Open (More or Less) Post on Covid 188

[ecosophia]

We are now in the fourth year of these open posts. When I first posted a tentative hypothesis on the course of the Covid phenomenon, I had no idea that discussion on the subject would still be necessary more than three years later, much less that it would turn into so lively, complex, and troubling a conversation. Still, here we are. Crude death rates and other measures of collapsing public health are anomalously high in many countries, but nobody in authority wants to talk about the inadequately tested experimental Covid injections that are the most likely cause; public health authorities government shills for the pharmaceutical industry are still trying to push through laws that will allow them to force vaccinations on anyone they want; public trust in science is collapsing; and the story continues to unfold.

So it's time for another open post. The rules are the same as before:

1. If you plan on parroting the party line of the medical industry and its paid shills, please go away. This is a place for people to talk openly, honestly, and freely about their concerns that the party line in question is dangerously flawed and that actions being pushed by the medical industry and its government enablers are causing injury and death on a massive scale. It is not a place for you to dismiss those concerns. Anyone who wants to hear the official story and the arguments in favor of it can find those on hundreds of thousands of websites.

2. If you plan on insisting that the current situation is the result of a deliberate plot by some villainous group of people or other, please go away. There are tens of thousands of websites currently rehashing various conspiracy theories about the Covid-19 outbreak and the vaccines. This is not one of them. What we're exploring is the likelihood that what's going on is the product of the same arrogance, incompetence, and corruption that the medical industry and its wholly owned politicians have displayed so abundantly in recent decades. That possibility deserves a space of its own for discussion, and that's what we're doing here. 
 
3. If you plan on using rent-a-troll derailing or disruption tactics, please go away. I'm quite familiar with the standard tactics used by troll farms to disrupt online forums, and am ready, willing, and able -- and in fact quite eager -- to ban people permanently for engaging in them here. Oh, and I also lurk on other Covid-19 vaccine skeptic blogs, so I'm likely to notice when the same posts are showing up on more than one venue. 

4. If you plan on making off topic comments, please go away. This is an open post for discussion of the Covid epidemic, the vaccines, drugs, policies, and other measures that supposedly treat it, and other topics directly relevant to those things. It is not a place for general discussion of unrelated topics. Nor is it a place to ask for medical advice; giving such advice, unless you're a licensed health care provider, legally counts as practicing medicine without a license and is a crime in the US. Don't even go there.

5. If you don't believe in treating people with common courtesy, please go away. I have, and enforce, a strict courtesy policy on my blogs and online forums, and this is no exception. The sort of schoolyard bullying that takes place on so many other internet forums will get you deleted and banned here. Also, please don't drag in current quarrels about sex, race, religions, etc. No, I don't care if you disagree with that: my journal, my rules. 

6. Please don't just post bare links without explanation. A sentence or two telling readers what's on the other side of the link is a reasonable courtesy, and if you don't include it, your attempted post will be deleted.

Please also note that nothing posted here should be construed as medical advice, which neither I nor the commentariat (excepting those who are licensed medical providers) are qualified to give. Please take your medical questions to the licensed professional provider of your choice.

With that said, the floor is open for discussion.

Comments

Re: Not to be “that guy” but…

[(Anonymous)]

The lives and livelihoods of many executives and government officials are riding on this argument. Hopefully it makes it to court and doesn't get solved in the streets.

[the_arcane_archivist]

I still consider this as a reference for the darkness moment, judging by the hype around it in somewhat the magical resistance anti-trump camp, the project pledge 20 times more than it required:

https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/loscarabeo/goetia-tarot-in-darkness


I repent of falling for the hype and even I think sharing it on Facebook, now and after a while then I got several signs that made me turn around and see a very dark cloud around the whole thing, there was heavy hype around it at the time.

A few day later under that feeling I remember seeing the news https://www.nytimes.com/2019/08/05/health/germs-fort-detrick-biohazard.html

At the time I think Google news put forward or maybe Zerohedge, I had the feeling that this is no good and at the same time these bad news hit the Romanian social media:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kidnapping_of_Alexandra_Măceșanu_and_Luiza_Melencu#:~:text=The%20kidnapping%20of%20Alexandra%20Măceșanu,Alexandra%20Măceșanu%20was%20held%20captive.

I felt a the time that all these are spiritually related, and I still do!

[(Anonymous)]

It's Friday afternoon, where's the Frugal Fridays?

[the_arcane_archivist]

https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/loscarabeo/goetia-tarot-in-darkness

This video presents the deck:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q6dIwF8NDfE&t=534

It freezes your blood in the veins if you see the girl how she sighs like several dozens of times, how she fusses, she slips the cards, she is even choking at some points several times, how the trucks outside make a demonic infrasound, now and then at the ominous moments, and the general look of the cards, at some point the girl said that it might have been inspired by the invocation of demons. She mentions at some point that the deck can be pushy or give headaches.

I don't know much about Goetia, here JMG might know better, but I looked a the Tarot and is missing, I think it misses the last 6 major arcana, because there can be no correspondence between the 72 demons of Goetia and 78 cards of Tarot, because the systems are incompatible, so although the last 6 arcana are present I think they are heavily misrepresented, as I think the others might be too.

[ecosophia]

Running late. I've got it up now.

Re: measles is protective when it comes to cancer?

[kallianeira]

I had not heard it, but just did a Yandex search on "measles cancer" and several relevant results appeared. Probably you won't get anything useful if you try a mainstream browser :/

Re: Ivermectin and Fenbendazole go mainstream

[kallianeira]

Well well!
And it is marketed as though parasites are really terrifying? Or as though people know enough to read between the lines and use it for detox?

I had to know! So I looked at the site... it really seems to be about parasites, which I think is valid.
At $74.25 per bottle of 60, the protocol is supposed to take 25 days to complete, but they offer a 5-bottle package @$62. This may be so you can give it to everyone in your family... doses seem consistent with the treatment of parasites... or you could try it for spike detox, but the dose is rather low for that.

Nevertheless, most interesting to see.

iridescent scintillating elver

[(Anonymous)]

People do decline as they get older and there may or may not be help for that. (People who tell you that you are beyond hope UNLESS you sign up for a specific set of treatments are probably invested in those either emotionally or financially.) And people have been driving like madmen since the beginning of the pandemic, long before vaxxes (or before most of us were exposed to natural spike).

But I was reacting negatively to your phrase "liberal meltdowns." If these people described your side of the argument as "conservative meltdowns" and attributed them to covid-spike-induced dementia, I doubt you'd find that reasonable. Attributing someone's fear or anger over some political event to their being "mindless rage zombies" with "damaged brains" effectively says: you only feel these emotions or hold these policy preferences because of your subhuman mental function, there can be no legitimate argument for your views. (Saying "oh, and you made yourself so defective" just adds to it.) What would you want them to say about you? Perhaps: "even if some of your ideals seem really wrong-headed to me, your underlying emotions stem from understandable and mostly legitimate human motives"?

Can't we say that about each other? I am what counts as a liberal these days (I'm aware that's unpopular here and don't try to promote a democratic perspective) but one of my best friends is a Trump voter. We agree to disagree and neither of us looks down our nose at the other and says "zombie." BTW I don't think I know if she was ever vaxxed. If she's ever said, I have forgotten. Because in my opinion, it is one of those things, like who you voted for, that does not define who you ARE.

[(Anonymous)]

I think the question is "do people have minuscule amounts of spike hanging around for three months after they fully recover from infection with one of the OTHER common cold coronaviruses? How about hemagglutinin for months after they've had flu infection? How about whatever might be stuck on the outside of a rhinovirus?" Clearly, in the Yale study people who suffer from long vax have both vax and natural-infection spike persisting in quantity for much longer than people who don't. But we've never gone on this kind of microscopically detailed molecule-hunt before.

The same is true of the studies purporting to prove that covid caused every disease down to toenail fungus. You could produce the same studies for adenovirus common colds by the same kind of database-dredging ... but nobody ever would have.

Re: Satanic jabs?

[(Anonymous)]

I don't believe we can "lose our soul" because what can it be that lasts after death, except the soul? - not the body, the brain architecture or anything stored in it, or the etheric body. If there is any truth whatsoever to the belief in afterlife or reincarnation, at least that can be meaningfully described as "YOU living another life," then YOU can only be a soul. You can't lose or give away your most fundamental self, like losing your car. If it were otherwise, if the soul was a possession not inherently part of me, that gets transferred to another person in its next life, why do I care about that?

If you screw up badly enough (deliberately harming others) your soul might spend a lot of time in a bad situation, but then that would be YOUR fate.

Re: Not to be “that guy” but…

[(Anonymous)]

Well, here's how I see it as another person who isn't comfortable victim-blaming. First, to blame the vax for an increase in a disease that isn't closely associated in time, there has to actually BE an increase in that disease, or a leveling off of a previously consistent decrease. Of course, we may not always know that because we can find graphs reporting breast cancer deaths, say, but not cases of mild eczema.

Second, suppose that the vaxxes were such a powerful promoter of eczema that they increased overall incidence by 50%. That would still mean that only one of three cases was caused by the vax. To say "your fault, had it coming" whenever you heard of a new sufferer would wrongly tar two out of three. For over 50% of cases to be caused by the vax, it would have to MORE than double the risk per user.

We know that's true for a bunch of short-term or immediately appearing symptoms (myocarditis, POTS, tinnitus, Bell's palsy, Guillain Barre). I will be surprised if the cancer-causing effect of a few shots is enough to cause that much of an increase in any cancers. Possibly lymphoma as it is a strong promoter of incipient lymphoma -- but that would happen in weeks or months, not decades. (It may have happened to the husband of a friend of mine. Or it may not. People got lymphoma and died before the vaxxes. It would be cruel to tell her he did something to bring it on himself, when I have no evidence or even a good statistical argument. So I didn't.)

Re: Ivermectin and Fenbendazole go mainstream

[charlieobert]

I think we've got a trend here - a SECOND ad -

https://mahoney-supplements.com/products/parasite-cleanse

ParaGon - UNITING THE POWER OF IVERMECTIN & FENBENDAZOLE

This one has three times the strength of Ivermectin - and is a bit more expensive.

1. Eliminates parasites

2. Supports digestive health

3. Boosts immune defense

4. Aids in detox

5. Promotes vitality

So this one is casting a wider net than just parasites, and specifically mentions detox.

I suspect we are in read-between-the-lines territory here.

Re: Not to be “that guy” but…

[stubborn_ass]

Why would you be looking for that kind of fake assurance, from a coof-related alt-forum of all places?

We keep getting more and more formal data, reports, studies - years after we already figured out the toxicity of the shots is pretty much across the board from our own anec-data experiences. Many solutions have also been presented here. Again, it's pretty much up to you whether you want to detox or not. You can also choose not to adress the elephant in the room when someone gets sick (yet again), that is all up to you.

If you had actually read the previous weeks forums, you would have known that the shedding is still affecting the unvexed despite all the precautions we are taking. So what is that shedding doing to the vexed folks? They have internal damage and fresh incoming damage all the time.... double whammy.

Again, it is your own call how you respond to all the information that has been presented.

Re: Not to be “that guy” but…

[the_arcane_archivist]

At what point will people be willing to consider that maybe not every illness or medical condition that occurred after the vaccine was caused by the vaccine? Where do you draw the line?

Did you made the same remark about every illness and death attributed to BOVID19?

Re: Ivermectin and Fenbendazole go mainstream

[kallianeira]

It has the same strength ingredients per capsule as ParaPurge - it does that trick of stating the total in a daily dose of 3 capsules. And it costs twice as much.

I like point 5. Rather evocative of Nietzsche. To paraphrase the classic translation, "That which does not kill you promotes vitality". So many things could qualify!

Gruesome parasite photos. Fear continues to be good for marketing.

iridescent scintillating elver

Dave Weldon knows "where the bodies are buried"

[(Anonymous)]

Not looking good for the CDC. This by Rappaport now all over substack, including on Steve Kirsch. It's well worth reading in its entirety.

COPY-PASTE OF EXCERPT:

Dave Weldon dumped as CDC nominee; is anybody talking about the real secret here?
I am; the scandal they want you to forget
Jon Rappoport
Mar 14, 2025

This is so BIG.

And here’s the punch line—there is no way the Senate wanted Dave Weldon to take the slot as CDC director. Why? Because Dave knows stuff. Bad stuff. HEAVY stuff about the CDC.

Dave knows some CDC crimes that’ll make the American people jump off their couches with their hair on fire as they’re watching the TV news.

And if Dave won confirmation and went over to the CDC as chief honcho, one day a lying vaccine researcher could walk into his office and start spouting a mountain of crap about ‘safe and effective,’ and Dave could drop his nice-guy front and hit the ceiling and decide to blow the whole Agency COMPLETELY out of the water.

Which he definitely could.

As you’ll see as you read this story of corruption and betrayal and cover-up—a story Dave knows chapter and verse.

Keep that in mind as I unwind the tale. Dave knows the whole sordid thing. And in the past, he’s proved he has major balls.

The news media are saying Weldon “didn’t have the votes” for confirmation. He’s too “anti-vaxx.”

There’s something much more specific, though.

Children’s Health Defense writes: “On March 12, STAT News reported, under the headline, ‘How CDC nominee Dave Weldon’s support for anti-vaccine theories runs long and deep’ that [then-Congressman] Weldon in 2004 asked the U.S. House Appropriations Committee chair to fund an autism research center that would be led by Dr. Andrew Wakefield.”

“Wakefield was the first author of the 1998 study, published and later retracted in The Lancet, that linked the MMR vaccine to autism in certain children.”

Any bells ringing yet?

Weldon wanted Wakefield to head up an official autism research center.

Boom.

At that point, as far as mainstream medicine was concerned, Wakefield was Public Enemy Number One, and the ‘experts’ had raked him over the coals as a complete fraud, for suggesting the MMR vaccine was a cause of autism.

But Weldon had the sheer balls to want Wakefield to head up the autism center.

In 2025, that brazen act from the past, by Weldon, would be more than enough to keep him from heading up the CDC.

But there’s a lot more.

...CONTIUE READING
https://jonrappoport.substack.com/p/dave-weldon-dumped-as-cdc-nominee

[(Anonymous)]

There are liberals melting down everywhere, and it was mostly liberals who embraced covid tyranny. Now their bodies are breaking down and their friends are dropping like flies, but they can't admit what's going on because they turned their ideology into their identity. Once that happens it feels like suicide to question their own ideology, and when anyone disagrees with them they interpret it as murderous intent. It doesn't matter that their skin is peeling off, they can barely walk up a flight of stairs, and five people they know died of cancer last year. Admitting they were wrong is still more painful.

[the_arcane_archivist]

Since a lot of waxines were supposedly made in 2019, and BOVID is actually 2019
https://slaynews.com/news/moderna-ceo-admits-covid-vaccines-developed-2019-knew-pandemic-coming/

To many this slipped but just to put it in context, Trump met with the Big-Pharma to discuss the waxxines back in 2020 before the lockdowns, on 2nd of March 2020,

https://www.c-span.org/program/white-house-event/president-trump-meeting-with-pharmaceutical-executives-on-coronavirus/542511

March 2, 2020
Donald J. Trump
Donald J. Trump
We work to - we're working very hard to expedite the longer process of developing a vaccine. We're also moving with maximum speed to develop therapies so that we can help people recover as quickly as possible. We have a lot of recovery going on. We want to see if we can advance that. It's likely that therapies will be available before a vaccine is actually ready, and we'll seek to bring all effective treatments to market as soon as possible.

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Donald J. Trump
Some very good work has been done on the vaccine, however, and they have some good progress. And you'll be able to ask a couple of questions of the folks here.

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Emma Walmsley from GlaxoSmithKline
As a science-led company with a very large, including manufacturing, presence here, we know we have a responsibility and a vital role to play. And our priority is to make sure we make available, as part of this one team, our pandemic adjuvant technology available to any company with a highly promising vaccine, because this new technology could make these other vaccines either bring more efficacy or, indeed, allow them to be antigen sparing, which means we could protect more people, which is obviously incredibly important as we're trying to work at pace and at scale.

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Anthony S. Fauci M.D.
And, as you know, we're involved, and that's the reason why I'm pleased to be with, in this room, with you all, because we're involved in the fundamental, basic, and clinical research to develop countermeasures in the form of therapeutics and vaccines. And I'm sure I'll be working with many of you around the room, and I look forward to it.

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Dan Menichella, CEO of CureVac
We're a clinical stage biotech company. We use mRNA technology, optimize the mRNA molecules. Once injected into the body, they instruct the cells on how to make proteins. For instance, we can use the mRNA technology to trigger an immune response against viruses, or we can get the body to increase its production of T-cells for cancer vaccines.

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Dan Menichella, CEO of CureVac
Our technology platform is fast and it's agile. We were the first mRNA company to have GMP manufacturing. We started in 2006. Currently, we have three large-scale GMP facilities, and we are up and running now. Today we have a fourth facility built, and we're looking for additional capex to put the machinery in there. Once we have that machinery in the fourth building, we can make hundreds of millions of doses of the coronavirus vaccine. So we're very excited about that and we want to help there.

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John Shiver, Sanofi
Sanofi has been making vaccines for over 100 years, and we're - for this project, we're working with proprietary recombinant protein technology that makes the first flu vaccine that's not in eggs that's based on this technology.

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John Shiver, Sanofi
Because we are a major flu vaccine producer, with this technology, we have the ability to produce large amounts of vaccine. We predict, dependent upon the final formulation, 100 million to 600 million doses per year made in New York and Pennsylvania, which is where we make most of our - about 90 percent of our flu product. And we can do this without jeopardizing our flu vaccine production, importantly, because we know that's very important to maintain that.

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Stéphane Bancel, CEO of Moderna
So (inaudible) very proud to be working with the U.S. government and to have already sent, in only 42 days from the sequence of the virus, our vaccine to Dr. Fauci's team at the NIH. We're now waiting for the vaccine to be a green light from the FDA so that the team can start dosing as soon as possible.

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Stéphane Bancel, CEO of Moderna
What it's very interesting about our technology is that we use mRNA. So, basically, it's an information molecule that allows us to go very quickly from (inaudible) formation of a virus to having a vaccine. So, we already have nine vaccines in the clinic in the U.S., in Germany, and in Australia. We have five of those for respiratory diseases.

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Joseph Kim, CEO of Inovio Pharmaceuticals
Inovio is the leader in coronavirus vaccine development in the world. We have a phase two product for related MERS coronavirus vaccine in phase two stage. When the new outbreak occurred, we applied our very innovative 21st century platform called DNA medicines platform to COVID-19. By getting just the DNA sequence of the virus, we were able to fully construct our vaccine within three hours.

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Paul Stoffels, Johnson & Johnson
At the moment, working with a new vaccine platform, which has been deployed - or is being deployed in HIV, in the times of Zika, as well as now in Ebola. We are working with Tony on a phase two and a phase three study with the HIV, with the same platform.

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Paul Stoffels, Johnson & Johnson
And, in parallel, the company has decided to start upscaling now. Time to result will depend on GMP manufacturing safety, (inaudible) safety - have to work closely together with the FDA on that. And before the year ends, hopefully in November, we have the first clinical data starting. And early next year, the results of that. And at the same, we are looking for significant quantity of vaccines being already produced in that timeframe.

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Anne Schuchat M.D., CDC
We have an RSV vaccine, where we vaccinated 4,600 pregnant women to protect infants from RSV disease and the youngest kids. We have a flu vaccine. We all know we need a better flu vaccine and we have one in phase three trials.

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Anne Schuchat M.D., CDC
We've made two coronavirus vaccines. We made one for SARS. We made one for MERS. We tested MERS and - all the way through animal challenge trials and it showed 100 percent infection protection.

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Anne Schuchat M.D., CDC
And we've made a pandemic flu vaccine for H7 and 9 and others. And we've twice now taken from the gene sequence to the first in human studies done in the 90 days and published it in the New England Journal. And we're once again doing the same thing since the gene sequence was identified - I think it published on January 10th. We've taken the same recombinant nanoparticle platform and have been in animal studies for a couple of weeks. We expect data this week on - from one of them.

That's why the meeting with the 22nd of January 2025 about the Cancer AI drivern mRNA therapy is ominous to me:

https://www.wptv.com/news/technology/stargate-ai-project-could-help-create-cancer-mrna-vaccine-oracle-ceo-larry-ellison-says

that's why the meeting with the

[(Anonymous)]

Did the Republic die after ...?

I'll go ahead and answer your rhetorical question: Yes. A little bit each time.

[the_arcane_archivist]

We were the first mRNA company to have GMP manufacturing. We started in 2006. Currently, we have three large-scale GMP facilities, and we are up and running now.

This is stuff is happening way back wat's special about 2006 is that it is after the SARS-cov epidemic that happened between 2002-2004.

[boccaccio]

You're right to draw attention to the amount of spike found. That's another factor to take into consideration. But it can lead to different conclusions. Figure 5G of the Yale study (pg 23) shows that in only 15 out of 43 vaxx injured the presence of spike was established. This amounts to 35%. In other words, 12.9% of the healthy had more spike than at least 65% of the vax injured. Before concluding that it is a nothingburger, I would want to see much more research done.

The same is true of the studies purporting to prove that covid caused every disease down to toenail fungus.
I haven't seen such studies. What I see is that there is an overwhelming amount of evidence (scienctific studies, data, anecdote) that indicates that the vaxx is much more harmful than advertised.

Compare it to asbestos. Not every cancer is caused by asbestos but still we know that it is carcinogenic. To establish that fact, among other things we had to do serious database-dredging.

Re: Not to be “that guy” but…

[boccaccio]

It's a pendulum. First society at large has to consider that many of those doctor baffling ailments are indeed the result of the vaxx. Only when we're in a situation where all ailments are attributed to the vaxx can the pendulum swing back. Hopefully we will have not to many incidents with rope and lampposts before that happens.

Most people are not (yet?) at the point where they can contemplate what science and data are pointing at, so you're rethorical questions are premature.

Before getting back to 'normal', first the truth has to be exposed. Without truth the situation will fester and lead to even greater harm down the road.

Re: Not to be “that guy” but…

[scotlyn]

Do you mean this:

At what point will people be willing to consider that, in people who were vaccinated, there is a possibility that said vaccination will have had NO EFFECT on any subsequent illness or medical condition that occurred after taking it/them?

OR this:

At what point will people be willing to consider that, in people who were vaccinated, there is a possibility that other factors other than said vaccination might also be considered causal to illnesses or medical conditions occurring after taking it/them?

OR something else?

[scotlyn]

To the anonymous who posted this comment in a "frozen" comment thread - about reading your letter of resignation to your Quaker community - https://ecosophia.dreamwidth.org/319519.html?thread=54504735#cmt54504735

I just want to say, respect for your courage and grace, and may your goings and doings be blessed.

Re: Satanic jabs?

[scotlyn]

"It was being dominated by a vice - like avarice, or sloth. A vice is the opposite of a virtue, which originally meant power - a vice robs you of your power."

Thank you Charlie, for this line. Which makes me thoughtful. I daily observe in the clinic that people are dominated, not necessarily by the the named vices (but, those too), but by states of fascination with their past or their future - ie. regret, second thinking, worry, fear, desire...

I find myself speculating that dwelling to enthusiastically in our past (which stays happened) or in our future (in which we do not exist), robs us of the power we have in the present, which is the only place where our body and life energy can be brought into useful alignment with our emotions, mind, spirit, and will.

Now I shall go and think upon virtue (as power) and vice (as that which robs you of power). Much appreciated!