Open (More or Less) Post on Covid 199

[ecosophia]

We are now in the fourth year of these open posts. When I first posted a tentative hypothesis on the course of the Covid phenomenon, I had no idea that discussion on the subject would still be necessary more than three years later, much less that it would turn into so lively, complex, and troubling a conversation. Still, here we are. Crude death rates and other measures of collapsing public health are anomalously high in many countries, but nobody in authority wants to talk about the inadequately tested experimental Covid injections that are the most likely cause; public health authorities government shills for the pharmaceutical industry are still trying to push through laws that will allow them to force vaccinations on anyone they want; public trust in science is collapsing; and the story continues to unfold.

So it's time for another open post. The rules are the same as before:

1. If you plan on parroting the party line of the medical industry and its paid shills, please go away. This is a place for people to talk openly, honestly, and freely about their concerns that the party line in question is dangerously flawed and that actions being pushed by the medical industry and its government enablers are causing injury and death on a massive scale. It is not a place for you to dismiss those concerns. Anyone who wants to hear the official story and the arguments in favor of it can find those on hundreds of thousands of websites.

2. If you plan on insisting that the current situation is the result of a deliberate plot by some villainous group of people or other, please go away. There are tens of thousands of websites currently rehashing various conspiracy theories about the Covid-19 outbreak and the vaccines. This is not one of them. What we're exploring is the likelihood that what's going on is the product of the same arrogance, incompetence, and corruption that the medical industry and its wholly owned politicians have displayed so abundantly in recent decades. That possibility deserves a space of its own for discussion, and that's what we're doing here. 
 
3. If you plan on using rent-a-troll derailing or disruption tactics, please go away. I'm quite familiar with the standard tactics used by troll farms to disrupt online forums, and am ready, willing, and able -- and in fact quite eager -- to ban people permanently for engaging in them here. Oh, and I also lurk on other Covid-19 vaccine skeptic blogs, so I'm likely to notice when the same posts are showing up on more than one venue. 

4. If you plan on making off topic comments, please go away. This is an open post for discussion of the Covid epidemic, the vaccines, drugs, policies, and other measures that supposedly treat it, and other topics directly relevant to those things. It is not a place for general discussion of unrelated topics. Nor is it a place to ask for medical advice; giving such advice, unless you're a licensed health care provider, legally counts as practicing medicine without a license and is a crime in the US. Don't even go there.

5. If you don't believe in treating people with common courtesy, please go away. I have, and enforce, a strict courtesy policy on my blogs and online forums, and this is no exception. The sort of schoolyard bullying that takes place on so many other internet forums will get you deleted and banned here. Also, please don't drag in current quarrels about sex, race, religions, etc. No, I don't care if you disagree with that: my journal, my rules. 

6. Please don't just post bare links without explanation. A sentence or two telling readers what's on the other side of the link is a reasonable courtesy, and if you don't include it, your attempted post will be deleted.

Please also note that nothing posted here should be construed as medical advice, which neither I nor the commentariat (excepting those who are licensed medical providers) are qualified to give. Please take your medical questions to the licensed professional provider of your choice.

With that said, the floor is open for discussion. 

Comments

[(Anonymous)]

The Australian government recently released a report comparing outcomes between covid cases for the vaccinated vs the unvaccinated, and (surprise, surprise) finds the vaccinated had better outcomes:

https://news.rebekahbarnett.com.au/p/useless-covid-data-analysis-riddled

The substack article does a good job exposing the statistical manipulation that went into the report.

But, there is a point being missed here.

There were some major doomsday predictions that were used to justify the lockdowns and mass vaccinations: that covid had a 3% fatality rate, that people had a very high chance of becoming seriously ill, that they had a good chance of ending up on a ventilator, that the hospitals would be swamped with thousands of patients.

There is actually no need to do a deep dive into the stats and compare the vaxxed to the unvaxxed. The only question that needs to be asked is if these apocalyptic doomsday predictions came true for the unvaxxed. And of course there is zero evidence that this happened. This is the point that really needs to be hammered.

With reports like this, the government is now arguing that the lockdowns and forced vaccines were legitimate (based on percentage differences between the vaxxed and unvaxxed), when these extremist measures were initially justified by a doomsday narrative about a virus that would make a large part of the population seriously ill.

It could be proven that the vaxxed had better outcomes (statistically) than the unvaxxed, but this would still not justify the covid tyranny.

[(Anonymous)]

They are crafting the statistics to support their desired outcome. Of course they would ignore the obvious factors, as they would not provide the statistical outcome they desire.

Caldathras

[(Anonymous)]

The government is perfectly happy for people to narrowly focus on their dodgy statistics and spend lots of time trying to debunk them, because by making the conversation about the statistics the big picture can be obfuscated.

The fact is that even the government's own manipulated statistics (that inflated the effect of covid on the unvaccinated) don't even remotely show that lockdowns and mass vaccinations were needed to stop the virus.