The Future of Astrology
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I've been rereading my collection of Ivy Goldstein-Jacobson astrology books, and it occurs to me that astrology is approaching a historical bottleneck at least as serious as the one that nearly extinguished it as a living tradition at the end of the Renaissance. That bottleneck? Latin. Until William Lilly published Christian Astrology in 1647, pretty much every significant work on astrology in Europe was written in Latin, which meant that they were only accessible to the educated. When astrology dropped out of fashion at the end of the reality wars of the late Renaissance, the educated stopped studying it, end of story....except that Lilly's book was in plain English, and that meant that in Britain, Ireland, and the American colonies (once those were founded), astrology remained in common use among folk practitioners. It's the same story traced out by Agrippa's Three Books of Occult Philosophy, which also got translated out of Latin into several vernaculars around the same time, and preserved Renaissance magical philosophy straight through the dark ages of rationalist materialism that followed. In both cases, it was the folk practitioners who kept things going, and it was from there that astrology and magic both revived in the nineteenth century.
The bottleneck this time? Mathematics. It's not actually that difficult to calculate an astrological chart by hand -- in fact, if you've got a table of logarithms and a few other old-fashioned helps, and aren't afraid to use them, it's a very quick process -- but next to nobody knows how to do it any more.
I was thinking about this while rereading Goldstein-Jacobson's Foundations of the Astrological Chart, which gives detailed instructions on how to do the thing. (So do dozens of other old books on the subject.) As the computer age winds to its end, and the capacity to type in some data and get back a fully calculated chart goes away for the foreseeable future, astrology will drop dead in its tracks if nobody knows how to crunch the numbers themselves. That seems worth doing something about.
...and more generally it's got me wondering about how today's occult traditions are going to weather the Long Descent and the deindustrial dark ages ahead. Much to think about...
thanks
Date: 2018-02-03 05:01 pm (UTC)"reality wars of the late Renaissance"
I am stealing this.
Re: thanks
Date: 2018-02-03 06:34 pm (UTC)New knowledge resources
Date: 2018-02-03 05:31 pm (UTC)Re: New knowledge resources
Date: 2018-02-03 06:37 pm (UTC)(no subject)
Date: 2018-02-03 06:32 pm (UTC)It is during those decades that occult and esoteric treatises in English could be -- and were -- printed without any restraint, for example, Lily's _Christian Astrology_ in 1647, Agrippa's _Three Books of Occult Philosophy_ in 1651, _The Fourth Book of Occult Philosophy_ attributed to Agrippa in 1655, and John Heydon's works such as _A New Method of Rosie Crucian Physic_ (1658) and _Theomagia_ (1662-1664).
Once such a book was printed in English, some 1200 copies per edition were released into the hands of anyone who could read English and had some cash to spare. These old editions were very sturdy volumes, by and large, and copies of them that had been printed in the 1600s were still being sold, read, and actively used well into the 1800s by a significant number of people from a wide range social classes.
Floodgates were opened wide in those days. Now, as JMG rightly points out, we are moving into an age of bottlenecks. Loss of mathematical and (non-electronic) computational ability is one such bottleneck. Another bottleneck seems to be loss of the ability to read long, content-heavy books and master their contents fully.
It is one thing to understand in theory how logarithms work, or how to convert the letters on one printed page after another into intelligible words, sentences and paragraphs. It is quite another thing to become proficient in the use of logarithms, or to read and reread a thick and meaty tome until it is well and thoroughly understood. These are skills that can be acquired only through long, hard hours of practice. -- Robert Mathiesen
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Date: 2018-02-03 06:38 pm (UTC)An online source for Log Tables
Date: 2018-02-03 09:39 pm (UTC)https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elias_Loomis.
He wrote these other books too:
The recent progress of astronomy; especially in the United States (1850)
Elements of Analytical Geometry and of the Differential and Integral Calculus (1851)
The Elements of Geology Adapted to the Use of Schools and Colleges (1852)
Elements of Natural Philosophy Designed for Academies and High Schools (1858)
An Introduction to Practical Astronomy With a Collection of Astronomical Tables (1860)
Elements of Geometry and Conic Sections (1861)
Elements of Plane and Spherical Trigonometry (1862)
Tables of Logarithms of Numbers and of Sines and Tangents (1862)
A Treatise on Algebra (1868)
A treatise on meteorology : with a collection of meteorological tables (1868)
Re: An online source for Log Tables
Date: 2018-02-04 04:51 pm (UTC)Channeling?
Chris doesn't seem to be in to the long decent but he does seem to be moving that direction.
In collage I got the very tail end of something like a real world engineering education. Including logarithms on a stick - aka a slide rule. I also had one of the first run HP 35 scientific calculators. One thing they pushed on the slide rules was the ability to make estimates. Quickly determining the approximate value of the answer. Another useful tool - gone with the dodo.
Doubt I get very far with it but I've picked up the Ivy and W. Lilly book for some thing different to read.
John - NJ0C
Re: Channeling?
Date: 2018-02-04 04:53 pm (UTC)Speaking of which, do you think you could write up an essay on how to learn how to make estimates, the way you did with a slipstick, and post that online somewhere? That's also information worth saving.
Re: Channeling?
Date: 2018-02-04 05:44 pm (UTC)My dad was a bomber navigator in WWII (USAF transports after) and I pickup the slide rule from him at some point in High School. As usual, wish I'd picked up a lot of other things from him. I still have his Picket and a number of others I had in High School and Collage.
Calculating a chart by hand from Goldstein-Jacobson
Date: 2018-02-03 11:03 pm (UTC)I started with G-J's book. When I calculated the chart, however, the ascendant came up as my sun sign as well. I knew that wasn't right because I'd been born a bit before midnight, thanks to working through George's book at the same time. So I pulled up the web chart and started working backward from it to figure out where I'd gone wrong. I'd made two errors, as it happened. One was I'd used the incorrect time zone correction (CST, where I live now, instead of EST where I was born), yielding an incorrect local time; that was easy to understand and fix. The other, though, seems to be something I still don't understand how to do correctly in G-J's method. I found this out because I used George's method to calculate the chart using the correct local time, and using his method, the chart I calculated agreed with the web chart. If you have any advice on this, I'd appreciate it, as otherwise I find G-J's math easier to understand.
Re: Calculating a chart by hand from Goldstein-Jacobson
Date: 2018-02-04 04:56 pm (UTC)Do you have a correctly cast chart to check your work with, by the way/ That's a very useful thing in the early stages of learning, since it's much easier to figure out what you did wrong. If you don't, astrology sites such as astro.com have free online chart programs.
Re: Calculating a chart by hand from Goldstein-Jacobson
Date: 2018-02-04 05:24 pm (UTC)Earlier this morning I went back to Goldstein-Jacobson's book and re-worked my chart through obtaining the cusps from Dalton's table of houses. This time I got the same ST as that from the chart from astro.com, as well as the same cusps, within what I expect is the error from the latitude not matching exactly. It also matches the ST I got using George's method. Having just found the piece of paper on which I made the first attempt, I see I neglected to add the LMT to both corrections and to the ST from the ephemeris when I worked the chart the first time. *feeling of relief mixed in with a little chagrin at making the error*
Re: Calculating a chart by hand from Goldstein-Jacobson
Date: 2018-02-05 05:03 pm (UTC)Ephemerides
Date: 2018-02-04 02:43 am (UTC)In the early modern period, ephemerides were used by astrologers, astronomers, cartographers and mariners, among others. The shift from Ptolomaic cycles and epicycles to Keplerian heliocentric astronomy was, in may ways, part of a search for more accurate (or less pitifully inaccurate) ephemerides.
John Roth
Re: Ephemerides
Date: 2018-02-04 04:57 pm (UTC)Traditional Astrological Instruments
Date: 2018-02-04 04:31 am (UTC)Kevin
Re: Traditional Astrological Instruments
Date: 2018-02-04 04:59 pm (UTC)Re: Traditional Astrological Instruments
Date: 2018-02-05 02:29 am (UTC)http://users.humboldt.edu/rpaselk/EarlySciInstSite/Instruments/Torquetum/Turq.html
After a brief history the text describes the instrument and its uses, supported by some good illustrations. It’s basically an analog computer, like an astrolabe; but with it you can solve problems relating to the angular relationships between horizon, Ecliptic and equator, without recourse to what would otherwise be some seriously gnarly math.
With an astrolabe, a torquetum, an armillary sphere and an ephemeris, I should think you could be in business as an astrologer or antique astronomer. Though personally I’m also partial to Gemma’s rings and armillary sundials.
Kevin
Re: Traditional Astrological Instruments
Date: 2018-02-05 05:06 pm (UTC)Re: Traditional Astrological Instruments
Date: 2018-02-05 09:08 pm (UTC)I'm working with a friend of mine who has a laser cutter to make an astrolabe out of something like acrylic. There are also paper templates which you can download here — https://in-the-sky.org/astrolabe/ — and I've pasted the pieces on to foamboard and similar things; and I've tried woodburning the template with unpleasant results... too hard to get these things made accurately with only hand tools and no jigs or templates to steady the work. (I'll have to talk to Chris Schwarz, maybe he has some ideas about how to make an Anarchist's Astrolabe, the same way he's written about furniture and tool chests... As JMG is to occultism, so is Chris Schwarz to woodworking...).
It's much easier to make volvelles out of paper, and maybe out of leather, than it is to make astrolabes, I suspect. Here's one of my attempts: https://andrewbwatt.com/2017/03/16/volvelle/ But you're still reliant on computer printers, at least at this point... I should work on writing up the geometric process for laying out a volvelle by hand at some point...
Figuring out how to use these tools .
Re: Traditional Astrological Instruments
Date: 2018-02-04 06:03 pm (UTC)Feel like I might be pushing this a bit but...
You might find 'From Truths to Tools' by Jim Toplin and George Walker interesting. Sort of a comic book explanation of the rudiments of measuring tools. Aimed at woodworkers but a generally useful discussion of how a lot of the common measuring devices came about. They have two other books that get more detailed. You can find them at lostartpress.com. All are available in .pdf. Lost Art Press refuses to sell through normal book channels like Amazon and Barns and Noble. The American Anarchist's take on things. I approve.
Re: Traditional Astrological Instruments
Date: 2018-02-05 05:06 pm (UTC)(no subject)
Date: 2018-02-04 05:22 pm (UTC)(no subject)
Date: 2018-02-05 05:12 pm (UTC)paper on the mathematics of astrology
Date: 2018-02-05 10:43 am (UTC)http://www.math.nus.edu.sg/aslaksen/projects/kh-urops.pdf
Re: paper on the mathematics of astrology
Date: 2018-02-05 05:12 pm (UTC)(no subject)
Date: 2018-02-05 01:17 pm (UTC)Crucial observation! It's almost as if intellectual history is subject to the same evolutionary bottlenecks as everything else... ;)
But it'll sure put me in a pickle personally: I didn't go to high school, so spent my time with Joyce, Beckett, Nietzsche and co. and an assortment of dead languages, avoiding math almost completely. Definitely kicking myself now. Given my almost total mathematical illiteracy, it's piquantly ironic that I of all people should be pushing the early modern occult-scientific mathesis narrative! But those Islamicist historians of science who can actually swing the math are of course doggedly occultophobic, almost without exception (Pingree being one of the exceptions). So the burden has fallen to me -- hence my attraction to geomancy over astrology, since with the former I can actually understand what's going on without relying on a computer.
Speaking of bottlenecks and modern astrology, a quick question, if I may? Following your lead, I've started to take Uranus and Neptune into account, with interesting results, since Uranus in particular turns out to be the most dignified planet in my chart (9 essential and 12 accidental), and is in Scorpio in house 10 and within orb of Midheaven, semisextile to Neptune and, crucially, square my big Sun-Mercury-Mars conjunction in Aquarius in house 1. (Wonder why I got into Islamic occultism as my day job...) But it is only since realizing this basic fact that Scorpian energy has boomed in my life, in a mostly good way, especially professionally.
Now I'm sure it was running in the background all along, and has now simply become available to me for conscious use. I'd like to learn how to better manage my Uranus-Scorpio-MC node though, given that it's the primary point of tension with my core identity (and considerably beefed up by my also heavily dignified Moon in Cancer) -- and given that I'm an academic without tenure. Since Chris Warnock doesn't go in for modern astrology, can you recommend a professional you'd trust to whip up a Uranus talisman?
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Date: 2018-02-05 05:22 pm (UTC)The thing is, you're actually at a bit of an advantage, because you've got an opportunity to learn older approaches to mathematics without going at it from within a modern mathematic framework. I'm reminded of the guy some decades back who set out to redo all the math in Newton's Principia Mathematica using modern mathematical methods, on the assumption that of course it would all be easier now. Au contraire, he discovered that Newton's geometrical and proportional methods (derived from medieval and Renaissance math, which of course derived in turn from the mathematical heritage of the Muslim world) solved each equation more quickly and elegantly than the modern methods did.
My suggestion? Get a good classic work of Persian mathematics from the post-Mongol period, and work through it until you can do everything in it. Go from there to the classic astrological texts in the same tradition. Learn it as though you're lapping it up from a teacher in fifteenth-century Samarkand. You'll then be in a position to teach it to others -- and I suspect you'll find an eager market.
With regard to a Uranus talisman, that's a subject on which, as far as I know, even the most basic work has not yet been done. Since there's no kamea of Uranus -- it's impossible to form a magic square with less than a 3 x 3 grid -- the most common symbolism isn't available, and a set of magical images still has to be worked out and tested. I'm not sure what to suggest, and it's not something I'm going to do personally, as my natal Uranus is in its detriment and so not suited to an astrological talisman.
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Date: 2018-02-05 05:24 pm (UTC)(no subject)
Date: 2018-02-05 07:50 pm (UTC)As for a Uranus talisman, JMG, can any of the sixteen geomantic figures be plausibly associated with Uranus by modern geomancers? If so, then one might design and make an eight-spoked talisman (following the general pattern of the Key of Solomon pentacles with eight spokes) using eight of the geomantic characters derived from that geomantic figure. (The use of eight-spoked talismans goes back at least as far as to Anglo-Saxon times in England.)
-- Robert Mathiesen
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Date: 2018-02-05 11:50 pm (UTC)(no subject)
Date: 2018-02-06 08:47 am (UTC)In addition to what as already been said, I wanted to add that given the usefulness of the mathematical techniques needed to predict tides, latitudes and balistics, which happens to be the same toolkit needed for astrology, as long as astrology keeps people interested in its spiritual side, I am not worried for its survival.
Which, at contrario, and in full agreement with your first post, means that I am deeply worried about Mathematics. And here I mean the chunk of this continent explored between 1700 and now. While probabilities will probably survive due to their practical use, the depth of group theories and alike (Think Abel, Goedle, etc) seem to me to be at huge risk. And that not only because they have no direct obvious practical use. But also because there is no where, to my knowledge, any group interested in its spiritual side. I don't know of anyone who both understands those things and actually meditates on them in the magical sense of it. There are probably some people, the Saint Explorers of Mathematics, who do. But they are not enough, I fear, to foster the energy needed for Mathematics as such to survive. And this, sadly, also applies to Physics.
And yet, maybe it is mid-life crisis, maybe it is the tide changing, but I end up more and more talking with colleagues about the meaning, and sometimes even the Meaning of our cosmological model... It is timid, sometimes almost bordering demureness, but it exists. I thus thought it might come as a little glimmer of hope. And as a direction in which, maybe, to work. If there was a book on magical training that would speak to scientists... That would bring them (lure them ?) to meditate on their science, to lead them slowly to discover the magical dimension of their work... That would really be useful. Such a thing could come from a scientist, deciding to train on magic, and getting good enough at it... But, admitting that such a person could exist, it would take him ages,if he could get there... Thus I though that maybe someone here might take the idea, make it his and... well, who knows ?
And finally, all that I read here made me wonder: You astrologers who write and/or lurk here around, do you sometimes take your chart and go outside, checking it on the actual sky ? This is not a trick question, it is just plain curiosity.
Yours, under the always moving skies
Seb
PS: I think that you are right: there is probably a market for astrolabes and other useful for astrology: they are beautiful tools (John Michael, did I mention that I just started actually learning how to work with metal ? ;-) )
What I wanted to say was that while I agree that Mathematics is in danger of loosing huge chunks of its discovered continent, the odds of loosing the knowledge needed to do astrology are, in my opinion, extremely low.The toolkit needed to calculate charts, and (which is in my mind even more complicated) predict ephemerids, is the same than the one needed for balistics. And it also is the same toolkit needed to predict tides. And it is also the same toolkit needed to predict where one is on Earth, including latitudes calculations (which also needs a decently stable clock, which I thus think is there with the things that will probably go through). And while I don't know anyone personally who can do those calculations without a computer ic et nunc, I know many who could.
And the lively comments here showed, that indeed, there are even more people around able to do these things.
My gut feeling is thus that mathematics needed for astrology, together with the astronomical science needed for astrology is probably shielded as much as possible already thanks to balistics, geo-location and the commercial and military value of predicting tides.
Note that this doesn't mean that people interested in astrology should not work hard to get the technical mathematical skills needed. Because people interested in astrology are needed for astrology itself to survive. And for that, astrology is probably in better shape than Mathematics. For, I see here, many people interested in the "meaning of astronomy", which could be an other name of astrology.
While there are not that many people able to grasp Mathematics and interested in the Meaning of it. I know it from first ground that this is true for Physics as well.
And that for several reasons. First, the mathematic techniques needed for astrology, while complex in a "juggling with many balls" way, are simple enough to be dealt with in depth without computers. (note here that simple, again, isn't identical to easy).
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Date: 2018-02-06 06:30 pm (UTC)(no subject)
Date: 2018-02-07 04:26 pm (UTC)Yes, I agree with you. And if I squint right, I might even find that there is a nostalgic beauty to it...
Seb
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Date: 2018-02-07 05:16 pm (UTC)Checking The Sky
Date: 2018-02-07 12:06 am (UTC)You asked if astrologers ever checked the actual sky for what's going on. The answer, at least in this case, is yes. I've got sort of a weird split going on in my study of astrology for that reason — I tend to do tropical astrology (based on the idea that 0° Aries matches the spring equinox) with astrological charts, and sidereal astrology (what the skies are actually doing) when outside and looking up at the Moon. I learned from Christopher Warnock's book THE MANSIONS OF THE MOON (which I think JMG helped with?) that there was a sort-of-separate "zodiac" for the Moon consisting of the 28 segments that it takes the Moon about a day to cross... and that these segments were identified in part by the positions of named stars. So I've been learning to identify these stars, the constellations they're in or near, and use those as a way of mapping the local sky.
I'm always particularly moved by the (tropical) Full(ish) Moon in Gemini, which occurs when the Sun is in Capricorn. At this point, the Moon is usually on the shoulders of Orion, appearing as the head of that constellation; I now get similarly excited about the Sun in late (tropical) Gemini, just before Summer Solstice, when it's the Sun serving as Orion's head.
I don't know that there are a LOT of astrologers that care about this particular pair of stellar experiences, but I know that I am deeply moved by it.
Re: Checking The Sky
Date: 2018-02-07 04:28 pm (UTC)thanks for your answer. While I don't practice astrology, I am getting always more and more fond of looking at the skies. But since I spent more than two decades studying them without actually going out and looking at them, I was wondering how astrologers were doing on their side ;-)
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Date: 2018-02-06 01:12 pm (UTC)Re math, hmm, very comforting. I've actually been working a bit with a popular Safavid manual, Qutb al-Din Ishkavari Lahiji's (d. btw. 1677-84) Latayif al-hisab ('Subtleties of Calculation'), which is quite explicit about the occult-scientific uses, especially lettrist/kabbalist, to which basic math is to be put. As far as I know, it's the first such Persian manual to be so explicit, epitomizing a larger 15th-17th-century trend in the Persianate world toward the total de-esotericization of occultism. So great, I have my marching orders...
As for the Uranus talisman, love the geomantic approach, will have to give it a whirl. And given the intense Aquarian-Uranian tenor of my chart, I'm quite friendly with Tristitia already -- usually experience it as a positive energy, oddly enough.
But surely a magic square appropriate to Uranus can be worked out as well? In the eastern lettrist tradition (i.e., east of Syria), the Moon gets a 3 x 3, Mercury a 4 x 4, Venus a 5 x 5, the Sun a 6 x 6, Mars a 7 x 7, Jupiter an 8 x 8, Saturn a 9 x 9, and the Head a 10 x 10. (The western method follows the reverse order, with the exception of that associated with the Head.) Couldn't Uranus then be assigned the 10 x 10 instead, Neptune a 11 x 11 and the Head a 12 x 12? Or perhaps the Head should keep its venerable place (since the eastern and western traditions agree on that point) and Uranus be assigned the 11 x 11?
The issue of climes is a bit of problem, however. As one of my 16th-century manuals puts it:
"It should also be noted that the seven planets are associated with the seven climes and have a perfect correspondence therewith. In this is an important point that must be observed at all times: whenever one is performing an operation to benefit another person or oneself, one must attend to which clime is appropriate and which planet corresponds thereto; it is imperative that this correspondence be used so as to avoid error and be sure of activating its benefit."
Can we up the climes to nine?
And Robert, what a wonderful man! They sure don't make them like that anymore. Really can't believe how those SOBs treated him, what insanity...
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Date: 2018-02-06 06:46 pm (UTC)In the eastern lettrist tradition, are there names of intelligences and spirits of the planets that derive from the magic squares, as there are in the western tradition? The latter clearly won't work with the eastern squares, as (say) the name of Zazel, spirit of Saturn, is derived via gematria from the 3 x 3 square of Saturn.
The neglect of Uranian magic is one part of the self-defeating split in the Western occult community between supporters of tradition who reject all innovation and supporters of innovation who reject all tradition. I'm currently working on the basic theory of what I've come to term post-Plutonian astrology, with three Primaries (Sun, Moon, and Earth), seven Secondaries or planets (Mercury, Venus, Mars, Jupiter, Saturn, Uranus, and Neptune), and a great many Tertiaries or minor bodies and points (minor planets, asteroids, Kuiper Belt bodies, parts, nodes, etc.); I expect it to offend both sides equally -- and so it would be lagniappe to include instructions for magical work with all seven Secondaries...
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Date: 2018-02-07 12:50 pm (UTC)It must be stressed that the eastern tradition (Iraq to India and Central Asia) is essentially identical to the western (Maghrib to Syria, whence Latin) tradition, and indeed the former is simply an extension of the latter: in other words, it's all the Western tradition. But the two basic differences between them -- reversed order of planetary magic squares, and a slightly different order to the numerological values of the Arabic alphabet -- have more sweeping implications than I'd realized before.
Yes, both sides derive the names of planetary intelligences and spirits, angels and jinn (called the planets' helpers (a'wan)) from their associated magic squares; and in both cases (the Latin branch excepted, of course) everything is tightly bound up with quranic letter magic and divine-names magic. In the early modern Safavid context I'm working on at the moment, in fact, the names of the Fourteen Infallibles of Twelver Shi'ism were also made the basis of a major letter-magical operation invented by one Mahmud Dihdar Shirazi (fl. 1576), the most prolific Persian author on lettrism of the 16th century, to aid in the shi'ization of Iran -- an objective quite successfully achieved. (The state-of-the-art treatise in which he does so, Choicest Talismans, is edited and translated in my forthcoming book The Occult Science of Empire in Aqquyunlu-Safavid Iran.) But the basic structural differences do mean that the names of the planetary intelligences and spirits and their associated helpers and divine names are different. As that may be, folks like Dihdar are quite insistent that both approaches, and the many internal variations of each, are equally valid and experimentally effective.
For our own latter-day Western purposes, however, it would appear the most important implication is that the eastern tradition is the only one that can be seamlessly modernized. By adopting it, of course, some of the various names will change, but such alternatives have had an excellent track record for the last 800 years or so, so are perfectly reliable for modern astral-magical use.
The total synthesis of eastern and western Arabic astral magic with quranic and divine-names magic, a seachange dating to the 13th century and initiated in North Africa, is, I grant, a much knottier issue. I have no clue as to how that might be modernized as well, though I have a feeling someone in Najaf or Damascus or Shiraz or Lahore is working on it as we speak.
In any case, what do you think? Could a stripped-down and updated version of the eastern half of the Western tradition work for post-Plutonian astrology purposes?
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Date: 2018-02-07 04:22 pm (UTC)Integrating the magic of divine names will of course vary based on which divinity or divinities you intend to use, and which alphabet you have in mind! Standard Golden Dawn practice uses the Jewish divine names and the Hebrew alphabet; the Druidical GD, my lively little heresy, uses Celtic divine names and the Coelbren alphabet; other names and other alphabets are also options. A good survey of principles would be helpful, but from there on the different traditions will have to get hopping.
I'll look forward to the publication of your book! Do you have a publisher lined up yet?
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Date: 2018-02-06 01:23 pm (UTC)https://tinyurl.com/y7ep25nb
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Date: 2018-02-06 06:46 pm (UTC)Hellenistic astrology
Date: 2018-02-09 04:22 am (UTC)I don't really follow the rest of his astrology, but somehow after reading his book, it seemed like the former Hellenistic texts I had been trying to read but failing to understand opened up to me.
Anyway on the matter of future astrology without computers, might not the revival of Hellenistic methods make a difference? The Hellenistic whole sign house charts are a lot simpler than modern houses, not requiring as much calculation, and seem to work well for their users. I'm curious if you had ever studied any Hellenistic astrology; I know you worked with Warnock, who bases most of his work on Lilly, but I found Lilly with his use of almutens much more mechanical than the Hellenes.
Anyway I found your brief description of Saturn being associated with hard work while Jupiter is associated with luxury and enjoyment a while ago quite helpful and was wondering where you came across that.
It does make sense even mythologically with Kronos/Saturn teaching humans agriculture while Zeus enjoys his pleasures. I guess this association was even present in the ancient texts but somehow I got it in my head that Jupiter was associated with wealth and satisfaction as the result of hard work through reading some modern occultists. (Their reasoning was that tin, unlike gold or silver, is used in more "practical" metalwork, but the same could well be said of lead)
Saturn is very prominent in my chart, being in Aquarius in the Tenth House during the day. I would like to be more industrious and active but I often have bouts of lethargy while I lie down and read.