Open (More or Less) Post on Covid 181

[ecosophia]

We are now in the fourth year of these open posts. When I first posted a tentative hypothesis on the course of the Covid phenomenon, I had no idea that discussion on the subject would still be necessary more than three years later, much less that it would turn into so lively, complex, and troubling a conversation. Still, here we are. Crude death rates and other measures of collapsing public health are anomalously high in many countries, but nobody in authority wants to talk about the inadequately tested experimental Covid injections that are the most likely cause; public health authorities government shills for the pharmaceutical industry are still trying to push through laws that will allow them to force vaccinations on anyone they want; public trust in science is collapsing; and the story continues to unfold.

So it's time for another open post. The rules are the same as before:

1. If you plan on parroting the party line of the medical industry and its paid shills, please go away. This is a place for people to talk openly, honestly, and freely about their concerns that the party line in question is dangerously flawed and that actions being pushed by the medical industry and its government enablers are causing injury and death on a massive scale. It is not a place for you to dismiss those concerns. Anyone who wants to hear the official story and the arguments in favor of it can find those on hundreds of thousands of websites.

2. If you plan on insisting that the current situation is the result of a deliberate plot by some villainous group of people or other, please go away. There are tens of thousands of websites currently rehashing various conspiracy theories about the Covid-19 outbreak and the vaccines. This is not one of them. What we're exploring is the likelihood that what's going on is the product of the same arrogance, incompetence, and corruption that the medical industry and its wholly owned politicians have displayed so abundantly in recent decades. That possibility deserves a space of its own for discussion, and that's what we're doing here. 
 
3. If you plan on using rent-a-troll derailing or disruption tactics, please go away. I'm quite familiar with the standard tactics used by troll farms to disrupt online forums, and am ready, willing, and able -- and in fact quite eager -- to ban people permanently for engaging in them here. Oh, and I also lurk on other Covid-19 vaccine skeptic blogs, so I'm likely to notice when the same posts are showing up on more than one venue. 

4. If you plan on making off topic comments, please go away. This is an open post for discussion of the Covid epidemic, the vaccines, drugs, policies, and other measures that supposedly treat it, and other topics directly relevant to those things. It is not a place for general discussion of unrelated topics. Nor is it a place to ask for medical advice; giving such advice, unless you're a licensed health care provider, legally counts as practicing medicine without a license and is a crime in the US. Don't even go there.

5. If you don't believe in treating people with common courtesy, please go away. I have, and enforce, a strict courtesy policy on my blogs and online forums, and this is no exception. The sort of schoolyard bullying that takes place on so many other internet forums will get you deleted and banned here. Also, please don't drag in current quarrels about sex, race, religions, etc. No, I don't care if you disagree with that: my journal, my rules. 

6. Please don't just post bare links without explanation. A sentence or two telling readers what's on the other side of the link is a reasonable courtesy, and if you don't include it, your attempted post will be deleted.

Please also note that nothing posted here should be construed as medical advice, which neither I nor the commentariat (excepting those who are licensed medical providers) are qualified to give. Please take your medical questions to the licensed professional provider of your choice.

With that said, the floor is open for discussion.

Comments

Re: parallel universes

[(Anonymous)]

I know it, I am living surrounded by the people who live in that other universe. They are all "very scared" about Donald Trump.

Well, these "very scared" people I know have all, and I mean each and every one of them, taken mulitple injections of experimental gene therapy. That's what I think they should be scared about. But, as per usual, they don't want to talk about the injections.

Me, I feel like I can breathe a little better here in late January 2025.

I think that even those who took many jabs may be fine, especially if they can avoid taking more jabs and if they take care of their health generally, and do some detoxing. But unfortunately I don't think that's what most of the people I know who took the jabs are going to do.

So it's the same old, same old, as it has been for me since 2020, watching the train chug off the cliff inch by inch in slow motion.

But there could be some kind of a phase change after RFK, Jr has his hearing-- and this in the circus of the JFK and RFK and MLK files having been thrown open.

[insert here GIF of raining popcorn]

Re: parallel universes

[charlieobert]

>> But, as per usual, they don't want to talk about the injections.

I think there is something very simple and powerful at play here, which seems to be a critical and very difficult part of any valid spiritual path:

the ability to say, I was wrong; I made a mistake; and I need to take responsibility for the consequences.

And sometimes there is a much harder part: the ability to say, I've been fooled.

That seems to be a rare and very hard-won ability. I know very few people who can do it, and I know how very hard it is for me.

Re: parallel universes

[claire_58]

"there is a much harder part: the ability to say, I've been fooled."

Oh man! Don't I know it! As a recovering lefty, feminist, and environmentalist I feel like I've been played, and spun, and played some more, over all kinds of things. Weaponizing compassion against the compassionate is definitely an effective strategy for propagandists.

It wasn't until I saw the viciousness of the TDS among all the "peaceful, loving people" that I began to see through so much of the nonsense.
It wasn't until I learned about "Chesterton's Fence" that I realized how foolish it was to overturn all our traditional social and cultural norms in a few short decades.
It wasn't until I recognized the covid psyc-ops that I saw how these techniques have been used repeatedly to shape my opinions and obscure all kinds of realities inconvenient to the industrialist profiteers and banksters.

I've always been a critic as well as a participant of the movements I identified above: a maternal feminist; a "conservationist" environmentalist rather than a "green consumer." Very recently I discovered that I was never really a socialist. There just wasn't any political language or place for a compassionate centrist.
I used to joke that I had a talent for being out of step with any group of I was in. I'm the kind of person who would walk into a room and say "Oh my God, look at that huge effing elephant." I could often see what was being ignored and avoided but I'm still reeling from the shock of all the "politically correct" ideas I accepted without thinking.
Since 2015 I've lost respect for almost all of my previous social network and floundered around trying to come to terms with my own foolishness. And, yeah, my self-esteem has taken a kicking. My ego is still cranky about it.

Re: parallel universes

[kallianeira]

You have put all ten fingers on it: the importance of compassion. And its want in so much social critique and behaviour.

Did you gain respect for anybody else after having lost it for your previous network?

Re: parallel universes

[claire_58]

Unfortunately the answer is "not really". I still have a few good friends. I met a couple of interesting women in the "resistance" but they both moved to get away from the government insanity before any real connections could be established. I'm on the "Left Coast" of Canada. The government was really out of control here.

I was pretty close to retirement age when this all happened and I have since retired. I still teach a few garden and permaculture classes in the spring but otherwise I'm pretty content to be a homebody. I putter around my garden in the warm season and kitchen and sewing room in the fall and winter.
I lurk on these forums and, as many others have said, I'm very grateful to JMG for hosting and to all of you forum-istas for participating.

Re: parallel universes

[stubborn_ass]

"It wasn't until I learned about "Chesterton's Fence" that I realized how foolish it was to overturn all our traditional social and cultural norms in a few short decades."

Lots of traditional customs and practices, including various rituals in the main organized religions, also had a strong magical protective aspect. So the 'education' system taught us that it was all outdated, superstitions and being backward, so much so that many things got 'modernized' or streamlined to the extent that it was barely any form left and no substance. I had a conversation with my mom a few months ago, where I think I was vetching about the latest official regulations restricting 'noise pollution' from temples, and also not allowing folks to make food offerings, officially deeming it unhygenic. She said that going to school in the 50's, the focus was on being 'modern'... and she was totally areligious. But as she grew older, she noticed that the world has much more aspects to it and started to learn and follow the old customs on her own volition, starting in her 30's. Smart lady.

A few weeks ago, I asked a friend in my group about the other folks in her Flamenco dance troupe. She said that the older spanish couple (hubby is the director) are in bad shape, cancer this and that... but surprising most folks in the group ranging from 30's to 50's seem to be ok. She pointed out that there are quite a number of traditional warm-up routines that they do, which mirror the movements in Tachi known for having health protective elements. I was like... oh wow... pretty smart of the 'ancients' to have incorporated all that into the warm-ups.

Re: parallel universes

[(Anonymous)]

Tachi => do you mean Tai Chi?

Caldathras

Re: parallel universes

[wolf_wobo]

Hear, Hear!

Well said, i have experienced much the same and unfortunately i have to say is has made me rather bitter. But... Luckily personal growth allows you to work on such things, if you wish. :-)

~Wolf

Re: parallel universes

[claire_58]

"Bitter" Yes, that's the word.

Re: parallel universes

[ofmonstrouswords]

As a recovering lefty, feminist, and environmentalist I feel like I've been played, and spun, and played some more, over all kinds of things. Weaponizing compassion against the compassionate is definitely an effective strategy for propagandists.

I know these feelings so well. I used to be DEEP into feminism/social justice until 2014/2015, when something happened and suddenly I realized I'd been lied to by feminists I trusted. It started me questioning everything that I had believed in for years and began my walk out of feminism and social justice circles. I've lost a lot of friends, and I think most who still hang on to me do so in secret hopes they can convert me back to the cult.

Even then, though, I still believed in the Covid psyops at first--my mom broke her leg in January 2020 and had complications of blood clot and cellulitis, as well as having Hashi's, so she was definitely at high risk for any infection and I was working in the hospital so I was "frontline"--so I do have an excuse for falling for it right away. The news was scary, and I was terrified for my mom. But luckily my husband saw through a lot of stuff early on and kept me sane, kept me from falling too deep, and by end of 2020 when they first offered the jabs to us I was coming out of it. By June 2021 I was fully awake, after working a month full-time in ER reg and seeing the amount of injuries rolling in.

(My husband was also the one who helped me see the truth of the social justice cult I was in. Saved me from 2 cults now. Eternally grateful for him.)

But yes, it's all absolutely weaponized compassion and it's terrifying how effective it is.

Re: parallel universes

[(Anonymous)]

I think about how the right reacted to and endured 4 years of "Joe Biden" and if this is how they can't handle just 3 days, they didn't deserve the four years they got earlier.

Or, if you're going to dish it out, make sure you can take it.