Reflections on Fantasy Fiction
Apr. 2nd, 2021 02:13 pm
The other day I spent some time at the local public library, which is (thank heavens!) open to the public again. I had fantasy on my mind, because the night before I had finished a reread of Fletcher Pratt's classic fantasy The Well of the Unicorn. I'm not at all sure how many people remember Fletcher Pratt's two fantasy novels, The Well of the Unicorn and The Blue Star. They came out in 1948 and 1952 respectively, just before Tolkien's The Lord of the Rings; both are set in wholly imaginary worlds where magic is a constant presence; The Well features a wizard, and draws heavily from Scandinavian lore -- and if you're expecting the result to have anything in common with Tolkien's work, brace yourself, because it's a wholly different kind of fantasy.
The world of The Well of the Unicorn is more or less in the high Middle Ages, as distinct from the generic dark-age setting of Tolkien and most post-Tolkien fantasy; it's a world riven by bitter, complex, and highly realistic political conflicts; it's also a world in which the characters have romantic and sexual entanglements that are just as realistic as the politics. There are heroes and villains, but a distinct shortage of cardboard cutouts masquerading as characters. The Blue Star is even more unexpected, to those who only know Tolkienesque fantasy -- it's set in a world more or less parallel to early eighteenth-century Europe, and again, it's got subtle and intricate politics and a rousing, quick-moving, unexpected plot in which, ahem, you can't tell the Good People from the Bad People at a glance.
So when I got to the library, I wanted to see what I could find in the way of recent fantasy fiction that looked good. It was not a successful quest. Partly, I pulled out four books in a row by four different authors that were about plucky young women rebelling against the conventions of their generically medieval societies, who of course just happened to be the most specially speclal person in the whole world, who alone could do blah blah blah. Partly, by the time I finished the cover blurbs of each book I glanced at -- and I don't just mean those four, either -- I could assign every character to his or her Dungeons & Dragons character class. (This is never a good sign.) I'm glad to say that the Dark Lord of the Month Club seems to have faltered of late -- Blorg the Bad, Evil Lord of Evilness, and his infinitely rehashed equivalents seem to have been given some time off -- but the Bad People are still very much in evidence, being Bad because they're Bad and because the plot won't stand up on its own without being propped up by that particular bit of dreary machinery. It was all very reminiscent of the Map of Clichéa. I ended up going home with a spy novel set in Mexico in 1914, a far more exotic and interesting setting than anything in the fantasy shelf.
So I figure it's worth turning to my readers for help. Is there anything going on in fantasy these days that isn't just a rehash of a set of shopworn tropes? Anything fairly new that has political conflict of some degree of complexity, characters who aren't clichés, and a setting that isn't either a well-known roleplaying game or some set of tropes with "-punk" slapped on the end? Inquiring Druids want to know.
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Date: 2021-04-02 07:28 pm (UTC)Sadly my local library (courtesy of Andrew Carnegie) has been closed during the epidemic though you can call in a request to take out books and pick them up at curb-side. This just doesn't cut it for me as I prefer pawing methodically through the shelves and grabbing whatever catches my fancy. Staring at a computer online search screen and trying to pick out something from there just isn't the same. Heaven only knows when this Covid lunacy will finally break and people regain their senses but until then, I have my own library to paw through.
I have not read any new fantasy lately except for Katherine Kerr's Deverry series. Many of the titles I've seen in the local book store turn me off for the reasons you stated. Well, you know the old saying - if you want something done right, you need to do it yourself. I'm laboring over a work of my own tentatively titled The Age Of Dionysus. Decent characterization is certainly a challenge but I like to think the people I've created so far are a cut above Blorg the Bad, Mary Sue the Impossible or Chad the Chiseled Jaw.
Wish me luck.
JLfromNH/Mauve Senescent Squid
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Date: 2021-04-02 07:37 pm (UTC)No one has accused The Long Price Quartet of having a quick moving plot but the books are heavy on politics with serviceable characters and a non-typical setting.
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Date: 2021-04-02 07:50 pm (UTC)Speaking of TV adaptations, there are three others of fantasy book series I enjoy, "His Dark Materials" and "The Book of Dust" by Philip Pullman, "The Witcher" by Andrzej Sapkowski, and "Outlander" by Diana Gabaldon. I'll admit to not reading any of the books yet, but I plan on doing that, too.
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Date: 2021-04-03 12:56 am (UTC)Lyonesse Trilogy
Date: 2021-04-02 09:36 pm (UTC)This isn't a "these days" series of books but on the off chance you haven't encountered the Lyonesse series by Jack Vance, I've found them very rich and enjoyable.
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Date: 2021-04-02 09:42 pm (UTC)Admittedly I read almost zero fiction these days. That said, just as a sort of reply to your inquiry, if our "scientific" society can't write good science fiction stories, what can I say about stories with magic? Part of the problem is that I don't see anything I would consider touching. I don't know, maybe I should read more silly Japanese comics.
I thing I transcended even despair for lack of stories, I have more the taste of acceptance in my mouth. And it tastes very bitter.
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Date: 2021-04-03 01:06 am (UTC)The thing is, magic in fantasy has always been dismally bad. With a very, very few exceptions, fantasy fiction has about as much to do with real magic as Young Frankenstein has to do with real science. I've got a trilogy very slowly coming together that uses real magic, and I suspect most fantasy readers will find it unreadable...
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Date: 2021-04-02 10:01 pm (UTC)The ending, so far as we know it through the TV show's finale, was complex enough that the more woke folks rooting for the main heroine had a minor psychic breakdown, for whatever that's worth (and I speak as someone more on the liberal side of the spectrum, myself).
Axé,
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Date: 2021-04-02 10:57 pm (UTC)Looking forward to seeing other recommendations!
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Date: 2021-04-03 01:09 am (UTC)Fantasy, my favorite thing in the world despite its current woke boringness
Date: 2021-04-02 11:02 pm (UTC)As for others, yeah, modern fantasy is very wokified and cliched. Even 10 years ago the state of the field was much, much better than it is now. There are still other gems of course, but I will have to think carefully for a bit. I'll post a large list in a couple of hours after I've helped my grandmother. I will assume that fairly new means in the last 10 years or so. Never fear, there is good stuff off the beaten track!
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Date: 2021-04-02 11:53 pm (UTC)The only fantasy novel from this century I have read is "Best Served Cold" by Joe Abercrombie, 2009
https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/2315892.Best_Served_Cold
The story and setting seem to have the qualities what you're after... gritty and uncompromising would be my assessment of the timbre. (The protagonist is thrown off a castle wall in chapter 1.)
The author also worked in television and film and this story would be certainly perfect for visual adaptation.
Abercrombie has written much more and won awards, but the material isn't my usual fare -- I encountered it by accident when a fantasy-fan colleague ordered two copies of the book by mistake -- so I am unable to tell you more about his oeuvre.
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Date: 2021-04-03 12:40 am (UTC)Sincerely,
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Date: 2021-04-03 01:14 am (UTC)The one problem I find with reading that series is that somehow I know what's going to happen... ;-)
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Date: 2021-04-03 12:47 am (UTC)My first thought was "The Curse of Chalion" by Louis McMaster Bujold but it was published in 2001 and I don't know that 20 years ago counts as recent. I highly recommend it anyway.
The series The Stormlight Archives by Brandon Sanderson is good but it is a long series with each book over 1000 pages and is not complete yet.
Troubled Water by Sharon Shinn is another that would fit the description. It is a lighter entertaining read but still manages to have depth.
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Date: 2021-04-03 12:52 am (UTC)I'm close to your age, and as I get older, I find myself growing weary of the unending parade of teenage saviors. The boomers are supposedly the ones with all the money, so why isn't anyone writing fantasy with older, life-experienced people as the central 'savior' character?
Myself, I also have this weird problem where every time I pick up a fantasy novel and get attached to a particular character, its like some kind of curse- that character is guaranteed to die.
I picked up an older trilogy from the 'little free library' box here during the lockdown, our library is still closed. Its called Black Sun Rising (the Coldfire Trilogy) by C.S. Friedman, from back in 1991. I really enjoyed it... until, sure enough, at the end my very favorite character got killed off.
Blech.
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Date: 2021-04-03 01:25 am (UTC)My gay and transgender friends tell me that they're desperately sick of novels in which the gay or transgender character is inevitably killed off -- this is apparently enough of a cliché that when I was writing Star's Reach an episode at a time, I had a couple of people beg me not to kill off Berry. (Of course they were delighted by the way the story turned out.)
What makes a character appeal to you? I'll be sure to put in some characters like that in future stories, and not kill them off.
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Date: 2021-04-03 01:03 am (UTC)Brandon Sanderson.
Even the books he wrote for kids are enjoyable. The guy has the work ethic of a plowhorse- no GRR Martin or Patrick Rothfuss is he.
The Cosmere series is at 12 full length novels and counting, plus an anthology and a graphic novel series, all in the same reality setting.
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Date: 2021-04-03 01:04 am (UTC)Yep
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Date: 2021-04-03 01:47 am (UTC)Robin Hobb--Farseer, Soldier Son are both great. My favorites of the Farseer (Elderling) books are the Ship books, though the initial (Assassin) books are great.
Bujold: I love The Curse of Chalion, but I think the sequel "Paladin of Souls" is even better. Imagine a polytheist book written by a very sympathetic, knowledgeable Catholic--that's the best way I can think of to describe it.
Others I've enjoyed:
"The Goblin Emperor", which has believably Byzantine politics.
The very weird online novel "Unsong"
http://unsongbook.com/
"God created Man in His own image but He created everything else in His own image too. By learning the structure of one entity, like Biblical Israel, we learn facts that carry over to other structures, like the moral law, or the purpose of the universe, or my workday. This is the kabbalah. The rest is just commentary. Very, very difficult commentary, written in Martian, waiting to devour the unwary."
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Date: 2021-04-03 02:38 am (UTC)The Cold Fire Trilogy by CS Friedman
The Black Company Novels
Assassins Apprentice Series (don't read the second part of the series, they suck)
Blue Moon Rising (this is a popcorn read, a typical hack and slash fantasy with a big bad, but its the set up for the "Hawk and Fisher: Guards of Haven novellas. Don't read the rest of the blue moon series, they suck.)
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