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The Well of the UnicornThe other day I spent some time at the local public library, which is (thank heavens!) open to the public again. I had fantasy on my mind, because the night before I had finished a reread of Fletcher Pratt's classic fantasy The Well of the Unicorn

I'm not at all sure how many people remember Fletcher Pratt's two fantasy novels, The Well of the Unicorn and The Blue Star. They came out in 1948 and 1952 respectively, just before Tolkien's The Lord of the Rings; both are set in wholly imaginary worlds where magic is a constant presence; The Well features a wizard, and draws heavily from Scandinavian lore -- and if you're expecting the result to have anything in common with Tolkien's work, brace yourself, because it's a wholly different kind of fantasy.

The world of The Well of the Unicorn is more or less in the high Middle Ages, as distinct from the generic dark-age setting of Tolkien and most post-Tolkien fantasy; it's a world riven by bitter, complex, and highly realistic political conflicts; it's also a world in which the characters have romantic and sexual entanglements that are just as realistic as the politics. There are heroes and villains, but a distinct shortage of cardboard cutouts masquerading as characters. The Blue Star is even more unexpected, to those who only know Tolkienesque fantasy -- it's set in a world more or less parallel to early eighteenth-century Europe, and again, it's got subtle and intricate politics and a rousing, quick-moving, unexpected plot in which, ahem, you can't tell the Good People from the Bad People at a glance. 

So when I got to the library, I wanted to see what I could find in the way of recent fantasy fiction that looked good. It was not a successful quest. Partly, I pulled out four books in a row by four different authors that were about plucky young women rebelling against the conventions of their generically medieval societies, who of course just happened to be the most specially speclal person in the whole world, who alone could do blah blah blah. Partly, by the time I finished the cover blurbs of each book I glanced at -- and I don't just mean those four, either -- I could assign every character to his or her Dungeons & Dragons character class. (This is never a good sign.) I'm glad to say that the Dark Lord of the Month Club seems to have faltered of late -- Blorg the Bad, Evil Lord of Evilness, and his infinitely rehashed equivalents seem to have been given some time off -- but the Bad People are still very much in evidence, being Bad because they're Bad and because the plot won't stand up on its own without being propped up by that particular bit of dreary machinery. It was all very reminiscent of the Map of Clichéa. I ended up going home with a spy novel set in Mexico in 1914, a far more exotic and interesting setting than anything in the fantasy shelf. 

So I figure it's worth turning to my readers for help. Is there anything going on in fantasy these days that isn't just a rehash of a set of shopworn tropes?  Anything fairly new that has political conflict of some degree of complexity, characters who aren't clichés, and a setting that isn't either a well-known roleplaying game or some set of tropes with "-punk" slapped on the end?  Inquiring Druids want to know. 

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Date: 2021-04-02 07:28 pm (UTC)
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I have both books purchased back when Ballantine books reprinted them. Recently I have been methodically going through my personal library, rereading old books, donating those I have lost interest in while keeping others. I haven't gotten to these yet but I know they will be keepers.

Sadly my local library (courtesy of Andrew Carnegie) has been closed during the epidemic though you can call in a request to take out books and pick them up at curb-side. This just doesn't cut it for me as I prefer pawing methodically through the shelves and grabbing whatever catches my fancy. Staring at a computer online search screen and trying to pick out something from there just isn't the same. Heaven only knows when this Covid lunacy will finally break and people regain their senses but until then, I have my own library to paw through.

I have not read any new fantasy lately except for Katherine Kerr's Deverry series. Many of the titles I've seen in the local book store turn me off for the reasons you stated. Well, you know the old saying - if you want something done right, you need to do it yourself. I'm laboring over a work of my own tentatively titled The Age Of Dionysus. Decent characterization is certainly a challenge but I like to think the people I've created so far are a cut above Blorg the Bad, Mary Sue the Impossible or Chad the Chiseled Jaw.

Wish me luck.

JLfromNH/Mauve Senescent Squid

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Date: 2021-04-02 07:37 pm (UTC)
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A high bar there.

No one has accused The Long Price Quartet of having a quick moving plot but the books are heavy on politics with serviceable characters and a non-typical setting.

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Date: 2021-04-02 07:50 pm (UTC)
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The last fantasy novel I read and enjoyed was Neil Gaiman's "American Gods," winner of the Hugo, Nebula, and Locus Awards from 2001. I don't know if a 20-year-old novel qualifies as "recent" and "these days." I haven't gotten around to watching the book's TV adaptation yet, but I plan on it.

Speaking of TV adaptations, there are three others of fantasy book series I enjoy, "His Dark Materials" and "The Book of Dust" by Philip Pullman, "The Witcher" by Andrzej Sapkowski, and "Outlander" by Diana Gabaldon. I'll admit to not reading any of the books yet, but I plan on doing that, too.

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Date: 2021-04-02 08:44 pm (UTC)
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You might enjoy the Repairman Jack series by F. Paul Wilson. It is set in modern times, but has a dark fantasy element. The first book in the series is The Tomb.

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Date: 2021-04-02 08:52 pm (UTC)
From: [personal profile] kulibali
I have found T. Kingfisher to be refreshingly original: https://www.goodreads.com/search?q=t+kingfisher. _The Twisted Ones_ even has Voor :-)

Lyonesse Trilogy

Date: 2021-04-02 09:36 pm (UTC)
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Mr. Greer,

This isn't a "these days" series of books but on the off chance you haven't encountered the Lyonesse series by Jack Vance, I've found them very rich and enjoyable.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lyonesse_Trilogy

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Date: 2021-04-02 09:41 pm (UTC)
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Paul Kingsnorth has a the third book in his trilogy out now—the one set in the future. I have not yet read it, but I trust from the first two that it won't be cliché.

-Bewilderness

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Date: 2021-04-02 09:42 pm (UTC)
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I'm not entirely sure how you can enjoy books with a magic setting. Lately, I can't read most science fiction anymore, because my mind starts screaming at the very, very soft "science." "What if we just ignore this part of reality to make the story work? Tee-hee."

Admittedly I read almost zero fiction these days. That said, just as a sort of reply to your inquiry, if our "scientific" society can't write good science fiction stories, what can I say about stories with magic? Part of the problem is that I don't see anything I would consider touching. I don't know, maybe I should read more silly Japanese comics.

I thing I transcended even despair for lack of stories, I have more the taste of acceptance in my mouth. And it tastes very bitter.

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How about the Dresden Files, by Butcher? Urban fantasy which I've loved for how the line between good and evil becomes more obscured with each story arc...despite the lead character's obsession with keeping on the side of the Good, every "righteous" decision he makes seems to lead, in time, to his choices being constrained to darker and darker options.

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Have always wondered your take on GRRM's Song of Ice and Fire. I enjoyed the books, although it seems as though he will not finish the cycle at this point in his career.

The ending, so far as we know it through the TV show's finale, was complex enough that the more woke folks rooting for the main heroine had a minor psychic breakdown, for whatever that's worth (and I speak as someone more on the liberal side of the spectrum, myself).

Axé,
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Golden Reflections

Date: 2021-04-02 10:57 pm (UTC)
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I enjoyed this anthology from 2011. It includes stories by various authors that blur the line between fantasy and sci-fi - alternative history, time travel, and a mask of mysterious Meso-American origin: 'Golden Reflections (Mask of the Sun & other stories by Fred Saberhagen, David Weber, Harry Turtledove, Walter Jon Williams, Jane Lindskold , John Maddox Roberts). Certainly some of the same-old but with different takes. One "recommendation" by a reviewer on Goodreads panned the book for its outdated patriarchal attitudes towards women... So, if you want something politically correct - this ain't it.

Looking forward to seeing other recommendations!

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K.J Parker is fantastic, though only barely fantasy. He features a dark, dry English wit and Greco-Roman-Byzantine worldbuilding. Some of his books feature magic, some don't. Most are delightfully unique, have some philosophical interest, and feature characters whose greatest skill is usually a talent for a craft/politics or an opportunistic sense of morality. I would recommend the Folding Knife for a starting novel, or Academic Exercises as a fun short story collection.

As for others, yeah, modern fantasy is very wokified and cliched. Even 10 years ago the state of the field was much, much better than it is now. There are still other gems of course, but I will have to think carefully for a bit. I'll post a large list in a couple of hours after I've helped my grandmother. I will assume that fairly new means in the last 10 years or so. Never fear, there is good stuff off the beaten track!

-Derpherder

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Date: 2021-04-02 11:53 pm (UTC)
From: [personal profile] kallianeira
Greetings JMG,

The only fantasy novel from this century I have read is "Best Served Cold" by Joe Abercrombie, 2009

https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/2315892.Best_Served_Cold

The story and setting seem to have the qualities what you're after... gritty and uncompromising would be my assessment of the timbre. (The protagonist is thrown off a castle wall in chapter 1.)
The author also worked in television and film and this story would be certainly perfect for visual adaptation.

Abercrombie has written much more and won awards, but the material isn't my usual fare -- I encountered it by accident when a fantasy-fan colleague ordered two copies of the book by mistake -- so I am unable to tell you more about his oeuvre.

iridescent scintillating elver

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Have you tried the Malazan series from Steven Erikson it's a deep series. Maybe as well the Wetern Lights series from Jeffery Barlough it's a bit dickensian with some light lovecraft, not much of the fantasy from the past few years has much in the way of complexity.

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Date: 2021-04-03 12:40 am (UTC)
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There's this really great series that takes the universe of H.P. Lovecraft and does a 180 with it that's so engaging that I've read it four times in the past year. It's chock full of occult philosophy and incisive critique of the political and cultural forces at work in our world these days. I'm afraid that's about all I've found lately, the rest being what you've described above.

Sincerely,
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Date: 2021-04-03 12:47 am (UTC)
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I cannot think of anything really new.
My first thought was "The Curse of Chalion" by Louis McMaster Bujold but it was published in 2001 and I don't know that 20 years ago counts as recent. I highly recommend it anyway.

The series The Stormlight Archives by Brandon Sanderson is good but it is a long series with each book over 1000 pages and is not complete yet.

Troubled Water by Sharon Shinn is another that would fit the description. It is a lighter entertaining read but still manages to have depth.

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Date: 2021-04-03 12:52 am (UTC)
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I think you might be out of luck on this one. These days the primary intended audience for this kind of book is about high-school age; and books seem to have the same problem as movies anymore- the endless copycatting of the last one that made boodles of money.

I'm close to your age, and as I get older, I find myself growing weary of the unending parade of teenage saviors. The boomers are supposedly the ones with all the money, so why isn't anyone writing fantasy with older, life-experienced people as the central 'savior' character?

Myself, I also have this weird problem where every time I pick up a fantasy novel and get attached to a particular character, its like some kind of curse- that character is guaranteed to die.

I picked up an older trilogy from the 'little free library' box here during the lockdown, our library is still closed. Its called Black Sun Rising (the Coldfire Trilogy) by C.S. Friedman, from back in 1991. I really enjoyed it... until, sure enough, at the end my very favorite character got killed off.

Blech.

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The Cosmere

Date: 2021-04-03 01:03 am (UTC)
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Sorry, just thought of one *current* author I really enjoy.

Brandon Sanderson.

Even the books he wrote for kids are enjoyable. The guy has the work ethic of a plowhorse- no GRR Martin or Patrick Rothfuss is he.

The Cosmere series is at 12 full length novels and counting, plus an anthology and a graphic novel series, all in the same reality setting.

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Date: 2021-04-03 01:04 am (UTC)
From: [personal profile] kashtan
I'm not sure if this counts as recent enough for your inquiry since it's over 20 years old now, but the Farseer trilogy by Robin Hobb is at the top of my list. Hobb eventually wrote many more books in this universe, but the original three are the best in my opinion. She also wrote the Soldier Son trilogy, set in a different universe that's more like the 19th century rather than the middle ages. It doesn't tend to have the best reviews because it's slow-moving and the main character is far from a typical fantasy hero, but it's one of my favorites as well and would probably my choice for most interesting worldbuilding.

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Date: 2021-04-03 01:26 am (UTC)
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Robin Hobb is one of my absolute favorites! I'm fairly sure she was influenced to some degree by Taoism, and her books certainly feature politics and the numinous to an ample degree. Some people find Fitz annoying, but personally I thoroughly enjoy every moment of it.

-Derpherder

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Susannah Clarke’s 'Piranesi' is a blend of fantasy, science and detective story

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Date: 2021-04-03 01:47 am (UTC)
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Seconding and expanding previous recommendations, and adding one:

Robin Hobb--Farseer, Soldier Son are both great. My favorites of the Farseer (Elderling) books are the Ship books, though the initial (Assassin) books are great.

Bujold: I love The Curse of Chalion, but I think the sequel "Paladin of Souls" is even better. Imagine a polytheist book written by a very sympathetic, knowledgeable Catholic--that's the best way I can think of to describe it.

Others I've enjoyed:

"The Goblin Emperor", which has believably Byzantine politics.

The very weird online novel "Unsong"
http://unsongbook.com/
"God created Man in His own image but He created everything else in His own image too. By learning the structure of one entity, like Biblical Israel, we learn facts that carry over to other structures, like the moral law, or the purpose of the universe, or my workday. This is the kabbalah. The rest is just commentary. Very, very difficult commentary, written in Martian, waiting to devour the unwary."

SamChevre

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I'd highly recommend Nina Kiriki Hofman's two-book series, The Thread That Binds the Bones (1993) and
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I'd highly recommend Nina Kiriki Hofman's two-book series, <i>The Thread That Binds the Bones</i> (1993) and <iThe Silent Strength of Stones</i> (1995). I hear that she's added a third novel to this series, <i>Spirits That Walk in Shadow</i> (2006), but I haven't read it yet. They're set in the Pacific Northwest.

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Dawn of Wonder

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Dawn of Wonder by Jonathan Renshaw was written in 2015. The world is deep enough, and the beginning of the story is compelling. The main character is interesting too. There are more books coming - 2 & 3 are in the works, but I think it stands alone. Definitely some glaring issues with it but as for modern fantasy goes it's better then other junk I've read.

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Date: 2021-04-03 02:15 am (UTC)
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Her first book Jonathan Strange and Mr. Norrel is also a great read, I read it late last year actually. It is about two English magicians in the time of the Napoleanic wars attempting to revive the lost art and prestige of English magic. It is a fun, character driven story that involves fairies as well.

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a couple of decades old

Date: 2021-04-03 02:38 am (UTC)
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So the only books I know are about 30 years old.

The Cold Fire Trilogy by CS Friedman
The Black Company Novels
Assassins Apprentice Series (don't read the second part of the series, they suck)
Blue Moon Rising (this is a popcorn read, a typical hack and slash fantasy with a big bad, but its the set up for the "Hawk and Fisher: Guards of Haven novellas. Don't read the rest of the blue moon series, they suck.)

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