Open Post for Coronavirus Discussion

[ecosophia]

As I'm sure most of my readers are aware, I've requested commenters over on the main blog to spare us all more discussion of the ongoing coronavirus outbreak, since that's practically all that's being talked about these days on the media or on most of the internet. I plan on keeping that rule in place for a while, because there really are other interesting things to talk about -- but several readers have asked for an opportunity to discuss the outbreak with other members of the community of eccentrics who have gathered around my online writings. 

So here we go. All the usual rules apply -- no profanity, abusive language, flamebaiting, long ideological rants, etc -- and I'd also like to ask people to think twice before posting extreme claims without actual evidence; there's a lot of fearmongering going on just now, and at a time of serious social strain, that can kill people. With that said, have at it. 

Comments

[(Anonymous)]

New York is bemused by Rhode Island's sudden refusal to harbor their presence.

https://www.reddit.com/r/nyc/comments/fr7czg/cross_rhode_island_off_the_must_visit_list/

[ecosophia]

Too funny. I expect to hear Rhode Islanders lobbying to make the ban permanent...

homeopathy

[ritaer]

Many readers may not be aware that homeopathy has a large following in India because of the British colonial past. In fact Indian publishers are a major supplier of homeopathic texts. Of course there are also a fair proportion of the population who follow traditional Ayurvedic medicine. I certainly hope that after the current pandemic passes, someone does a study to compare the results of these modes of treatment to those of conventional Western medicine. I know that homeopaths have claimed high success in treating cholera and other epidemics. Since England still has an active homeopathic community as well, even if adhering to it is seen as making Prince Charles a bit of a crank, it will be interesting to see if their statistics come up different than surrounding nations.

Among other things, my homeopath suggests walking barefoot on unpaved ground and being in the sunshine without glasses for a period each day--15 minutes minimum, if I recall. Old standby immune response herb Echinacea also recommended, and Vitamin C. I think all of the above falls into the 'might help, can't hurt' category--unless one had an allergy to the herb or or no safe place to walk.

We tend to laugh at the superstitious natives or country people who avoid hospitals as someplace you go to die. But common sense would suggest that a building full of sick people is to be avoided when possible--not just the danger of infection but the emotional atmosphere of fear, hopelessness and despair. Moods are contagious too. I had a similar complaint to a friend who rented a room in a Reno casino for our community Sabbat--casinos are emotional cesspools!! What was she thinking?

Stay well.

Rita

Re: homeopathy

[hungryghost108]

For what it’s worth, my wife is a western medicine doctor and she agrees with you about staying away from hospitals. Says you should stay away unless you absolutely have to go.

Speaking of which, her hospital is a regional coronavirus center in Japan. They cleared out the place for coronavirus patients, but there are hardly any. She’s complaining about being bored!

I fear that’s about to change...

[(Anonymous)]

Thanks, JMG. I will assemble all this bewilderment in my head into something approaching coherence and be back to type it up later, assuming the power stays on (we’re having very high winds today).

—Lady Cutekitten

[pagantech]

Very High Winds where?

[(Anonymous)]

Does anyone else think part of why people are melting down is because extreme measures are being implemented but the world they live in (i.e., TV) life goes on as normal?

[drhooves]

Fearmongering, indeed. I've thought for a while the internet had hit peak insanity, but like you mention with this topic there are real consequences. I live in fly-over country in SE Illinois, and there appears to be two major groups of reactions - the paranoia of the germ-uh-phobes that make Howard Hughes look like a slob, and the err, less-than-educated view that this is a complete farce and nothing to worry about.

With reality most likely somewhere in the middle, it's difficult not be a bit stressed. When I mentioned to my manager that I felt like I'm in a herd of spooked gazelles, his sage advice was to "stay in the middle, and don't get picked off"...

[(Anonymous)]

I'd like to offer this article by Charles Eisenstein as the best (though also the longest! - ~9000 words) thing I've read about this so far. I would say that Charles is one of a small handful of other public writers and thinkers who is in the same echelon as our own JMG for breadth of knowledge and ability to tie together disparate ideas and concepts, albeit from a different background (he was originally a mathematician and Chinese-English translator before he branched out into what he's doing now).

https://charleseisenstein.org/essays/the-coronation/

Touches on many different dimensions without getting dogmatic. To my mind, one of the most disappointing things in most discussions of this pandemic is the limited scope - mostly limited to various yes/no arguments about whether the prevailing approach is over-the-top vs. not enough. Many of the larger issues, such as how our response is related to our cultural uneasiness around death, are hardly anywhere to be found in the mainstream or even a lot of alternative media. It was really refreshing to me to read this and I hope others can get something out of it too.

Thank you

[kalitude]

Thank you for posting this, I'd say this sums up most of my feeling on the whole thing.

Aggregating info in a new DW journal about homeopathic treatment

[hannemaniac]

Hi JMG,

Sorry does seem we can't escape it anywhere for the moment, figuratively or literally.

For anyone interested in exploring the potential of homeopathy in the treatment of acute conditions, including epidemic disease, I've aggregated some recent recordings and webinars by world-renowned homeopathy experts here: https://hannemaniac.dreamwidth.org/388.html. I plan to keep it updated frequently, as both of these experts are doing very frequent updates to the homeopathic community. I will also provide links to sign up for future broadcasts, just haven't had time to yet. Comments are open (unmoderated) for now.

I have not included any discussions of the biochemic remedies yet, but your readers have access to that information through you and recent postings here.

Chrysanthemum

Re: Aggregating info in a new DW journal about homeopathic treatment

[(Anonymous)]

Ugh, fixed the dumb typo in the journal name. Typing on a tiny phone screen has drawbacks. Here is the homeopathy info: https://hahnemaniac.dreamwidth.org/409.html

In 2021, President Biden or Trump will be the masked man-

[(Anonymous)]

who first led a masked posse of politicians to tell everyone else to mask up. Even if masking up is stupid, which I doubt, it's a visible leaderish thing to do, and it's what the countries that are more Corona beer than virus are doing.

I'd prefer everyone pulling a t-shirt over their face, but this guy looks okay to me.
(I screwed up and hit post halfway- please delete that)

Rob Zuazua
How can we get Americans to start wearing masks in public? I feel like most Americans have heard so much mixed messaging on masks and there is stigma attached.

I made https://teammasks.org to connect volunteer mask makers with those who need masks, but no one orders

Re: In 2021, President Biden or Trump will be the masked man-

[isabelcooper]

What I've heard re: cloth masks in general is that they're better than nothing/stuff like bandanas. I'm over on makemasks.slack.com, which seems to have a coordination channel going on. (I am currently fumbling my way through, both because I'm not great at pattern sewing and because we have no machine here, so I'm doing it all by hand.)

A different kind of isolation

[slclaire]

The pandemic has had so little effect on my own life that I can't talk about it with my siblings, for instance. I'm an introvert, retired, no TV, don't care for movies, keep myself very busy with my spiritual practice and with various projects of my own choice, and don't shop to buy things we are out of but to replenish the stock in the pantry. My life hasn't changed except that the few social events I would have participated in during March and April have been canceled. I don't feel isolated because I can still email or talk with family and friends. Although I enjoy seeing them in person too, I like being at home even more.

My siblings and their children decided to hold a video cocktail hour once a week while we are all on lockdown. In one respect I enjoy it. We live in several different states so I see them only occasionally. But the video chats mostly serve to emphasize how little I have in common with them. Most of them are bored. Some of them really miss their jobs, like my niece who teaches. They bond over scoring toilet paper, while I am excited about using less of it. I sit there and listen, but I don't have anything to say, because I don't share their experiences. For me, it's just another example that I am walking the way of the lonely ones. At least I know some of you understand, and that helps. Thanks, JMG, for providing us with this outlet!

Re: A different kind of isolation

[weirdtales]

Thank you for this! I woke up way too early this morning, restless about the madness that's taken over our country. It feels like nobody has time for you if you're not in full freak out mode, and I, like you, am definitely not. I spend way too much time NOT watching television and social media.

I'll let C. S. Lewis take it from here (modified slightly to the current situation):

"“How are we to live in an age of pandemics?” I am tempted to reply: “Why, as you would have lived in the sixteenth century when the plague visited London almost every year, or as you would have lived in a Viking age when raiders from Scandinavia might land and cut your throat any night; or indeed, as you are already living in an age of cancer, an age of syphilis, an age of paralysis, an age of air raids, an age of railway accidents, an age of motor accidents.”

In other words, do not let us begin by exaggerating the novelty of our situation. Believe me, dear sir or madam, you and all whom you love were already sentenced to death before CoVID-19 emerged: and quite a high percentage of us were going to die in unpleasant ways. We had, indeed, one very great advantage over our ancestors—anesthetics; but we have that still. It is perfectly ridiculous to go about whimpering and drawing long faces because the microbial kingdom has added one more chance of painful and premature death to a world which already bristled with such chances and in which death itself was not a chance at all, but a certainty.

This is the first point to be made: and the first action to be taken is to pull ourselves together. If we are all going to be destroyed by this novel coronavirus, let that plague when it comes find us doing sensible and human things—praying, working, teaching, reading, listening to music, bathing the children, playing tennis, chatting to our friends over a pint and a game of darts—not huddled together like frightened sheep and thinking about death and destruction. It may break our bodies (so many things can do that) but it need not dominate our minds."

[brendhelm]

Spain seems to be peaking. Italy has almost certainly peaked. The US probably hasn't peaked, but today's case/death numbers are (or at least seem to be) lower than yesterday's. Probably an outlier, but still promising.

What does the community think of the plan found here: https://www.aei.org/research-products/report/national-coronavirus-response-a-road-map-to-reopening/

(Mark L)

[(Anonymous)]

That sounds like a good plan to me.

The best analysis of the situation and appropriate response that I have found so far is this:
https://medium.com/@tomaspueyo/coronavirus-the-hammer-and-the-dance-be9337092b56

At the moment I am mostly trying to convince my friends that there is a light at the end of this tunnel, to which some respond with interest and others double down on doom.

The most encouraging signs so far come from this dataset:
https://healthweather.us/

Looking at data from "smart" cloud-connected health thermometers monitoring about two million people across the US, it is apparent that since the start of social distancing, fever has rapidly declined by 70% across the US - beginning first in California and then taking hold elsewhere as more states got on board. That will be largely representing the flu, but it is also picking up Covid-19 and in any case is showing a clear and rapid effect of social distancing on infectious disease transmission.

You can click on each county for a graph of fever over time. The Covid-19 hotspots in the NYC area, Florida, Michigan, Louisiana, Seattle, etc. all show a spike over the last three weeks, and all of them are now trending rapidly downward.

So my sense is that we will have peak bad news in the next week or so, after which we will gradually begin moving back toward normal, state by state or region by region.

[amritarosa]

Hello JMG,

Thanks for containing discussions on this topic to their own domain here. I completely understand that folks want to talk about it and get insights and have intelligent discussion with others that hang out on your blogs. It's just so nice to visit the other posts and know I'll be seeing discussions of all the OTHER important/novel/educational things!

That being said, I'll share my current state of the home in quarantine:

My own lifestyle hasn't changed all that much, as I'm pretty much a hermity introvert when I'm not at work, and I treasure that kind of time when I can have it. I feel a bit guilty that I'm going to enjoy so much of it in the months to come.

So far I've been able to finish a piece (carving) that due to an intense work schedule at the theater I hadn't been able to. It's the very last piece in a series of three that has taken nearly 3 years to complete, so I'm pretty happy about that!

We have savings and a full food pantry so we're good for a while. I have four gallons of mead that will get bottled sometime soon. My partner is working from home now. Turns out I still like the guy :) I'm on furlough from the main job until August, and I may have an opera in July (but I'm not holding my breath).

The vibe around our neighborhood is cautious, careful, and helpful. The weather beckons towards spring gardening tasks. The crow family is raising another pair of young 'uns in the elm. I'm connecting with friends and coworkers electronically. There are long quiet walks in the misty rain and sudden bursts of sun. The daily ritual & associated practices are energizing, indicating the next piece to come.

The most notable downside is missing working on a show and seeing my crew, and missing T's band rehearsals an gigs. He's shifted to doing more composing, and he practices for the usual amount of hours per day so that part's not too different.

But overall I feel great. I feel good enough that I have energy and resources to spare should any friends or family need. My Spring Equinox divination was surprisingly positive. Time is slow and rich, full of space for making unrushed decisions. That makes me feel wealthy. Minding a balance between discipline and expansiveness, that Saturn/Jupiter balance.

Life, Strength, and Health to all here,
Bonnie

[weirdtales]

Sounds very mature and reasonable to me. Again, I for one am delighted to hear about how this thing is NOT really changing people's lives. Thank you for sharing.

Death denial

[hungryghost108]

The whole thing has only served to emphasize our culture’s pervasive denial of death. I get the feeling that people think that those who die of coronavirus would have lived forever if only it weren’t for that pesky little virus.

Instead, most of those who die would have died relatively soon anyway from cancer or other ways Mother Nature has devised to control population. You can’t say this, however, without being branded heartless etc etc.

There’s a reason they used to refer to influenza as “Old man’s friend.”

[ecosophian]

1. The collapse in oil prices shows me that the US always had the ability to curb power of oil-exporting countries like Russia by simply not using the stuff. People just didn't want to let go of their toys. How much suffering could've been avoided in the last few decades of wars for oil? Makes me really think about the consequences of my own choices and the power of decisions.

2. Its a staple that Baby boomers complain about Millennials ruining the economy. What do Boomers do when there's an illness that threatens their generation? "Shut down the whole country, destroy the economy but don't let any of us die!" Being a Millennial all I can say is "OK, Boomers".

[(Anonymous)]

Fellow millennial here: the irony was not lost on me either. Frankly, I think it's going to blow up soon: you can't have this much generational tension without it finding an outlet.....

[thuley]

To add a magical slant to the discussion: JMG, have you spoken to the virus?

I had an interaction where I felt it butt in on a discussion I was having with one of the Intelligences of the SGO. It was very intimidating, but I left feeling safe so long as I give the prospect of infection due respect and forbearance and support the changes it wishes to make in human consciousness. Since these changes involve prioritizing telecommunication over gass-guzzling travel and giving mother nature a needed breath of fresh air, I was already on board, so good news there.

My friend also had an interaction which reinforced the idea that this is an intelligent force with specific alterations to humanity it intends to manifest and you can clearly tell these intentions by which nation are being forced to adapt painfully to its presence (like US) and which nations are almost ready to go back to business as usual (like South Korea).


And in terms of categories: would you call what we spoke to a nature spirit? Or the astral level of a phyiscal being?

[ecosophia]

No, I haven't. There isn't a lot of it around where I live, and it doesn't seem to be particularly interested in me, so I've left it to do its work. As for the type of spirit, it's a variety of deva -- an oversoul, basically, of a kind of living thing that has not yet evolved the capacity to have much individual consciousness.

cause of death

[(Anonymous)]

Hi JMG and others,

I've been reading up on viruses for the first time since high school and remembering how genuinely weird they are. There's all kinds of testing problems around viruses and one of them is establishing a cause of death.

With most causes of death, there is a single thing that we can point to that killed you. For example, a bus runs you over or your heart fails. (Even then, I found a study where they performed secret autopsies on a group of dead bodies and found that 28% of the causes of death written on the death certificates were wrong!)

With viruses and bacteria it's different. Our body is always 'negotiating' with these in our environment. Most of the time we are in a state of equilibrium with these viruses and bacteria. When a new one comes along, we have to learn to deal with it.

If we don't learn to deal with it, it will throw us out of equilibrium and that might kill us. However, that still wouldn't mean that the virus 'caused' the death. Rather, it seems to me to be a 'whole of system' failure.

In IT, this happens all the time with production incidents (where a whole website goes offline). There's never a single cause but a cascading series of causes. This happened, then this happened and then the straw that broke the camel's back was this.

Same with viruses. The 'cause of death' would look like this: well, he'd been smoking a pack a day for thirty years, he'd been living a sedentary life and was in bad general health, he'd been ill from this other bug for a few months and then he got corona virus.

In this case, they will write corona virus as the cause of death on the death certificate but in reality it was just the straw that broke the camel's back.

Cheers,
Simon

Re: cause of death

[weirdtales]

Or the Camel Light's back, if he was more health conscious.

Thanks for the refresher in viral biology. And I wonder if this doesn't point up a major part of the underlying psychosis. I'm sure a lot of us know, at least subconsciously, that our lifestyles are putting us in danger of death by a thousand cuts, all day every day, and we're worried that this thing might be that one thing too many.

Regarding the Statistics of the Virus's Spread

[(Anonymous)]

Those interested in seeing discussion of the virus in other odd corners of the internet might want to check out this blog post and its comments section:
https://www.fimfiction.net/blog/894901
Both have a heavy focus on statistical analysis and trying to figure out what, in our current environment of often-unreliable media and professional scientists, is actually going on, and the debate looks to have been remaining mostly civil so far.
(And yes, it _is_ a My Little Pony fanfiction website; I did say it was another odd corner.)
Reese

Re: Regarding the Statistics of the Virus's Spread

[(Anonymous)]

Ah, though an update on that one:
https://www.fimfiction.net/blog/895046
Reese

Marcus Aurelius, The Meditations

[(Anonymous)]

I chose this as a meditation theme the other day.

Book Four Paragraph 23: "Universe, your harmony is my harmony; nothing in your good time is too early or too late for me: all comes from you, exists in you, returns to you."

Seems to cover the question of life and dying nicely. I have also been meditating on dying and what I expect to happen when I die. It is the unknown that frightens us.

I find myself very calm and happy at this time. Other people see less calm and happy. "Everything is as thinking makes it so." Marcus again.

Maxine

Re: Marcus Aurelius, The Meditations

[isabelcooper]

You and my mom--I'm trying to argue to her that getting spaghetti sauce is not *actually* the will of the universe here, with very mixed success. :P

And I'm trying to get there myself. As a Millennial who actually would rather my Boomer-and-Silent-aged friends and family *not* die any time soon, even if that means I have to miss a few parties, I'm finding myself a lot more concerned about them than they are. That seems to be a general thing: Mom has been all Marcus Aurelius for a few years in general now*, and is very clear that she doesn't want heroic measures for *anything*. (Her parents both died exactly at 78--albeit my grandfather chain-smoked since 13 and my grandmother was married to him since she was 21, which probably contributed--and she's 73 now, so.) I respect that, and I'm glad she's in a good place about stuff, but ye gods am I not ready either to be without her or to be at that stage of Being An Adult.

Not that my readiness or not will make any difference to the universe, but it's certainly a stumbling block for me.

*She was a Latin teacher for all her working life. It seems to be a hazard of the profession.

TISSUE SALTS EXPERIMENT etc

[(Anonymous)]

Hi JMG a little off topic, but I've just started the trial today, I've worked out all my moon days until the end of the year (just ordered another 1000 tablet bottle of bioplasma !)
Will you still be monitoring the original post for this? Is that the best place to go for updates?

Re covid, I am still working at this stage, I work in packaging and I'm lucky enough to work from home (about 5 years now). Boring cardboard boxes, turns out you need them to pack your goods in to get on a truck!
The strange thing for me is that in some respects, my own world has to some extent been turned upright, after living through nearly 2 years of having it turned on it's head when Mum had the stroke, and prior to it some health problems that have required me to spend most of my spare time with her.
For the last 2 weeks now, I have had my evenings again due to the care home lockdown and have been able to spend time in my vegie garden again. I've planted out the beds with broccoli, spinach pak choy and silverbeet.
The stone fruit and grapes have finished for this season, but the citrus are forming and the chillis keep producing till well in to winter.
My home backs on to parklands so there's no problem at this stage with regards walking the dogs.
Having said all this I would rather be able to still see Mum, but we ring each day to see how she's going and I know/intuit that we'll all be seeing her alive and well soon.
I'm so glad I'm a subscriber to you astrology site as it's helped me to keep things in perspective, as well as knowing it should pass soon.

Kind Regards to everyone,

Helen in Oz
Ps one of these days I must count how may of your books I have (not all read!) At least 20 I reckon, as well as at least that of ones you have recommended! (Plus your original oracle - hanging out for your Tarot ?? hehe)

Pss I have been doing the SOP every day since the start of the year, I am very slow at these things and I'm only at the water stage, but hey, I have a very slow Saturnian view of these things ;-)

Last one, I have been saying an affirmation since mid last year:
"I am healthy, fit and strong" - originally started to get me back to the gym (25 years of going) after Mum left hospital

Re: TISSUE SALTS EXPERIMENT etc

[ecosophia]

I'll be putting up another post soon with some details on the underlying theory, and using that to gather a first round of feedback from participants. Glad to hear that your Mum is doing well, and that you're doing well too -- I suspect a lot of people are using this interval of forced inactivity to rethink parts of their lives.

As for my Tarot, all in good time -- I need to find an illustrator who's willing to work to some very precise descriptions, and correct as needed.

[(Anonymous)]

Thank you for this. Though I didn't post myself, as a long time reader of ADR and Ecosophia, I appreciated reading the different takes on the virus from various commenters under the blog post the week before last, and was disappointed that they weren't to be allowed last week, both because some of these are views not heard very often elsewhere, and because this pandemic is a systemic problem of the sort you and your community have always posted about. Hearing their views as things develop will be interesting, hoping there will be another of these posts every few weeks.

A political twist

[weirdtales]

At the risk of getting my hand bitten, I just want to throw out an idea. Plenty of us have noticed that it's the chattering classes who are shrieking the loudest about all this, the folks represented by the Moon in a mundane chart. They're the folks making the shrillest demands on everyone else.

"Look at all those people crowded onto the beach just across the county line! Such reckless behavior. We have to put a stop to this before they kill us all!!"

(First they stop actually helping the people they claim to represent, and now they've turned into Puritans? Hard to imagine why I don't identify as a Democrat these days...)

Personally, I think they see the writing on the wall for Trump's reelection, following their failed impeachment attempt/circus, and may be at least subconsciously thinking "if we can't beat them in the voting booth, we can at least put them back in their place socially."

Deplorable in '16, Untouchable in '20.

This is getting kinda Orwellian for my tastes.

And who's suffering financially? Not the chattering classes on paid furlough. No. It's the folks who wait the tables at the restaurants they insisted got shut down. And the shopkeepers wondering how they'll pay the rent next month, and feeling bad for having to lay off their clerks, who all had to file for unemployment and food stamps, adding insult to injury, because nobody else is hiring currently either.

What about the plumbers and the garbage collectors? Anybody insisting that they take some time off and wash their grubby hands, stop spreading all those germs? Of course not. I can't be expected to endure my paid vacation time with a clogged toilet and trash piling up!

It's the hypocrisy that gets me. The woman shrieking at the poor kid behind the checkout counter to use some hand sanitizer before touching her groceries, then punching in her PIN number on a card reader that 1000 other people have touched since it was wiped down. That and the complete lack of systems perspective. The point of diminishing returns arrives awfully quickly with a situation like this - the cure likely being far worse than the disease.

But that's just my .02
Grover Walker

Re: A political twist

[(Anonymous)]

It's biting the PMC too. An acquaintance was just laid off with the shutdown of OneWeb, a company planning to launch a series of satellites to provide internet service worldwide without all those pesky cables. They had completed about 10% of the installation when the financial backer pulled the plug with the downturn on Wall Street. Elon Musk's company Starlink is still in business, though. It was a shock to him and his wife, since they are part of the overeducated class.

Since I am part of the PMC, I feel like I have to restrain myself around my circle when speaking about Covid19, or the coming Untergang des Abendlandes. Close family members accuse me of wanting collapse when I point out that decline is inevitable.

I went to my local Whole Paycheck a few days ago (it's the only grocery within walking distance), and was surprised by the number of discarded rubber gloves in the ground. Can't touch anything which may infect me, but one of them can pick it up after me.

Thought Experiment: Covid-19 and Retrotopia?

[(Anonymous)]

I wonder how the Lakeland Republic in Retrotopia would have done when confronted by a pandemic like the current Covid-19 craze?

Re: Thought Experiment: Covid-19 and Retrotopia?

[(Anonymous)]

I also would like to see JMG's response to this ask, but in the meantime...

My fist guess was travel restriction. Have people stay put in place. Don't go out-town, or if you are already, either stay there or volunteer for a quarentine period. All movement of goods and personnel is strictly on a need basis. Then, as the virus slowly spreads from town to town, send the Army Med-Corps, who got all sick during the first or second waves and are now immune to the little beast, to assist the local populations.

Special considerations have to be taken for big cities like Toledo... but you get the gist of it.

[(Anonymous)]

I'm curious if anyone has considered David Crowes research and work?

http://theinfectiousmyth.com/book/CoronavirusPanic.pdf

I don't claim to know much of anything about viruses or virology. However, the hysteria and reaction from governments and people around me has had me scratching my head as to what is going on. His comments on the lack of virus purification, demographics, and side effects of harsh treatment are all really interesting. I'd like to hear thoughts on it.

There is also the influence of Mars coming into Capricorn and soon Aquarius which is fascinating.

And then this morning I saw this
https://www.zerohedge.com/health/covid-19-saving-lives

Interesting times!

-Mark

Astrology of the outbreak?

[(Anonymous)]

I was wondering if there is some way of getting an astrological reading of the pandemic itself, and if you'd be interested in posting it up on Patreon eventually

John Prine

[peter_van_erp]

Hello all,
John Prine, a wonderful musician and songwriter, has recently been put on a respirator,as a result of contracting the Covid19. Please include him in your prayers and meditations.
Thank you,

[brendhelm]

Some thoughts on the astrology of the coronavirus:

Per JMG, the January 10 lunar eclipse seems to be indicative of the outbreak. (Yes, the virus existed before then, but for the most part only in Wuhan.) 4h 5m duration corresponds to 4 + 5/60 months, or until May 12. The midpoint of this period is March 11, which corresponds to the official pandemic declaration as well as the sports shutdown, escalation of European lockdowns, etc.

Point 1: Saturn has left Capricorn for Aquarius and Mars is about to join it, meaning less Capricorn "lockdown" energy. I expect that whatever the situation is as of April 5 will probably be the worst it gets - if you are not already on lockdown by then, you probably won't be.

Point 2: U.S. lunation chart for the March 24 new moon has the nasty stellium all bunched early in the 12th house, supporting of lockdowns especially early in the period. Lunation chart for next month (April 22) moves the broken stellium to house 2 and has the lunation itself in the recreational 5th house and freedom-loving Sagittarius rising.

Point 3: Nodal axis shifts from homebound Cancer/lockdown Capricorn to communicative Gemini/wandering Sagittarius on May 5.

Point 4: Italy and Spain new-case numbers are in for today and are markedly lower. Germany numbers markedly lower as well, but I'm not sure all the reports are in for Germany yet today. Global new case numbers were notably lower yesterday compared to Saturday, but don't know if that's an outlier or a harbinger of a broken trend.

Takeaway: Lockdowns will probably be lifted between April 22 and May 12, which matches the current April 30 recommendation and also matches several geomancy readings I've done on the subject. I'm not sure what the subsequent retrogradations of everything into Capricorn may mean (nor the June eclipses, whose charts I haven't yet looked at) but I suspect it is NOT a "second wave" of the coronavirus.

That said, I'm a beginner at this and don't claim to know everything. This is just my interpretation of the matter and I may be wrong.

[(Anonymous)]

brendhelm
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