damien Echol's book, and would like to move to his system - I tried his LBRP exercise and found it very powerful. In his book, he asks you to learn, in order, the Fourfold Breath, the Cabalistic Cross, the MP Exercise and the LBRP, with the implication that the last two are to be performed in that order. I've seen elsewhere (including in some of your writing) the idea that the banishing ritual should be performed first. He also uses what seem to me to be non-standard colours for the five energy centres.
The question, I suppose, is "does any of this matter?" If not, I'd be quite happy with the answer "no"!
Thank you.
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Date: 2021-07-12 08:42 am (UTC)Can you tell me how to make holy water? In terms of it's uses, you would use it for blessing yourself or things? Spray it into rooms? How long can you keep it for before the magic wanes?
Thanks.
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Date: 2021-07-12 05:40 pm (UTC)https://thavmapub.com/2020/12/01/anything-and-everything-about-holy-water/
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Date: 2021-07-12 08:52 am (UTC)Also discovered imagining the electromagnetic field part of Spirit Below and the cosmic radiation aspect of Spirit Above makes both more potent.
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Date: 2021-07-12 09:00 am (UTC)1. The new girlfriend of an old friend of mine seems to be in thrall to the Devouring Mother archetype. Particularly towards my wife, she will tell her things like 'you work too hard, you shouldn't work so hard' (she's met my wife three times...). And she treats my friend a bit like a child, to my great surprise. Besides cutting off contact, are there ways to communicate or handle such people? How do you defend oneself against the Devouring Mother archetype when it manifests in others?
2. As we proceed through Lévi and the Tarot, I am starting to understand that that Tarot and the Sephiroth represent archetypes. It makes sense to me that a Sephiroth such as Kether can be represented by an archetype like the Magician. I'm still trying to grasp the meanings of these things, but it seems clearer to me that an archetype represents some aspect of the personality, they are states of being that shapes one's attitude and behavior when they are active.
Comparing this to the Wheel of Life, the Stations of the Year seem to play a similar function as the Sephiroth, but they seem less like archetypes and more like phases of a process (which is made clear in the DMH). But this seems less like a pattern of behavior driven by an archetype and more that one's behavior is affected by the season embodied by the Station. Do the Stations represent some archetypal meaning that I'm missing? Is there a more useful way to compare and think about the two systems?
3. About the fulfilment of the predictions from divinations: should you treat your daily divinations like a weather report, such that, in bad weather, you set your sails for the day accordingly? I'm mindful of what someone posted here a couple of weeks ago where Galadriel told Frodo about the visions in her pool: 'Some of these events will come to pass if you try to avoid having them come to pass'.
Thank you!
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Date: 2021-07-12 06:40 pm (UTC)2) The sephiroth are also stages of a process, and so are the tarot trumps. More meditation may be helpful.
3) You can certainly give that a try and see how it works for you.
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Date: 2021-07-12 09:15 am (UTC)But there's no way to have a jar of static Fire. It has to be constantly doing something, or it's just fuel or ash. For Spirit Below you could take magma out of the earth, but away from heat, pressure, and radiation, it would soon set solid. Similar with any space stuff you took for Spirit Above. Unless you took matter from a neutron star. Then you'd have a very heavy jar whose gravity may be having an active influence on the surrounding area. :)
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