Chasing down leads on the origins of the material that went into The Druid Magic Handbook and The Dolmen Arch, and finding something unexpected...Here's a quote from Letters on Tellurism by Gioacchino de Prati, which was published in an English magazine in 1834 and 1835, and which talks at great length about the solar and telluric currents:
"The intelligence of individuals is, in regard to the absolute divine intelligence, nothing but the organs by which and through which the great act of revelation is performed."
Here's a quote from The View Over Atlantis by John Michell, which was published in 1968, and which also talks at great length about the solar and telluric currents:
"The instrument of all human enlightenment is an educated mind illuminated by revelation. [..] Those...by whom the great discoveries in every age are made, are always those who have prepared themselves for revelation by the cultivation of such interests as characterize the natural philosopher."
It's quite possible that Michell read de Prati -- he was ferociously erudite and knew a great many obscure byways of occultism -- but there's more going on here than the possible continuity of a tradition.
Down through the years there's been a lot of sloppy talk about the purpose of occult training. What makes it sloppy is the rather too common assumption that there's just one purpose, and all the different systems out there are better or worse methods for reaching the same ends. Not so; different systems presuppose different goals. These days, even though quite a few of the old occult schools have gone extinct, you can find various schools with their own goals -- those in the Rudolf Steiner tradition, which focus on developing seership; those pursuing various forms of Christian mysticism, which focus on seeking union with God through love; those in the broad Golden Dawn tradition, which use the methods of ritual magic to open up contact between the lower self and the higher self; and so on.
What de Prati and Michell are talking about is something else again: a system of training that starts with "such interests as characterize the natural philosopher" and proceed from there to develop the capacity for revelation, which in the sense these authors have in mind means intuitive insight -- "the order of art and science seen in a flash" -- guided by an awakening sense of the whole cosmos and the place of each individual phenomenon in it.
Two reflections come to mind:
First, I'd wondered for quite some time why the Druid Revival didn't get into operative magic until quite late in its history -- as far as I can tell, not until the implosion of the Golden Dawn in 1903 sent a lot of well-trained Hermetic magicians into the Druid scene. This may be why. The goals outlined in de Prati and Michell fit very well with the image of the Druid in 18th and 19th century culture, and it may be that a careful study of old Druid writings will show other traces of the training meant to prepare the mind for revelation.
Second, it seems to me that the particular skill set I've sketched out here is not something that existing occult schools teach, and it's something that the world could really, seriously use right now. Educated minds illuminated by revelation could accomplish much.
Now to figure out more about the methods...
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Date: 2019-03-23 07:21 am (UTC)Reminds me of Buckminster Fuller's assertion that humans were the sense organs of a self-observing universe.
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Date: 2019-03-23 05:21 pm (UTC)To borrow a phrase from another iconic writer of the 1960s and 1970s, I've always found Fuller a worthy opponent -- the places where I think he's most wrong inspire more clarity of thought than the best work of many other people. I need to dive into Synergetics again sometime soon.
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Date: 2019-03-23 05:23 pm (UTC)Education and illumination
Date: 2019-03-23 02:25 pm (UTC)Bogatyr
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Date: 2019-03-23 05:23 pm (UTC)Re: Education and illumination
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Date: 2019-03-23 06:16 pm (UTC)Writing Poems--Robert Wallace--a college textpook
THE Making of a Poem: a Norton Anthology of Poetic Forms--Mark Strand and Eavan Boland--villanelles, pzntoums, sestinas, oh my--definitions and many examples of standard western formal poetry
Sound and Sense: an Introduction to Poetry--Laurence Perrine, more about close analysis than about writing, but a standard textbook
The Poet's Handbook-Judson Jerome--organized by topics rather than by forms
Any of these were common enough textbooks to be found in used bookstores or online.
Rita
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Date: 2019-03-23 09:23 pm (UTC)Hi Bogatyr & JMG,
I've had some very interesting experiences with this book recently, and would highly recommend the study guide that was made to go with it (free, downloadable) as a really good place to start. The book itself has some power and some preferences - it will not allow skimming, for one thing, and it goes forwards and backwards...there are things hidden within left to the attentive seeker to discover. Several friends have reported similar interactions with it.
It's not strictly about learning metrical poetry, but it was written for school children and has a freshness and absence of assumptions about the learner that I really like. One could well proceed on to more formal books on learning poetry from there.
I also really like the spell it's loosing in the world. I want to buy like 30 copies and give them to all my friends who have children or are teachers.
the book: https://www.thelostwords.org/
the study guide: https://www.johnmuirtrust.org/initiatives/the-lost-words
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Date: 2019-03-23 03:37 pm (UTC)Even a taste of the clarity of a Euclid, Hypatia, Issac Newton, Nikola Tesla, or John von Neumann would be sublime.
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Date: 2019-03-23 05:24 pm (UTC)(no subject)
Date: 2019-03-23 04:07 pm (UTC)It's worth meditating on the sorts of things that Natural Philosophers were doing back in the day. Broadly speaking, weren't they looking for patterns in the way that Nature works to gain an understanding of the underlying 'philosophy' of Nature? In other words, a sort of unified-fields theory...
Nicholas Taleb says, in his Black Swan/Incerto series of books, that mathematics is really a tool to enhance meditation, and I think it is helpful to some people when used as a means to pursue an understanding of nature.
Mathematics is not everyone's cup of tea--
But as an analogy, I used to have great difficulty with listed street directions until I began to visualize the directions as they were given to me. Shifting the processing centre from 'hearing' to 'visual' made a world of difference. In the same way, it is thought that early use of the abacus by Asian children trains them to use the visual cortex for maths-- and that leads to better skills in maths.
As for Revelation-- how far can we go with that, given the limitations of human-ness? Or is this possibly a way around those limitations?
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Date: 2019-03-23 05:27 pm (UTC)Revelation is always a possibility for human beings; a lot of people have had revelatory experiences of greater or lesser intensity, and some cultures (for example, many Native American societies) made the search for a personal revelation a normal part of becoming an adult. The thing to remember is that revelation always comes from outside, but we can always prepare ourselves to receive it.
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Date: 2019-03-23 04:12 pm (UTC)Thanks,
Linda
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Date: 2019-03-23 05:28 pm (UTC)(no subject)
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Date: 2019-03-23 05:08 pm (UTC)If not every path leads to the same place, then the individual must -make a choice- , and that not everything, everywhere, will be attained by that person in one lifetime. Which can be scary for those who suffer from FOMO or who have a desire to be objectively "top of the heap". Or who don't want the responsibility of choosing, and so pretending we all end up in the same place with the same set of skills and experiences is more comforting.
The emphasis on discursive and other related types of meditation as a foundation skill in the Druidic path was one of the things that immediately stood out to me as something that set it apart from other paths I've practiced or researched. In the beginning I wondered what was so important about that, but it didn't take long to realize that my thought habits were getting a real workout- training for "Educated minds illuminated by revelation". It's to date the most difficult practice I've undertaken, but it yields real, tangible results.
Good stuff!!
I'm happy that the Dolmen Arch course is nearing its release date, and look forward to exploring that, once my year of current practice commitments is finished :)
As always, many thanks!
Bonnie
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Date: 2019-03-23 05:35 pm (UTC)I'm very excited about the Dolmen Arch, and will post something here as soon as I have a release date.
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Date: 2019-03-23 07:05 pm (UTC)https://www.reddit.com/r/holofractal/comments/9i4snq/the_generalized_music_gm_model_of_universal/
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Date: 2019-03-23 11:58 pm (UTC)Retreat
Date: 2019-03-23 07:25 pm (UTC)https://degringolade.dreamwidth.org/41087.html
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Date: 2019-03-24 12:01 am (UTC)I've been doing a lot of brooding of late over what science has become and what might be salvaged from it; a recent article in Nature challenging the entire concept of statistical significance (that hobgoblin of little scientific minds) is just one of several things feeding into that. There are other ways to frame the process of learning about nature.
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Date: 2019-03-24 01:00 pm (UTC)I'm not as quick as the rest of you. Can you please elaborate on what you've said here, and what's meant exactly by revelation? What's being revealed, and for what purpose?
"it's something that the world could really, seriously use right now. Educated minds illuminated by revelation could accomplish much."
Thank you!
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Date: 2019-03-25 03:06 am (UTC)"What's being revealed, and for what purpose?" That depends on the individual case.
Ancient Egypt?
Date: 2019-03-24 04:46 pm (UTC)Ann from the capital of the Lakeland Republic
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Date: 2019-03-25 03:10 am (UTC)Gifts
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Date: 2019-03-24 08:48 pm (UTC)Re: The method of the revelation.
Date: 2019-03-25 03:14 am (UTC)(no subject)
Date: 2019-03-25 01:44 pm (UTC)- The concept cluster that connects self-reference, recursion, fractal geometry, scaling, and natural processes (e.g. flows, morphogenesis, evolution). How and why does a tree resemble a lightning bolt?
- Metaphors, analogies, and models, as a general study separate from (but with appropriate reference to) e.g. literature, science, or esoterica. Including some overlap with useful areas of linguistics, symbology, and semiotics, without going down the latter's rabbit holes.
- Critical thinking. What need for revelation if you're satisfied with whatever explanatory narratives are already at hand, regardless of their shortcomings?
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Date: 2019-03-25 02:40 pm (UTC)Certainly, there are many different kinds of revelations – from the highly practical to the most transcendental – so, clearly, much of what is ‘revealed’ depends largely on the mind-set/obsession of the individual and, I surmise, the culture in which the individual lives (the ‘group mind’ so to speak).
Every major decision in my life was made through either revelation or intuition and I am so happy that I have done so. The key question that you seem to be exploring, JMG, is how can one prepare oneself for revelation? Like the Muses of the arts, it is not something that we are in control of, but we can prepare for through study, effort, and passion, but that seems to be only part of it. The other part, through my experience and observation in an Indian context (more below) is to empty oneself of ego and make oneself entirely receptive to the ‘source of revelation’ (however one may conceive or term it). It is like making oneself the negative electromagnetic pole, which once intense enough induces the positive pole of electric current to flow from the ‘source’.
Having been immersed in Hinduism for decades, my main reference points for revelation, inspiration or the receipt of extraordinary ‘gifts’ is from India. Besides the relatively well-known transfer of self-realization from the ‘guru’ to the ‘chela’ (Ramakrishna and Vivekananda come to mind, as well as the transfer of ‘baraka’ common among Sufis), there are numerous well-recorded accounts of more mundane forms of revelation within modern times in the subcontinent. One of the most extraordinary ones that I know of is the case of Swami Gnanananda Giri (died 1974) and Swami Haridhos Giri (died 1994). The latter was very interested in devotional music as a youth, he but was not considered to be extraordinary in any capacity and lacked classical training. But through the instant ‘transmission’ of grace from his guru (Gnanananda), Haridhos became not only an extraordinary singer, but an unrivalled expert in both the North Indian and South Indian classical schools of music – so much so that classical musicians around the country would flock to him for musical advice.
The systematic fostering of revelation in Western society is, to me, an extremely worthwhile avenue of exploration. I am not a scholar; so, unfortunately, I have no great resources to share with you, but you have my wholehearted support and interest. In the meanwhile, I am opening myself up to revelation in the field of geomancy (still work in progress!).
Sorry for the terribly verbose reply.
Ron M
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Date: 2019-03-25 02:49 pm (UTC)Proofs without Words
Date: 2019-03-26 04:08 am (UTC)He was also a fan of the book Proofs without Words and all books related to visual mathematics and sacred geometry.
He loved Paul Erdos as the ultimate poser of questions in Mathematics. He would find guys who had been stuck for years on a problem, give them an easier related problem or rephrase the definition, and they would come up with new insights that ultimately lead to the solution.
My friend loved to say that when we teach, the student recapitulates the experience of creation. It is a sort of time travel in fast-motion. A shortcut to sharing the experience of discovery.
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Date: 2019-03-27 05:07 pm (UTC)http://world-news-research.com/nat_occult.html
Relevant? (Likely not new to you, but to make sure.)
- S. T. Silva.