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Re: The Apocalyptic Impulse

Date: 2025-07-14 11:43 am (UTC)
From: [personal profile] anonymoose_canadian
I'd also add, having seen this dynamic play out, sometimes people become convinced that some horrific outcome is inevitable, and try to bring it about in a way that will be "less bad". If, to use your example, blanket surveillance is inevitable, would you rather it be done by someone who is bound by laws, or someone who is not?

If it really is inevitable, then it really does make sense to try to be the first so you can guide things in a less destructive direction.

Re: The Apocalyptic Impulse

Date: 2025-07-14 08:17 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] scotlyn
A Wendell Berry quote might be apt here:
"The discipline of ends is no discipline at all. The end is preserved in the means; a desirable end may perish forever in the wrong means. Hope lives in the means, not the end."
From "Discipline and Hope" in A Continous Harmony

Re: The Apocalyptic Impulse

Date: 2025-07-14 09:20 pm (UTC)
From: [personal profile] robertmathiesen
I actually met Edward Teller once, in my 'teens. That very brief encounter left me thoroughly shaken.

I was schoolmates and friends with his son, Paul (who was one year/grade younger than I), and I went to his house once to visit him. Paul was out, but his father answered the door and told me Paul wasn't at home just then. That was the one and only time I even met the man. But those few seconds at the door have stayed with me ever since.

What struck me then was the man's intensity, for lack of a better word. He was the most intense person I had ever encountered up to then, and maybe ever since. He struck me as utterly consumed with boundless fury against the whole living world, a ferocity barely held in check by his iron self-control and very high intelligence. I came away from those few seconds with a new and somewhat frightening appreciation of the potential of humankind.

Something of the same sort seems to have been perceived by others in him. The University of California's memorial for him contains this striking characterization: "he was a force of nature as much as a human being." [senate.universityofcalifornia.edu/_files/inmemoriam/html/EdwardTeller.htm]


So ... "as bad as it can get" seems right on target to me.


Re: The Apocalyptic Impulse

Date: 2025-07-15 01:50 am (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
I gotta ask out of sheer curiosity--what was his son like in terms of intensity/playfulness/creativity/intelligence/etc?

Re: The Apocalyptic Impulse

Date: 2025-07-15 02:40 pm (UTC)
From: [personal profile] robertmathiesen
i don't know whether JMG will put this through so late, but I just now saw your question. Paul was a humble and kind person. I remember him as wearing sandals or flip-flops most of the time IIRC, he was an advocate for world peace. his father mentioned him only very, very briefly in his autobiography: "my gentle son Paul." Paul's sister, Wendy, was mentioned more often in their father's book. Paul became a professor of philosophy. I haven't been in touch with him for more than half a century now.

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