Another Dysfunction?
Dec. 12th, 2020 12:55 pm
Over the last couple of weeks I've had the interesting experience of finding out that a lot of the emails I send are suddenly ending up in people's spam folders. That happened with one of my publishers -- he had to fish two manuscripts out of spam, and we'd been exchanging a great many emails up to that point with no difficulty at all. It interests me that this is happening now, when several other signs of systemic dysfunction seem to be cropping up, and when there also appears to be a renewed effort to deplatform people who don't toe the corporate media party line. (Scott Adams of Dilbert fame has been facing some hassles with the big corrupt internet conglomerates, for example.) I find it hard to believe that a fringe thinker like me would come to the attention of anyone involved in the latter effort, but I suppose you never know.
I have workarounds in place, of course, but this has been a mild annoyance, so I figured that it was time to ask my remarkably well-informed commentariat. Is this something that's happening more generally, either to everyone, or to -- ahem -- specific categories of undesirables?
(And if you're expecting an email from me -- or even if you're not -- you might want to check your spam folder...)
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Date: 2020-12-12 06:33 pm (UTC)I have one facebook friend whom I'm friends with six times, because he's gotten hit with "you are banned for inapropriate content" so often and so long. They don't show the content, so you never know what you got banned for. Many others have two or three accounts. You can find excellent memes about facebook gulag.
Also, my political party got a 'soft ban' just a few weeks before the election, where suddenly the login no longer worked and facebook swore they couldn't fix it. (How hard is it to reset a password?)
My kids' dance emails and my church's emails have also landed in spam.
I think the most egregious was probably Twitter banning the president for a time.
Some businesses have been banned from processing credit and debit card transactions in a similar way, going back years. Gun stores have had a particular problem with that, but it's also been a problem for intellectual businesses that don't toe the line. Can't pay the podcaster by card if he's not saying the right things. The processing companies are the banners in this case, not the card companies. All very tidy and legal.
BoysMom
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Date: 2020-12-13 12:11 am (UTC)And my husband's job, which includes sending people requested quotes by email, now routinely involves telling customers who are irked they didn't get their quote, to check their spam folder. This was not so last year.
BoysMom
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Date: 2020-12-12 06:34 pm (UTC)Also - back to your previous question on banks. I shop at Aldi for groceries and noticed this morning the sign they've had up for months now that they are limiting cash transactions and not doing cash back when using a debit card. I had forgotten about that sign. I'm in Pennsylvania. Wells Fargo also lowered the limit of how much cash can be withdrawn from an ATM machine per day per account. We got that notice over the summer sometime.
The only other systemic dysfunction is the IRS wouldn't allow us to e-file our taxes this year in April. So when they extended the deadline I tried again thinking maybe something was wonky on their end and got fixes. Still couldn't e-file at the end of July. Mailed it in and it has yet to be processed. We were expecting a small refund and I guess its coming in 2021 at this point.
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Date: 2020-12-12 06:35 pm (UTC)I have the opposite problem—stuff that should go to Spam, like offers for pills to cure my erectile dysfunction—ends up in the regular box.
—Lady Cutekitten
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Date: 2020-12-12 06:39 pm (UTC)Monkey-wrenching ourselves
Date: 2020-12-12 06:42 pm (UTC)I work in tech in one of the big global companies. I have not seen anything structural around deplatforming, in fact the opposite - there is generally a lot of care taken to remain neutral politically. Where a position _is_ taken it tends to be driven by cultural righteousness along the lines of the left liberal values - mainly because the workforces in the valley and generally in these companies is not at all diverse along class lines, and assume these values to be universal.
Where I do think there may be challenges are around ever increasing compliance rules emerging (especially from Europe) about data privacy. This is arising from politicians globally who are trying to address the balance of power that has accrued to high-tech as a consequence of their advertising driven model. This funds the internet, no question,and it is a Faustian bargain.
Without the data-informed targeting used by the advertising industry on the internet there will be a reversion to indiscriminate advertising aka spam, or we will all need to start paying the real cost of the infrastructure, which is enormous.
New legislation is Byzantine, political and adding huge complexity whilst crapifying functionality for the user.
Along side this security has become a nation-state arms race. The sophistication is absolutely incredible (see recent attack on FireEye) and this has been another vector of rapidly increasing complexity.
In your case it may be that your email server is not adding the digital watermarks and so on to make sure your domain is recognised as high reputation.
Today, although most people don't see this because of the spam filters, more than 99% of email traffic is spam.
So you see how the system adapts and reputation signals become important, and systemically a value system is inadvertently implemented that excludes the fringes and independents.
CBM
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Date: 2020-12-13 03:44 pm (UTC)"Without the data-informed targeting used by the advertising industry on the internet there will be a reversion to indiscriminate advertising aka spam, or we will all need to start paying the real cost of the infrastructure, which is enormous."
Or (I'm going to get a little wild and crazy here :) ) we will stop using machinery to replace so much of our own psyches with shoddy intentionally-crippled prosthetic structures after which much of this overbuilt surveillance tech (aka the Internet) will rot and rust, after which much of the frothier and less sane discourse in our society will blow off.
I'm sorry if that sounds a bit snarky, but really, there are choices here beyond "stupid Internet" and "evil Internet". There's at least one more: "less Internet". And here's a really wonderful affirmation to that end which I got from the Internet (here, in fact!): "I lead an analog life." I've been using it a lot lately with good results.
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Date: 2020-12-12 06:42 pm (UTC)I do know that the censorship, deplatforming, and other thought policing happening to independent writers and thinkers whose work I respect and trust, and happening to me directly in my own small publishing and email discussion efforts, crossed a threshhold earlier this year that prompted me to decide to stifle myself rather than keep waiting for more hammers to fall on me for saying things that are unacceptable to the thought police.
And I know I'm not an isolated case. At least one poll showed 62% of Americans do not share their political views for fear of social (more brutal isolation amidst covid lockdown) and economic (i.e. job loss) backlash.
https://www.cato.org/publications/survey-reports/poll-62-americans-say-they-have-political-views-theyre-afraid-share
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Date: 2020-12-17 11:30 am (UTC)I have been getting the expected notifications
Date: 2020-12-12 06:57 pm (UTC)Re: I have been getting the expected notifications
Date: 2020-12-13 10:00 pm (UTC)Lady Cutekitten of Lolcat
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Date: 2020-12-12 07:00 pm (UTC)The day after the election, Gmail asked if I wanted to categorize every email from Trump or Pence as spam. I said no, since despite them being VERY spammy, I have automated rules to sort and organize them out of my inbox, and it felt extremely weird that Gmail was asking me the day after the election.
Since then, Gmail has just automatically sent any GOP related mail to spam except for those I have specifically created a rule to keep out of spam.
On a side note, I still get all the spam from left leaning organizations that I haven't donated to for over 8 years.
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Date: 2020-12-12 07:13 pm (UTC)https://sleeknote.com/blog/why-emails-go-to-spam
While it's possible subtle efforts to deplatform certain people may be going on, the fact is that emails, browsers etc are getting so insanely gnarly in their programming that it's getting more and more difficult to use them. I recently ran into the issue of trying to email one of my brothers where it would bounce back with an error message identifying the server handling the outgoing mail as a possible source of spam. Either that or the email would just vanish into thin air altogether, never getting delivered. I find it hard to believe I am persona non gratis to the PTB but anything's possible I suppose. I was told by my brother to contact my IP provider as a way to get the issue resolved but decided to just use a different email address when mailing him instead.
Given the constant "upgrades" (cough,cough) we are being subjected to, I suspect we will be seeing more of this in the future. It's not so much that sinister forces are trying to push certain people off the Internet (though I'm sure there are those), it's that the entire system is becoming so profoundly baroque that the issue of diminishing returns is really starting to bite now. It's possible the whole ridiculous mess will eventually grind to a useless halt.
My two cents worth...
Reddish Brown Drowsy Hazelnut/JLfromNH
That article is mainly for marking email....
Date: 2020-12-12 10:09 pm (UTC)So for the average person sending email
#4 on that list is the most likely content reason given the topics in question.
#6 is a concern, given that the manuscripts are likely Microsoft Word format or similar. Making sure such documents are stripped of any macros (good or bad, especially malware ones) goes a long way to getting them through.
I rather doubt #10 is an issue for the occasional typo I see in JMG's posts, though spell checking regularly might help some.
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Date: 2020-12-12 07:31 pm (UTC)However, the algorithms that determine what goes into spam are notoriously fickle. It could be a normal fluctuation. If too many recipients mark something as spam, the machine learning will conclude that the source is spam. I just checked my own spam folder and most of it is marketing emails, but there's also a message from my electric company and the local public library in there.
-Breanna
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Date: 2020-12-12 07:44 pm (UTC)My Beaver Scouts emails seemed to all end up in peoples spam folders for a week, but that had happened last year too. The Canadian Scouts website has had terrible problems all 2020, though. Registrations snafued, everyone had to call in and get someone in headquarters to do it, all the reporting functions didn't work, the training modules weren't logging that people had done them, every upgrade they tried crashed the whole thing.
The businesses in my community have been having really slow internet issues, likely due to all the extra online ordering and working taking bandwidth. Enough to affect them being able to put through transactions, though. I've heard that in even more rural areas it's even worse, and some of the local governments were saying they'd ground to only a couple days a week of work because they couldn't zoom and couldn't meet in person.
Completely coincidentally , Elon Musk is here to save the day:
"Buying the dish and other gear needed for the Starlink service costs $649, plus tax. Rekounas said he paid $820 in total. Users are expected to install the kit themselves. Then, it's $129 per month for the service.
"I was floored," Waye said. "When you're doing beta testing, you would expect the company to at least provide you with the equipment. It just seems crazy.""
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Date: 2020-12-12 08:06 pm (UTC)(no subject)
Date: 2020-12-12 08:20 pm (UTC)I’d discount ‘political action’ as the cause and put it down to ‘trying a tweaked algorithm’. Obviously not a very effective one.
Andy
What's in my spam folder
Date: 2020-12-12 08:35 pm (UTC)Prizm
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Date: 2020-12-13 03:10 am (UTC)The 'free' email services aren't so free.
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Date: 2020-12-12 09:16 pm (UTC)spammers are getting more aggressive and sophisticated, so email algorithms have to become more strict. It is a sign of the decline of the internet. The same is true for telephone lines actually, 90% of calls I get is automatic ad calls and telemarketers. Another form of spam. Makes me wish I didn't have a phone sometimes.
So yes, your emails end up in spam folders because the civilization is ending. :-)
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Date: 2020-12-12 10:56 pm (UTC)Somewhere else is a small-time web hosting outfit in the country where I live. I've noticed that emails don't make it through to certain recipients sometimes. One of the major cell-phone companies (which provides email to its customers), for example, gray-lists my messages so I have to send them three or four times before they get through. Messages from my gmail address go through the first time.
I suspect there may be technical reasons for what you are seeing (rather than, or perhaps in addition to censorship), but the net result is to favor the big players and squeeze out smaller ones.
the more complex a system, the more likely bits will trip up
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Date: 2020-12-12 09:39 pm (UTC)Of course, there is also Grey's Law: any sufficiently advanced incompetence is indistinguishable from malice.
Cheers,
Simon S
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Date: 2020-12-12 09:54 pm (UTC)The evolution of fighting spam has added additional checks along the way that a domain's definition can be missing. Stuff I've had to add to those domains I have influence over the year, things like SPF and DMARC records. So this is your own domain, I can certainly help you. Direct Message me your domain(s) (the part after the @) and I can give you some pointers.
Andy in Toronto
Adventuring in the Chaos that is life and IT
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Date: 2020-12-12 10:37 pm (UTC)Regular reader of the main blog, relative newcomer to this one. Interesting you should ask: I started subscribing to Matt Taibbi's Substack platform a few months ago, and lately emails from it have been ending up in my account's spam folder (Gmail for the record). Not sure if it's part of a larger phenomenon, but Taibbi--to my mind the best journalist working these days--is definitely an independent observer.
Thanks and best,
James W
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Date: 2020-12-12 11:38 pm (UTC)We quit Gmail several months ago and use Kolab instead. They are based in Switzerland and cost us about $11.50 per month.
OtterGirl
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Date: 2020-12-12 10:42 pm (UTC)Daily horoscopes and such are still going to inbox. Subscribestar is still going to inbox. Almost everything in my spam folder actually is spam... only exception was an e-mail from a relative that happened to be sent from a work account.
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Date: 2020-12-12 11:54 pm (UTC)JMG's inquiry reminded me that I've been trying to form a habit of checking my spam folder once a week. There was only one message that didn't belong there; it was a mass mailed newsletter from one of my political representatives. No big deal; I don't live for the moment when that shows up. Nine-tenths of the incoming was spam and the rest was email that I had marked as spam because the senders were pestering me too often.
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