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workbook #2Midnight is upon us and so it's time to launch a new Magic Monday. Ask me anything about occultism, and with certain exceptions noted below, any question received by midnight Monday Eastern time will get an answer. Please note:  Any question or comment received after that point will not get an answer, and in fact will just be deleted.  If you're in a hurry, or suspect you may be the 341,928th person to ask a question, please check out the very rough version 1.3 of The Magic Monday FAQ here

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Date: 2025-05-05 03:24 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] temporaryreality
JMG and anyone else who might have ideas, I’d be interested to know of any written materials (especially pre-1960s) on kinesiology (muscle testing). More recent written materials are fine too, but I’d prefer older sources if they exist.

Thanks!

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Date: 2025-05-05 04:21 pm (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
I couldn't find anything older than the 1970s in the library catalog, but here is what I found:

-Anatomic kinesiology by Gene A. Logan, Wayne C. McKinney. 1977. Published in 1970 under title: Kinesiology.

-Applied kinesiology :muscle response in diagnosis, therapy, and preventive medicine by Tom Carole Valentine, with Douglas P. Hetrick. 1987

-Applied kinesiology :the scientific study of human performance by Clayne R. Jensen, Gordon W. Schultz.

-Biomechanics and motor control of human movement by David A. Winter, 1979

-Cure your own allergies in minutes by Jimmy Scott with Kathleen Goss ; illustrations by Claudia Wagar 1988. This one was published by Health Kinesiology Publications out of San Francisco, possibly worth finding their other titles.

-Kinesiology and applied anatomy by Philip J. Rasch ; with contributions by Mark D. Grabiner, Robert J. Gregor, John Garhammer. 1989

- Kinesiology : scientific basis of human motion by Kathryn Luttgens, Katharine F. Wells. 1976 / 1982

-Manual of structural kinesiology by Clem W. Thompson. 1981

-Structural kinesiology by Jerry N. Barham and Edna P. Wooten, 1973.

There were a few other titles, but these seemed to be the most relevant.

Good luck on your quest!

Justin Patrick Moore

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Date: 2025-05-05 06:47 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] temporaryreality
Thanks JMG and JPM,

I saw some of these on archive.org, but I think the term "kinesiology" is frequently being applied relative to physical therapy and movement science (exercise, health, etc.) rather than muscle testing as a way to access subconscious (or other beings') answers...

Cristophe, are you around? I know this is something you do, and wonder if you have any textual resources to suggest...

old style Kinesiology

Date: 2025-05-06 01:04 am (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
Perhaps the dowsing literature would have something relevant.

LeGrand

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Date: 2025-05-05 08:55 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] jprussell
I wish I had some texts to recommend, as I've been making use of the "finger-testing" method described in the MOE papers for a year or two now and would be interested to read in more depth, so I'll be keeping an eye on other responses.

For what it's worth, here's a few seemingly relevant points from my own experience:
- For me at least, it seems to be not good at all at hard-and-fast predictions (of the kind "will this happen?")
- On the other hand, it seems extremely useful for low-stakes "should I do this or not?" type questions - that might just be the benefit of having any relatively quick and painless way to make decisions, but I've had at least a few instances where the advice seemed non-obvious (such as "don't do this" when my conscious mind thought I should, then it worked out well to not do it)
- It seems most useful and accurate for questions related to my material and etheric bodies - "should I eat this? should I do this exercise?" - that kind of thing
- Though it's harder to say whether this is helpful or not, I use it quite a bit for interrogating other sources of intuitive knowledge, like dreams and other forms of divination. For example "does this figure from my dream stand for my true self?" or "does this Rune/Ogham Few lean more towards possible interpretation A or B?"

So, to sum up, as you might guess from the method, it seems to work best for more personal/local things, and less well the further out in time or space I go, or the more complex the situation being assessed is, especially if it involves decisions from others. Again, for me at least. Wouldn't be surprised at all if this varies from person to person.

In any event, good luck exploring!
Jeff

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Date: 2025-05-06 01:17 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] temporaryreality
Thanks Jeff - very interesting feedback! Recently Christophe posted something about his experience but I’ve not relocated that comment… I did find that he answered my question a few years ago, here: https://ecosophia.dreamwidth.org/83179.html?thread=7852523#cmt7852523

And hearthculture’s experience is interesting: https://ecosophia.dreamwidth.org/292934.html?thread=50578246#cmt50578246

And of course there’s the MOE info, here: https://ecosophia.dreamwidth.org/215509.html
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