Magic Monday
Sep. 27th, 2020 11:37 pm
It's getting on for midnight as I write this, so we can proceed with a new Magic Monday. Let's start things out with a quote again: "As a student of metaphysics, you may expect very little encouragement from those about you; be prepared to resist the encroachment of circumstances. The true mystic is sustained by his own spiritual understanding. The source of all truth and inspiration is within. When you have developed this inner realization you will have gained a strength and peace which the material world can never take from you. Spiritual knowledge bestows security under any and all conditions."
That's from Manly P. Hall's Self-Unfoldment by Disciplines of Realization, arguably Hall's best book and one of the classics of the Golden Age of American occultism. (The image to the left, on the other hand, is one of Augustus Knapp's splendid illustrations for Hall's The Secret Teachings of All Ages.)
Ask me anything about occultism and I'll do my best to answer it. Any question received by midnight Monday Eastern time will get an answer. (Any question received after then will not get an answer, and will likely just be deleted.) If you're in a hurry, or suspect you may be the 143,916th person to ask a question, please check out the very rough version 1.0 of The Magic Monday FAQ here.
***This Magic Monday is now closed -- see you next week.***
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Date: 2020-09-28 03:57 am (UTC)A huge THANKYOU for recommending Joscelyn Godwin’s book The Theosophical Enlightenment to me as a source of information about the occult scene in England in the early 19th century.
It gave me more juicy info than I imagined was available, and then went on to rumple up my world-view but good. That “provocation theory” is a wowzer!
One form of “provocation” mentioned is the production of poltergeist phenomena, such as Charles Fort documented. Observers usually note that such phenomena occur around individuals in processes of hormonal changes and/or heightened emotional states, but Emma Hardinge-Britten’s informant testifies that he was party to creating it by some form of etheric or astral projection. Do you have any insights into poltergeist phenomena?
KKA
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Date: 2020-09-28 04:01 am (UTC)In general, how common do you think demon possession is? Or astral parasitism?
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Date: 2020-09-28 04:18 am (UTC)1a) In your reply to my question last week about possible kamea of Uranus and Neptune, you said that they would have to be assigned squares of orders 2 and 1, which of course is a dead end for kamea. But can we then definitely say that Uranus would be assigned the number 2, and Neptune assigned 1? That seems to be progress of a sort.
1b) As another line of investigation: For the seven classical planets we have traditional metal assignments - lead, tin, iron, gold, copper, mercury, silver. Could Uranus and Neptune have corresponding metals, and if so, have any of these been established yet?
2) Of the Medieval, Renaissance, and early modern grimoires, what are some of the most worthwhile for the mage in training or occultist in training to study and meditate about?
3) Are the Olympian spirits (as in the Arbatel) a different class of being from the planetary Intelligences, Spirits, angels and so on? What in their nature distinguishes them from those other classes of beings?
4) In certain grimoires that describe pacts with Satan, Lucifer, or Lucifuge Rofocale, and so on, what sort of being would in fact be involved?
Thank you for hosting this forum and for your replies,
Regards,
Josh Rout
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Date: 2020-09-28 04:51 am (UTC)2) I'm not the person to ask. The grimoire literature never interested me much.
3) They appear to be a different class of being. That's about as much as can be said for certain. You can always summon them and ask!
4) Predatory malign beings. You never actually sell your soul to a malign spirit -- you hand it over for free, under the delusion that you're getting something in exchange.
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Date: 2020-09-28 04:19 am (UTC)I previously had Zeus for "spirit above" but since it is a prayer to a solar father I think I should change it to helios or apollo.
Do you have a recommendation for how the Greek gods could be switched up to for that?
Thanks a bunch.
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Date: 2020-09-28 04:27 am (UTC)What would you recommend to get out from under my own curse?
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Date: 2020-09-28 04:30 am (UTC)So I’m going to start this off with a little bit of humor based on a very extensive back-and-forth discussion from last Wednesday’s open post on the main blog. Lo and behold, a grand revelation from the heavens of innumerable quantity (but not quality, obviously):
1. Existence is inebriation
2. The cause of inebriation is the consumption of intoxicating beverages.
3. The cessation of consuming intoxicating beverages is the way to eliminate inebriation.
4. The Noble 12-step path is the finest method in all the horrible hell worlds of cruddy existence to go about systematically ceasing the consumption of intoxicating beverages.
Seriously, (and this is a thank-you, not an angrypost), the way you framed these “truths” as being a simple formula open to countless ad-lib combos, was pretty much a direct-hit torpedo to my serious interest in possibly pursuing Buddhism as a “legit religion” to accessorize my occult studies. I realized I was more attracted to the exterior aesthetics of specific sub-traditions and the institutional legacy of Buddhism being a world religion that has survived to this day after being around for many centuries. And now I’m back at my original feeling that none of the great religious traditions are really suitable for spiritual needs of the age we’re now in. Basically, I’d feel like a total phony affiliating myself with a religion I don’t actually believe in, in terms of its core tenets. I’d be participating in bad faith, and doing so either for opportunistic or superficial reasons. Yuck.
You mentioned the idea that emerging Aquarian religions and pre-existing religions that manage to adapt to Aquarian energies are going to be a lot more focused on this world. (1) Might something like a “Path of Enchantment” emerge as a spiritual path a lot of seekers take up in this age. The idea behind this is taking of spirituality not just for the purpose of self-maturation or purification, but to bring the divine energies from above down here to Earth? (and not in some kind of far-fetched, otherwordly utopian kind of way, a la Pisces). This would mean individuals each doing this in their own little way, each according to their own peculiar inclinations, tastes, and aptitudes. In other words, each doing their own thing, but it all (in theory) adding up for an overall, collective greater purpose. We each work to enchant the world in our own little way. This also sounds like something that would work well in the probable Tamanous culture that might emerge here in the US in several centuries. (2) Could some kind of individualistic-yet-collective effort help work to chip away at the “disenchantment” spell we’ve all been under for quite some time? (I’m eagerly awaiting your upcoming post on this topic)
BTW, for anyone reading who also was participating in the open post last week, I was the one who brought up the fact that some forms of Buddhism don’t deny the existence of the Soul. Click my name and there’s a recent blog of mine where I archived the original comment; I made this to serve as a discussion space for anyone who wants to continue talking about Buddhism as it relates to the debate on the Soul and how Buddhism in general might intersect with our occultism studies.
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Date: 2020-09-28 04:58 am (UTC)Celebrants
Date: 2020-09-28 04:56 am (UTC)It isn't needed imminently, so this is more of a general "how to" than a request for specific names, but how would one go about finding a UK pagan celebrant who would be a reasonable fit for the values of someone who posts regularly here? I have a, perhaps unfair, assumption that many celebrants might be either wishy-washy and deal in platitudes about the state of the world, especially older ones from a New Age background, and that among younger pagan clergy there would be a lot of SJWs and a fringe of white nationalists, with fewer in the middle.
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Date: 2020-09-28 05:02 am (UTC)Saturn is the strongest planet, in rulership, in Aquarius. Saturn ruling Aquarius took me aback but then I was like "Ahhh!".
1. I take it that Saturn in Aquarius means a person is drawn to unorthodox heirarchies and leadership structures?
Saturn is in opposition to Chiron though so I winced at that.
2. Saturn's association with ancestors got me wondering if ancestor work would help or exacerbate the opposition with Chiron?
From a little reading, I have a few nice conjunctions, but those are nerfed. Sun conjunct Mercury, Venus conjunct Jupiter, Moon conjunct Venus. The Sun and Jupiter are in fall.
The worst is Mars which is detrimented but that's unsurprising. I suck at sports, have ridiculously bad luck in fights, and am as far from a man of action as it gets. Mars also squares Saturn.
3. Is planetary charity to Mars still a good idea when it's squared Saturn?
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Date: 2020-09-28 05:38 am (UTC)Saturn in Aquarius, for example, can mean a great many things depending on which house it's in and how it relates to other planets. As for Chiron, it's a minor body and packs very little punch; it's the sort of thing you don't even bother worrying about until you've understood how all your planets relate to one another. As for planetary charity, it's the one thing you can do no matter how your planets are afflicted.
Finally, you may be able to narrow down your birth time a bit. Cast a chart for the beginning of the three hour period, and another for the end. Notice which planets are in which houses, and see if one placement makes more sense than another. If Mercury is in the second house at the beginning of the window and the third at its end, for example, and you hate small talk and don't like to write letters but are good at buying and selling, your Mercury is probably in the second house...
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Date: 2020-09-28 05:31 am (UTC)1) I asked you a couple weeks ago about a blockage in my womb center and in the spine area just behind the womb center, and you suggested trying a extended SOP working to free it. I meditated quite a bit on the telluric current, what it corresponds to, and came to the conclusion that the source of the blockage was old fear and shame (I am the commenter who asked about fear and shame on the open post). After more meditation and divination, I arrived at a working with the intention of invoking courage and serenity, and banishing old fears and shame, which an Ogham reading endorsed.
I've been doing the working daily after starting it at Alban Elued in a Grove ceremony, and so far so good. I have noticed quite some emotional intensity during the invocations and banishing of Water and Earth in particular, and this morning after invoking Spirit Below, I had a pleasant tingling in my spine at the exact area where I had pain (at the area of the womb center but in my back). I suddenly stopped, though, because I remembered in the moment that I should avoid a kundalini awakening, which I don't know much about aside from your warnings about it. This didn't start at the root of the spine nor travel up my spine, but to be safe I just moved on to Spirit Above and finished the SOP. Do you think that might have been the start of a kundalini awakening, or just my womb center responding well to the working?
2) Completely unrelated: over the past few months, I occasionally (2 to 3 times a month at most) have trouble sleeping, because my mind suddenly races from image to image without coherence as I am laying in bed. I have too much energy to sleep, and my mind flits from image to image, all out of sequence, with my mind being almost unable to control it. I have to concentrate on my breathing to stop it. I can't tell if this has always happened to me, and now after meditating almost daily, I am better at observing when my mind jumps around, or whether this is an unpleasant side effect of my DMH practice. Does this sound like the latter to you?
Many thanks!
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Date: 2020-09-28 05:44 am (UTC)2) That sometimes happens in the early stages of magical practice. When it does, sit up, put your feet flat on the floor, and let the excess energy drain out through the soles of your feet. Imagine it flowing down from your head all the way through your body to your feet, and down from there deep into the earth, where it will be absorbed and recycled. Combine that with slow, steady breathing, and see if it helps.
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From: (Anonymous) - Date: 2020-09-28 08:26 pm (UTC) - ExpandTitles telling tales
Date: 2020-09-28 06:23 am (UTC)Today I stopped into a local thrift shop and browsed through the books. I could barely get past the title Making Globalism Work! It was one of those business improvement books promising to put the reader at the front of the pack in terms of looting wealth out of the global economy. But I couldn't help reading it as a desperate plea for everyone to pretend that an unworkable disaster might somehow not be so bad -- like Making Fascism Work, or Making Child Abuse Work. Then there was the 1960's title "Today's Isms". Good Lord, how long have they been trying to peddle their drivel? What similar guides to right-think and Newspeak were being published when the enclosure laws were getting implemented? Don't these "experts" ever get tired of playing the endless apologist for their failed theories?
What are your unsuspecting readers to do when we wake up one day surprised to find ourselves in minds that can think for themselves? Awareness has become a decidedly mixed blessing just now when craziness and disconnection are cynically being turned up to their highest volumes. No wonder so many Hippies wanted to just "drop out" during the stressful protest years!
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Date: 2020-09-28 06:32 pm (UTC)Ham radio
Date: 2020-09-28 06:33 am (UTC)I've just got my licence and would be interested in gauging interest and feasibility for a MM like net sometime. Would anyone who is interested like to comment with your callsign, maidenhead location and bands you can transmit on.
I'm ZL3MDG, RE66IK, I can transmit on 2m and 70cm currently though once I acquire some valves and build a few antennas I should be able to do 10,11,15,20,40,80 and 160m (that may take a while though).
I'm planning to use echolink for an international net once I work it out. Let's see where this goes then, thanks to all. 73
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Date: 2020-09-28 07:21 am (UTC)I want to start learning the art of geomancy. You wrote two books about the subject: "Earth Divination, Earth Magic" and "Art and Practice of Geomancy". Which one is better to start?
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Date: 2020-09-28 08:45 am (UTC)It seems that my default frame of mind when not using my brain for any specific purpose is arguing with people in my head. Doing dishes? Arguing. Driving? Arguing. Standing in line? Arguing. People I know, people I don't know...it's all the same. I'm either attacking their imaginary positions or defending my own.
Once in a while, this will stop, and I will feel actually sane, and it's like taking a breath of air after holding it for a long time. I will realize anew how unpleasant and insane my default mental state is. But I seem powerless to change the default state.
I've tried various forms of meditation, breath techniques, drugs...Just can't seem to nudge my default thought patterns in the direction of clarity/sanity.
Any magical ideas?
Thanks.
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Date: 2020-09-28 06:29 pm (UTC)Or, you could go the Scorpio route and strive to think like a general rather than a foot soldier: using secret intelligence and penetrating observation to discover what makes your enemies tick over. You start by analyzing your own motivations. What is the payoff for the behavior? A feeling of righteous triumph? Justified anger? The sheer joy of battle? A fascination with the flashing swords of wit in intricate interplay? The fun of setting off fireworks just to see people jump?
If not astro-logical, maybe prayer to be shown how the other side thinks could break the dynamic.
Or learn to play chess games entirely in your head, taking both sides of the board and defeating or stalemating yourself time after time. Lawyers spend a good deal of time striving to understand what the other side could do to damage one’s own case. Maybe playing devil’s advocate would sharpen your understanding of other people’s point of view and blunt the force of your own habits of constant conflict.
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Date: 2020-09-28 09:25 am (UTC)It has been an interesting time in the woods this year and there has been a good deal of footfall around the paths and labyrinth.
https://vimeo.com/461174989
Am experimenting with ways to interact with the labyrinth and have currently avoided too much reading etc (to avoid getting pre-conceptions) and instead have been exploring to see what comes to mind using different exercises.
The disorientating track is reminiscent of some of the effects from Tai Chi style calisthenics and in the rotations of walking a meditation spiral. Plus a delightful synchronicity was just recently discovering some of the rotations mirrored in The Dolmen Arch circulation of light!
Visualisations prompted by working in/with the labyrinth are looking promising and I've managed to obtain copies of resources to study at some point (Lawler: Sacred Geometry & Conty: The Genesis and Geometry of the Labyrinth).
I think it was you who recommended the Lawler book a year or so ago, but do you know of any other texts to consider? Ideally towards practical application than purely academic treatment; but, any ideas gratefully received whatever their approach.
Thank you
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Date: 2020-09-28 09:50 am (UTC)2. I had a specific incident that I was curious on it's karmic effects. I was volunteering at a food bank and there was a really old man who wanted the food given to him over the fence skipping the massive line that had people like him waiting. If I had helped him what would karma look like that? (I didn't eventually since the rules were strict)
Hope the questions made sense, I'm clueless on the subject. Also, is there a book I can study to learn about karma?
Couple of questions on entities
3. Is it known for ascended entities to seek guidance from people in an incarnation in the material plane?
4. Hindu mythology has lots of stories around gods incarnating into the material plane on their own will for tasks. Is this a possibility in the occult view?
- Nomad
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Date: 2020-09-28 06:43 pm (UTC)2) In that case you would have gotten the karma of helping someone else cheat. I don't recommend it.
3) Nope. An entity who does that is no wiser or better than you are, and may be considerably worse.
4) You'll have to ask the gods about that!
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Date: 2020-09-28 09:57 am (UTC)I know there has been value in all my suffering, but it is time for things to settle down a bit. Divination has indicated planetary charity to Pluto would be an absolute winner, and I thought I would run the following by you to ensure it is optimal.
1. Invoke using orphic hymn 18 to Pluton (perhaps with black candles?) on Tuesday in the first hour of Mars in the evening
2. Vow to make 13 donations of $13.00 to a charity that rehabilitates criminals or terrorists
3. Make said donations on Tuesday in the first hour of Mars in the evening
How does that look JMG?
Thanks again for Magic Mondays!
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Date: 2020-09-28 10:02 am (UTC)Would I be correct in surmising that any relationship engendered by Mars would be more sexual and physical, and less loving and intimate, than one promoted by Venus?
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Date: 2020-09-28 10:07 am (UTC)Also, do you think the affirmation "I am powerful, proud and in perfect control of my capacities" could backfire or be improved ? Another one is "free, powerful and sincere, I live my desires".
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Date: 2020-09-28 11:09 pm (UTC)2) Why do you want to encourage yourself in feeling proud? Why do you think it's a good idea to live your desires? These aren't rhetorical questions.
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