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Carl von ReichenbachFranz Anton Mesmer, whose researches into animal magnetism were discussed in a post here last week, was far from the only scientist of his time to stumble across evidence of the life force that traditional occultists call "ether."  The gentleman to the left is another such scholar, and a considerably more important one. His name was Baron Dr. Carl von Reichenbach, and he was one of the great scientific minds of the nineteenth century. Born in Germany in 1788, he made important discoveries in the fields of geology, chemistry, and metallurgy; he's the person who first figured out how to extract creosote, paraffin, and phenol from coal, launching half a dozen major industries in the process; he was elected to the Prussian Academy of Sciences, one of the three most prestigious scientific bodies in the world in his time. Oh, and he also became very, very rich from his patents and the factories he built and managed. He did all this, what's more, by the time he was fifty. 

In 1839, looking for new fields for his omnivorous intellect, he decided to take up the infant field of psychology. Of course, being the capable experimentalist that he was, he set out to find things that he could test empirically, and so his first major project was to find out what environmental factors influenced phobias, hysteria (the mental illness now called "conversion disorder'), somnambulism, and neurasthenia -- this last was a very widespread condition of "nerve weakness" that basically went away once Freud traced it to its emotional roots. That was what led him into forbidden territory. 

He noticed, to be precise, that certain people -- "sensitives" was his term for them -- seemed to be able to perceive things the rest of us can't, and that these people are more likely to end up with emotional and mental problems due to their sensitivity. He found, for example, that many sensitives could apparently see magnetism when in total darkness -- they could tell which end of a bar magnet was which, and differentiate between a bar magnet and an identical iron bar that hadn't been magnetized. Of course this made him think of Mesmer, whose works he then read, and he proceeded to run a series of experiments intended to settle the question of whether he was dealing with magnetism or with some other force that seemed to act something like magnetism. 

You guessed it. He found that he was dealing with a new force, one that seemed to act like magnetism in some ways, like electricity in others, and like heat in still others. It was radiated by all living things, and also by the sun and moon; it could be caused to flow along wires like electricity, but didn't set off the various devices used in those days to detect current or static electrity; it seemed to flow with particular force from the palms of the human hand. He named it Od, or Odic force. 

Reichenbach's bookOf course, being the experienced and capable scientist that he was, he wrote up his experiments and their results in great detail and published them. (That's the English translation on the right.)  And the scientific community -- did it say, "Wow, here's something new from von Reichenbach, he's always worth reading, let's check it out"?  Not a chance. With a few noble exceptions, they did what scientists almost always do when confronted with evidence for the life force:  they pulled a James Randi -- that is, they launched a flurry of ad hominem attacks and then ran experiments that changed crucial variables, and when those didn't get the same results (quelle choque!), announced a failure to replicate. It's a familiar song and dance, and it was already well practiced by von Reichenbach's time. 

What's more, nobody talks any more about Carl von Reichenbach, the brilliant chemist who discovered a galaxy of coal tar derivatives, the successful industrialist who made millions.  No, it's Carl von Reichenbach, the crackpot who claimed to have discovered something that does not exist, cannot exist, must not exist, and must therefore be shouted down in the shrillest possible tones if anyone is so rash as to notice it.  Again, it's a familiar song and dance. 

Fortunately von Reichenbach was rich enough that he didn't have to care, and he kept doing his researches, publishing a second volume of results later on. Those volumes are still available in print and online -- here's a link to the first, and here's a link to the second, both in English and free for the downloading -- and they played a very important role throughout the late nineteenth and early twentieth centuries, inspiring researchers and occultists alike. We'll be encountering his concepts repeatedly as this series of explorations proceeds. 

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Date: 2021-03-09 07:41 pm (UTC)
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Interesting. "Ether" is equivalent to the "spiritus" spoken of by Ficino, yes? That which binds the soul to the material body?

Axé,
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Why does mere mention of the life force seem to trigger such dramatic emotional meltdowns in scientists?

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Date: 2021-03-09 09:27 pm (UTC)
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Becuase they are not scientists, they are thugs. Scientists don’t shriek at the opportunity of adventure!

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An hypothesis Why Scientism is so Prickly.

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Date: 2021-03-09 08:06 pm (UTC)
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Hello,

His books look rather interesting.

Are you aware of anyone working on his discoveries recently?

Regards


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Date: 2021-03-09 08:40 pm (UTC)
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So... at night, with all the lights out, eyes closed, and even blindfolded (so no light to stimulate the retinas), if I move my hand or arm in front of my face, I can "see" it-- not in detail, but the general shape, location, and direction of motion. Is this the "odic" or "life force" or "etheric energy" being talked about here, or more likely something else?

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Odic force...I immediately thought of Odin. Somehow it seems to fit.

Why is it that Western science seems to have an enormous blind spot when it comes to the life force?

Maybe it's that missing eye that Odin bartered to Mimir for a draught of wisdom...the original Faustian bargain which Odin, at least, ultimately won. I'm not too optimistic about modern science's odds...(heh heh)

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Thank you for another tidbit on the research of unspeakable truths!

Speaking of which I delineated the simple experiment which we talked about yesterday. You can find the initial thoughts, a little bit of theory, my hypothesis, the method (and some ranting) here: Etheric Experiments Part 1: Microwaved Water
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If anyone needs me I’m in a dark closet with a magnet LOL (seriously)

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Is this odic life force the same life force you reference as the possible focus of early Christian worship in your essay?

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Date: 2021-03-10 03:45 am (UTC)
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"that is, they launched a flurry of ad hominem attacks and then ran experiments that changed crucial variables, and when those didn't get the same results (quelle choque!), announced a failure to replicate. It's a familiar song and dance, and it was already well practiced by von Reichenbach's time."

Do you know if anyone tried the trick of changing what they'd consider a significant effect size? That's what made me take Bem's precognition findings seriously: many of the attempts to refute it involved altering the effect size needed to declare results. Usually in psychology it's 0.05%, meaning 1 in 20 will find a false positive. A number of papers found effects which based on this measure were there, and then declared that because psi effects break the known laws of physics the results needed to be stronger.

There are two problems with this: the first is that the likelihood of false negatives dramatically increases as you reduce the likelihood of false positives; the second is that literally every major discovery in science involved something that the established understanding of reality said should not happen....

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Have you, or any one you know, made and used a Odin disk?

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Date: 2021-03-10 05:30 am (UTC)
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My wife has this ability, runs in her family. We can stand in a completely darkened room and she can find me, 100% of the time except when I am tired and not emitting voor/mauri/odic force. Of course, she has a harder time of it in life than others due to her sensitivity.

Dean Radin (and his colleagues) would be the modern equivalent of von Reichenbach, and whilst he gets a hard time with Randi style attacks in peer reviewed journals, they haven't been able to shut him up at all, primarily because he is usually better at statistics than all of them put together. The tactic then is to simply ignore it,which is getting harder and harder.

Of course, the modern researchers haven't been as bold as to claim a new force of nature, they have focused on evidence for the subtle effects of that force in specific experiments.

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Date: 2021-03-10 06:23 am (UTC)
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If I had a couple of bar magnets, I'd be checking this out tonight. It seems like a dead easy experiment to run.

On the ability to see one's own arm in the dark, there's an alternate explanation, which is that the pheonomenon is a combination of mental recollection and a kind of synesthesia that kicks in when the usual sense of sight is not available. What I mean is, you remember what the things look like and you expect to see them in a familiar arrangement. Your brain creates a simulacrum of what you would expect to see if the space were lit.

The way I'm describing it sounds like sheer handwaving, but I read about it some time ago in a magazine article whose source I can't remember, and it tallied with experiences I've had a few times. The article describes a kind of ghost vision (I'm paraphrasing; the article didn't call it that) of a very familiar but complex sight. I think the examples given were where the furniture is located in a room you often pass through in dim light or complete darkness, and the other example was something complex, a workbench with a lot of objects that are usually laid out in the same spots.

The experience being described is the sensation of being able to see these things without actually using eyesight. What the article reported was that if the person reached for one of the objects visible on the table (for example), and it wasn't there, but could be found by touch elsewhere on the table, once it was found, that detail immediately rearranged itself and the object was seen in the place it actually was.

That subjective experience, if replicable, suggests that one's memory of where one expects everything to be is turned into a sensory projection of seeing them there, not in full color and detail as they would be in bright light, but with enough detail to distinguish one object from another.

The brain is normally capable of making these kinds of representations. It's not a special talent. For example, there is an experimental device that is supposed to help blind people "see" something in front of them by having a camera represent it via touch on the person's back by little pins pressing against the skin of the back. Instead of the person touching the face of another person to get an idea of what they look like, the device represents the object by a pattern of pressures on the skin of the back. With practice, the brain trains itself to process this as a mental picture of what is in front of the person. This is how sighted people organize the visual impressions we get of what is in front of us, except that we learn to do it when we are infants, and usually the process is automatic after that, so we are not aware of what we are doing.

I've had the experience of seeing ghost objects in a dark but familiar room a few times, and the explanation that I saw them where I expected them to be seems plausible.

Seeing the poles of a magnet in the dark is a horse of another color, so to speak, because one can feel the poles of a magnet when they are pointed at the same pole of another magnet, and we know that magnetic fields can be sensed in various ways. I don't have any reason to doubt that some people can sense the field in a way that reads out as sight, wihout knowing in advance where exactly the magnet is located or how strong or large it is. I'd like to find out whether I can do that.

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Date: 2021-03-10 09:08 am (UTC)
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I suppose one could say that a similar story holds true in the case of Cleve Backster (plant ESP) and Dorothy Retallack (plants liking classical music), isn't it? Sure, there are important differences between the life story of von Reichenbach, Retallack and Backster, but the way the materialists reacted to their 'pseudoscientific' claims is qualitatively the same.

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Date: 2021-03-10 11:57 am (UTC)
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Posted elsewhere about this, but I think you've also mentioned in other posts: it seems as if electromagnetism somehow interferes with the ether/spiritus/axé/Odic force. One blogger noted how having electronic devices in a sleeping area seems to pose a problem for remembering dreams (although I guess that would fall under the "astral"...), but even mainstream science seems to acknowledge the problem of these devices interfering with sleep. I'm wondering if this doesn't also present a problem, then, for those who would try to record etheric/spiritual phenomena using devices powered by electricity. Not an insurmountable problem, but interesting nonetheless, if there is a connection.

Axé,
Fra' Lupo

Voice of the Aether

Date: 2021-03-10 03:10 pm (UTC)
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Thanks for this new series JMG...

...the synchronicities keep piling up. I had started writing the intro to the last section for my Radiophonic Laboratory project (subtitled: Telecommunications, Electronic Music and the Voice of the Aether) about two weeks ago after writing an article on the Stockhausen piece Ylem which is part of this last chapter. Anyway, these posts of yours have given me what I need to connect the aether of the ancients to the etheric life force, and how that has continued to inspire musicians and composers in the 20th an 21st centuries.

So here is the intro to the "Voice of the Aether" section for the curious.

http://www.sothismedias.com/home/voice-of-the-aether

It seems to me another area of radionics research might be the relationship between music healing modalities and the ether, which I hint at here (though that isn't the main focus).

Thanks again for all you do & peace to the radionic community here!

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Date: 2021-03-10 03:39 pm (UTC)
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I used to do energy work with clients, friends, and girlfriends in years gone by. With their eyes closed pretty much everyone could tell me what direction I was circling my hands when above a chakra. I never told them what I was doing just asked about the sensations they perceived. The degree of sensitivity varied between people from nearly none to rather startling and intimate.

Distance was a factor in the interaction as well. I rarely was in physical contact with the client as the work was most effective about 1 to 2 feet off the physical body. There is an energy layer or shell/body at that distance and I could have a much more direct impact there than when I was in physical contact. Energy interaction and perception worked as far as about 3000 miles in one case.

I never explored the relationship between etheric and magnetism. Which is funny because magnets have been one of those things which have continued to fascinate me since childhood. Last night I came across a 250 lb strength magnet which I nearly purchased. No idea what I was going to do with it at the time. Getting some ideas now!

A more general comment:
Reading modern writings on energy and the etheric (and other occult topics for that matter) have not been all that satisfying. There is something missing for me in most accounts. I am not entirely sure what. Along the same lines my attempts to write about such topics myself has been as frustrating as reading about them.

My guess is you are onto something focusing on books written by dead people. Thanks for pointing these and other works out. I am seeing a way forward in sharing my own experiences.
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Date: 2021-03-10 04:06 pm (UTC)
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I’ve watched so many people brush up against the door and move on. You’re almost there! To me it’s like climbing Mount doom or Everest and getting 3 feet from the top, deciding it’s all pointless and nothing is there and turning around and climbing back down. It really is baffling...of course having leaned on the door I’m exploring a whole new world... and my eyes haven’t yet properly adjusted to the light though it’s been a few years now.

“James Randi -- that is, they launched a flurry of ad hominem attacks and then ran experiments that changed crucial variables, and when those didn't get the same results (quelle choque!), announced a failure to replicate. It's a familiar song and dance, and it was already well practiced by von Reichenbach's time.”

I’d be interested in seeing this fleshed out a bit more as I’m quite tired of being told we’re all science deniers, especially when there are *cough cough* scientists to point to.

It also adds an interesting little wrinkle to the replication crisis. How much is just plain bad science in the original studies and how much is scientific violence? Two institutions in fair Verona... but seriously how much of a vested interest would say Harvard have in making Stanford look bad? Or probably more likely a state school punching up a class at Harvard to try to get grants and recognition...hmm...

I also like the way it is anatomized at the end of “ Elementary Treatise of Occult Science: Understanding the Theories and Symbols Used by the Ancients, the Alchemists, the Astrologers, the Freemasons & the Kabbalists”

Where any no answer is (paraphrasing) “Then you’re not smart enough to have this conversation.”

Did you go to school (college)?
Was it and advanced degree?
Are you a university lecturer?
A senior one?
The head of the department?
And the coup de grace, if you are the head of the department you’ve obviously lost it and gotten old and senile and so: “Then you’re not smart enough to have this conversation.”

Boy, bad faith, bad logic, circular reasoning?
If this is scientific reasoning...

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Date: 2021-03-10 05:52 pm (UTC)
From: [personal profile] readoldthings
"that these people are more likely to end up with emotional and mental problems due to their sensitivity"

Ain't that the truth...


Odic Optics..?

Date: 2021-03-10 10:03 pm (UTC)
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I am particularly curious to learn whether the odic illumination described by sensitive individuals to von Reichenbach would reflect from a parabolic mirror as light does. Could it be concentrated at the focus, or beamed out from a powerful magnet or crystal located there? And if so, to what effects? I've combed through various passages of his book, and for the most part he discusses things like magnets, water, crystals and metals; though he does mention passing Odic luminance through a lens, which suggests it may behave according to optical principles as light does. I wonder does it display the same angle of incidence as light, whether refracted or - if possible - reflected?

Obviously it would be best to determine this myself experimentally, but developing the necessary sensitivity would doubtless be a fairly involved project with a significant probability of flopping. Where are the 19th century-style sensitives when we need them?

Kevin

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Date: 2021-03-11 12:01 am (UTC)
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The other thing worth noting is the renaissance of work by mainstream physics on a fifth force of nature, called quintessence. Quintessence has most of the features of the life force - it expands, rather than contracts, has subtle effects at the small scale, but when magnified up, drives the expansion of the universe. It's also damned hard to capture and study!

I see the work on it sadly going the way of many other similar renaissances - someone will go 'too far', and the whole thing will be forced into a framework that doesn't embarrass too many reputations.

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Date: 2021-03-11 09:35 pm (UTC)
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(To JMG: No need to post this)

"Quelle choque" should be "Quel choc": there is no noun "choque" in French (it exists, but only as a form of the verb "choquer")

Etheric Properties of Glass and Silk

Date: 2021-03-12 06:14 pm (UTC)
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Just a data point, from the English translation of Reichenbach's Researches on Magnetism: In section 46 (starting at the bottom of page 50 and going on for a few pages), Reichenbach describes both glass and silk as "perfect conductors" of the force emanated from crystals, having similar conductivity to steel. He lists wood and paper, and wool as least conductive. Specifically he tested continuous silk thread, and/but noted that woven materials in general were less conductive than continuos masses. I don't think he tested woven silk.

Just wanted to mention it, since the traditional lore describes silk and glass as etheric insulators. Obviously there's more research to be done - particularly in differentiating the assorted forces under question, but it's something to keep in mind for anyone doing said research.

P.S. Thank you, JMG, you've given me my latest hobby/obsession!
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Cell salts

Date: 2021-03-15 02:29 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] courtinthenorth
Hello JMG!
If you can stand another participant in the fun, I have been interested in starting with cell salts for awhile now and am happy to share anecdotal info with you regarding my use.

You mention you may be able to help locating a persons sun in their natal chart. I had a chart done (way back in the day) but I don’t know how to read it. I may pick up an almanac and try and parse it out for myself too.

Cheers!
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