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Rite of Spring DancersA couple of nights ago I ended up watching a YouTube version of the Joffrey Ballet's 1987 performance of The Rite of Spring -- the first one since the ballet first premiered that presented it as it was originally designed, choreographed, and produced. (Why was I watching The Rite of Spring? Long story, having to do with a novel I've got in process.)

It was enormously controversial when it first appeared. There was a bona fide riot in the audience on the opening night -- forty people had to be expelled from the theater, some in hysterics -- and the choreographer, Vaslav Nijinsky, went stark staring crazy afterwards and spent the rest of his life in an asylum gazing blankly at the wall. If this reminds any of my readers of the fictional play The King in Yellow, well, let's just say the similarity has been noticed. (Yes, that was a central part of why I was watching it; Brecken Kendall, the aspiring young retro-Baroque composer who's the viewpoint character of the novel in question, is writing a chamber opera based on The King in Yellow...) 

So I watched it.  Yes, I know, I don't usually spend time staring at jerky little colored shapes on glass screens, but I make exceptions at long intervals and this was one of them. 

Now here's the thing: I don't get ballet or modern dance. It's not that I don't like them; it's that they communicate nothing to me. Watching a ballet, for me, is like listening to a lecture in Swahili or trying to read a newspaper in Tagalog; it's clear to me that there's something going on that communicates to other people, but I don't speak the language. As a child I went dutifully to The Nutcracker over the winter holidays and took in several other ballets -- the district where I went to school used to take busloads of kids to the Seattle Center a couple of times a year to take in a play or a ballet or some other bit of culture -- so it's not a matter of unfamiliarity; whatever one is supposed to get from watching ballet dancers dance, I don't. I'd assumed for years that some aspect of my Aspergers syndrome left me with the equivalent of tone-deafness to dance performance. 

And then I watched The Rite of Spring, and it actually made sense to me. I opened up that Tagalog newspaper and all of a sudden was looking at a page in a language I could read. Not only that, it was a potent and moving aesthetic experience. 

I really have no idea what to make of this, other than to wonder what it says about me that the only dance performance that's ever made sense to me is one that put its choreographer in an insane asylum and caused a cultured and tolerant Parisian audience to go into total meltdown...

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Date: 2018-02-14 04:11 am (UTC)
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But I think that Pablo Picasso was the set designer.

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Date: 2018-02-14 07:23 pm (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
Yes, he was. The audience applauded his curtain, but booed the show.

Kevin

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Curious

Date: 2018-02-14 08:35 am (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
Ballet kinda leaves me cold too, especially modern dance. The technique is impressive, sometimes I perceive beauty, but it seldom really moves me.

But about 18 months ago while noodling around on youtube I stumbled on a performance by a young flamenco dancer. Expecting to be pleasantly entertained, I was astounded by the power and passion of his performance. It was stupendous! I’ve since become something of an aficionado.

So maybe it isn’t dance per se that leaves you unaffected, but certain forms of it. When another form comes along whose existence you hardly suspected, it turns out to be something else altogether, that speaks to you directly. A different kind of tempo, a different lexicon of movement, another sense of the body, and it’s another art form altogether.

I hope your protagonists doesn’t participate in a production of The King In Yellow. They say it’s even worse than the Scottish play.

Kevin

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Date: 2018-02-14 01:21 pm (UTC)
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You're not the only one with that question now....

For what it's worth, I've also got Asperger's, but that somehow makes it worse: what does it mean that an aesthetic experience that we can enjoy drives people without Asperger's insane?

Dance

Date: 2018-02-14 01:25 pm (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
In my opinion, it not a matter of you not being able to understand the language of dance. Most dances and dancers are all about showing up what they can do instead of using their art to really tell a story. Personally I have seen dozens of dancers performing Swan Lake and only felt any kind of emotion when I saw it performed by a Brazilian street dancer, Mr. John Lennon da Silva. Hell, I watched his performance and I could see the bloody bird dying and agonizing. He was not just performing technically difficult moves, he performed those moves to really tell a story.
One of these days, when you're in the mood, perhaps you can check that performance. it starts at 1m 47 s.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KGN6oQmhKck

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Well, it is a depiction of a pagan religious festival celebrating the power of Nature. That would be the kind of thing that might appeal to a Druid.

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Date: 2018-02-14 03:15 pm (UTC)
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I love Rite of Spring, have often listened to the music alone, saw it as a very minimalistic modern performance live in Leipzig and also (partially) with more traditional costumes, though I am not sure if it was the original costumes and choreography. Don't get at all why the original audience rioted... But I'm not much into ballet either, usually.

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Date: 2018-02-14 03:39 pm (UTC)
From: [personal profile] auntlili
A) I'm happy for you! B) I'm not surprised you understood it. Most ballets have a plot, which is not irrelevant but lets say incidental. The plot is like a mannequin holding up a beautiful gown. The Nutcracker is a perfect example. The first half sets you up by taking you to a ball with a great big tree, a dodgy uncle and later on, some rodents. The second half is a fever dream about sweets. It's not really narrative but evocative. And in that case the thing being evoked is not something that apparently interests you much.

The Rite of Spring is another beast altogether. It isn't meant to be evocative -- to transport your emotions or create a mood -- but invocative -- to call up something or someone. In a sense, it's not written for the audience at all but for the Spring or for the earth. It's a rite, a ritual, or put another way, a spell, which is pretty well your line of country, no? And so it makes sense that an audience accustomed to having its mood ushered toward the sublime, the ecstatic, or in the case of the Nutcracker, the confectionery, would be put out to find themselves watching a vigorous and not especially "aesthetic" conjuring in which they have no apparent part.
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Awesome

Date: 2018-02-14 05:52 pm (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
John, that post really spoke to me! I love noticing the little things I see everyday, but for the first time (like the little tree on the side of the road, or the way the branches of my sycamore tree intertwine). Things like that, or suddenly understanding a piece of art make me excited to always see what's around that corner up ahead.

Thanks for Posting!

~Steve

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Date: 2018-02-14 07:07 pm (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
Ah, Nijinski, one of the idols of my younger years. I was a dancer from the time I first started walking and this has had a profound and enduring effect on the trajectory of my entire life. I would agree with NeonVincent that your understanding of The Rite of Spring might derive from the subject matter of the ballet--a pagan festival celebrating Nature. It might also derive from the fact that the choreography was a distinct break from traditional ballet movements of the time as was the score by Stravinski. Also, Nijinski was not committed to an asylum until about six years later and continued to dance after the 1913 debut of the Rite of Spring. It was likely not just the Rite of Spring that caused his mental deterioration. He was a fascinating and incredibly talented man, a true genius, with a sensibility out of step with the times he was born into.
As for dance itself, I have always thought that the understanding and power of dance resides more in the performance and actual physical experience of it, much less so in the observation and critique, especially in the concert setting with the audience seated primly in chairs.
I suspect that a broader definition of dance would encompass many of the movements and choreography of Druidic rituals (although my studies of Druid rituals are in their infancy) and perhaps this is what you were able to relate to in the viewing of the Rite of Spring.

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Date: 2018-02-14 07:09 pm (UTC)
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The recent comment regarding Nijinski and Dance was from
Yanocoches in Colorado

Is it the music?

Date: 2018-02-14 08:54 pm (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
Fascinating observation, JMG! I am a lover of dance in general, but most Western styles of dance – and especially ballet – leave me cold. For me, I think it is that Western music sacrificed rhythm in order to focus on polyphony back in the late medieval times. And I don’t think one can divorce dance from the music.

And, for me, that’s where the Rite of Spring rocks! I suspect that the “refined” Parisian upper-crust were horrified by hearing the raw, powerful rhythms of Igor Stravinski – and seeing the dancers’ vivid portrayals of those rhythms – after centuries of repression. If I recall correctly, the London concert-goers were horrified by the raw power and dissonance portrayed in the first movement (Mars) of Gustav Holst’s The Planets (in late 1918 – appropriately enough, while WWI was still going on). To put things in perspective, I don’t believe there was a single Western classical composition that portrayed as strong an emotion as anger before good old Beethoven’s 5th Symphony (composed in the early 19th century). Poor little Western “snowflakes”!

I’d be interested to know if you think that the music might have been a “code-breaker” for you while watching the Rite of Spring.

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Date: 2018-02-14 09:02 pm (UTC)
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Something of an echo of an earlier comment, but why did the audience reject the performance to such a degree?

--David, by the lake

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Why did the audience reject the show?

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Date: 2018-02-14 09:30 pm (UTC)
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It's a wonderful ballet! One possibility for why dance has left you cold until now is that you may not have seen really excellent, artistic performances, and this one that you saw was that. About Nijinsky: it wasn't like he went crazy right after the performance of The Rite of Spring (in 1913). Not long after that he had many traumatic events in his life. His mental stability began to decline, and he entered an asylum in 1917. He was diagnosed with schizophrenia, and was in and out of asylums for the rest of his life.

Dance Appreciation

Date: 2018-02-15 12:17 am (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
I was taught that watching dance sets off what we called the "kinesthetic sense," watching movement produces the feelings of those same movements in the observer's body.
Be that as it may, perhaps your ability to appreciate The Rite of Spring was nothing less than a brief visit, a touch, from Terpsichore.
Yanocoches in Colorado

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Date: 2018-02-15 02:28 am (UTC)
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The Rite of Spring was more recently presented with the jazz group The Bad Plus providing the music. I’ve enjoyed the album that was released from it. It received some critical praise as well.

Flame in Bloom

Date: 2018-02-15 05:41 pm (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
I'm a choreographer, and I find it's very hard for most people to understand dance. What I always say is that for people without a particular education in or preference for dance, watching it is like trying to see something in a window that's too high, and people need a stepstool. I usually try to provide them in my pieces through props, music, and titles, but of course what works for one audience member might not work for another. It sounds like in this case, your interest in the material and some other, less tangible elements of the performance finally got you a stepstool that you don't have when you watch other pieces.

Also I don't really "get" music. (I know, I hear all the time how crazy that is for a choreographer, but I'm not alone, and I think it just gives me a different perspective on the art form.) Which isn't to say I've never had an emotional experience listening to music, but that's usually because I relate to the lyrics or something. I think some art forms just do or don't speak to specific people in general, but it doesn't preclude you from finding a particular instance that speaks your language.

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Dance as advertising?

Date: 2018-02-16 01:51 am (UTC)
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I read, somewhere, that there was at least some version of public dance performance which was basically a front for prostitution. Lower-class men hired prostitutes; upper-class men patronized the ballet (and enjoyed the company of a dancer or two, in a somewhat less transactional way). From what I've been hearing lately about powerful men behaving badly in the arts and media world, it may still be going on... but no one told the women that they'd have to perform off-stage as well as on-stage.

So, if you're not interested in the product, maybe it's appropriate that you don't enjoy the ads, and you don't nod and smile to follow the crowd. You and me, both.

DE Lathechuck

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Date: 2018-02-16 03:57 am (UTC)
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John, what happens when YOU dance? Do you feel any different?

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Date: 2018-02-16 06:20 am (UTC)
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You didn’t mention further testing. Maybe Asperger’s was a hurdle overcome by allegro itellectus?

~j8sun

Rites of Spring

Date: 2018-02-17 03:02 am (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
Modris Ekstein wrote a fascinating book connecting the play with the subsequent wars of the modern age https://www.amazon.ca/Rites-Spring-Great-Birth-Modern/dp/0307361764/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1518836260&sr=8-1&keywords=rites+of+spring

RaymondR

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Date: 2018-02-17 10:36 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ferngladefarm.blogspot.com.au
Hi John Michael,

Your Asperger’s is a gift and you see the world differently from other people. It is a very useful gift too and it provides you with useful insights and you get to peek behind the veneer of the curtain that society puts over the grubby realities. And even better, you get to make sense of all the noise and the attempts at chicanery and have the focus to follow your convictions through. Many, many people lack that clarity and force of personality.

On the other hand, maybe you're just not that into dance as a mode of communication? But perhaps this work was different enough that it spoke to you? That happens to me, and not every author strikes a note, and communication in dance would not be a single coherent form so it is a similar situation.

I see the world slightly differently again to you and it appears to me as a series of continuous many layered stories which can sometimes open up and grow or retract – that is if I choose to peek or am pointed in a direction. And dance as a form of communication leaves me feeling like rushing for the exits, and not in hysteria either, but more because life is short and there are other things to do that have greater meaning to me.

You've asked an extraordinarily complex question as it gets to the roots of how we as individuals interpret and relate to the world around us. I suspect that few people have clarity of thought on that matter.

Cheers

Chris

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Date: 2018-02-17 03:36 pm (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
I seem to recollect from music history, nearly two decades ago, that the audience for The Rite of Spring went wanting to be shocked and horrified. They were, basically, their version of the modern upstanding urban Democrat appalled that there are *gasp* Trump voters *internet vapors* out there among the despicable and unwashed masses. Er, flyover country. Whichever.
They got what they wanted and reacted as they wished to.

Musicians are prone to mental illness, as described by the psychologists, more, we're prone to refuse treatment for mental illness as it turns off the creative functions. I don't know why that wouldn't apply to dancers. I've heard it does to artists. I'll have to ask my sons' ballet teachers. I suppose dancers have whatever protective mechanisms come from physical exertion. But if you want really institutionalize this person levels of insanity, read composer bios-not the whitewashed for children kind, but the in-depth kind.
It's one of the things that urges caution to me: Composer? Yes. Occultist? Yes. Crazy? Absolutely. Maybe there's a reality filter that doesn't work in composers. So I proceed with magic with great caution.

BoysMom

Rite of Spring

Date: 2018-03-05 03:21 pm (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
John,
I am a former professional ballet dancer and I love the form, but I will tell you that I watch hundreds of dance works and feel nothing except a kind of perplexity. Often the compositional elements are there, the technique is at a professional level, the structure is solid, but it just doesn't speak. It just rambles on, a whole lot of wasted energy.
Similarly, growing up I always thought I hated jazz but found that there is just a very particular kind of jazz that I respond to. Same thing with Reggae, Opera, Black Metal, New Age.
When people ask me what kind of music I like, I tend to respond, "The good kind," but a more appropriate reply would simply be, "The kind that moves me."
Note, the Joffrey Rite of Spring is a reconstruction, not actually the original choreography. It is as close to it as they could get and they did it while some of the dancers who had been involved in the original were still alive, and with many original notes, etc. but many suppositions and inferences had to be made.
I wonder how the Pina Bausch/Tanztheatre Wuppertal version would suit you. To me, it is the most primal and visceral Rite of Spring out there. Not as famous as the lost Nijinsky, but for many the definitive version. It is also performed barefoot on a stage covered in actual earth.
About dancing, nearly all struggle with structured dance. It is why we repeat the exercises thousands and thousands of times,- to develop "muscle memory," a term perhaps you are familiar with. At that point the body goes through its routine while the consciousness can be used to infuse those movements with meaning and observe what is happening around it. That being said, it sounds to me that the most suitable form of dance for you would be unstructured, spontaneous improvisation to whatever accompaniment you choose. The key is to not force your body to do any kind of particular movement, but to let it move the way that it wishes and feels most comfortable. There are no rules for this kind of dance because it is personal.
Like you recently wrote about writing, to know the rules before you break them and to do so intentionally and for effect, my ballet teacher insisted that freedom would be found by mastering the rules. The techniques of dance are difficult and complex, and many performers are concentrating on the proper execution of the step rather than being so adept that the step becomes simply a means to an end- which is communicating the idea. Just like writing, once this hurdle has been past, the true "voice" emerges. Only when I see dancers who have crossed this threshold does the art form become compelling to me. This is also what may be the dividing line between a sublime ritual and the pompous or embarrassingly silly.- You had mentioned that sweet spot recently performed by the youth at the Mason Hall.
Anyway, long-time reader, big-time fan, first-time responder. Thank you for sharing.

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