Magic Monday

[ecosophia]

It's getting on for midnight, so we can proceed with a new Magic Monday. Ask me anything about occultism and I'll do my best to answer it. Any question received by midnight Monday Eastern time will get an answer. (Any question received after then will not get an answer, and will likely just be deleted.) If you're in a hurry, or suspect you may be the 143,916th person to ask a question, please check out the very rough version 1.0 of The Magic Monday FAQ here.

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Comments

[ecosophia]

Depends on the specific mode of bad faith. If it's the temporary expedient of a liar, it's Mercury; if it's a long-term or permanent condition, Saturn.

[(Anonymous)]

Do you know if Pluto ruled bad faith while it was a planet?

[ecosophia]

It seems to have ruled self-deception, certainly.

[(Anonymous)]

Does this mean that as Pluto fades out self deception will become less frequent?

[ecosophia]

That's one of the things we'll have to wait and see about. On the other hand, self-deception was fairly common before Pluto was discovered...

[(Anonymous)]

OK, so what's up with Saturn ruling over long-term liars? Is Saturn prone to such lying, either to himself or his devotees? Does Saturn regularly deal in bad faith with his supplicants? Is this something to be on the watch for when dealing with Saturn, like knowing that Mercury enjoys playing the trickster? Yikes, that would add a whole new level of complexity to a god I thought I knew!

— Christophe

[ecosophia]

No, no, calm down. Saturn's style of bad faith is the sort of thing you see, for example, in what intelligence agencies call a "mole" -- an agent who lives a lie over the long term, for reasons of his or her own. It's the bad faith of someone who has a hidden life or a habit they won't talk about, not the bad faith of a common or garden variety liar. Just as a good mole is utterly faithful to the spy agency that hires him, and people who have hidden lives will go to immense lengths to keep doing whatever habit they don't reveal to anyone else, Saturn is perfectly reliable -- he just doesn't talk about things to those who don't need to know.

[(Anonymous)]

Aha! So Saturn rules over the fourth pillar of "to keep silent." That makes a great deal of sense. As the creator of abundance, the three in one, the empat muka (four faces looking out in all directions), he would be the silent one. That is a particularly useful form of bad faith — hidden projects, hidden strategies, and hidden lives.

Like a mole, Saturn can choose which face he shows to whom, while continuing to keep watch in all directions. I do think that makes him a pretty wily god to wrangle with. He probably has limited respect for those who go around blurting out everything uncensored. As a matter of fact, I doubt he would have much respect for a worshiper who shared everything in his prayers. That would be Yahweh's shtick, after all, not Saturn's.

Who knew there was a god of holding your cards close to your chest? Saturn probably rather enjoys the challenge of not knowing exactly what we're up to. I'll be a bit more circumspect with him from now on to try to up the challenge. And I rather expect he'll return the favor in spades. Ha ha! This could be quite fun.

— Christophe

[(Anonymous)]

It seems like each of the planets roughly match a pillar, if you consider their personalities:
To know: Mercury
To will: Venus
To dare: Mars
To keep the silence: Jupiter

Very interesting.

[(Anonymous)]

I would not assign silence to Jupiter. It seems to me that as the planet of abundance, Jupiter rules blabbermouths, not those with the ability to shut up!

[(Anonymous)]

I meant Saturn. That's embarrassing.

[mollari]

Would Venus rule the lies told to try to protect another's feelings?

[ecosophia]

A fine topic for meditation!

[mollari]

I already added it to the list!