ecosophia | Open (More or Less) Post on Covid 161

We are now in the fourth year of these open posts. When I first posted a tentative hypothesis on the course of the Covid phenomenon, I had no idea that discussion on the subject would still be necessary more than three years later, much less that it would turn into so lively, complex, and troubling a conversation. Still, here we are. Crude death rates and other measures of collapsing public health are anomalously high in many countries, but nobody in authority wants to talk about the inadequately tested experimental Covid injections that are the most likely cause; ~~public health authorities~~ government shills for the pharmaceutical industry are still trying to push through laws that will allow them to force vaccinations on anyone they want; public trust in science is collapsing; and the story continues to unfold.

So it's time for another open post. The rules have been slightly modified:

1. If you plan on parroting the party line of the medical industry and its paid shills, please go away. This is a place for people to talk openly, honestly, and freely about their concerns that the party line in question is dangerously flawed and that actions being pushed by the medical industry and its government enablers are causing injury and death on a massive scale. It is not a place for you to dismiss those concerns. Anyone who wants to hear the official story and the arguments in favor of it can find those on hundreds of thousands of websites.

2. If you plan on insisting that the current situation is the result of a deliberate plot by some villainous group of people or other, please go away. There are tens of thousands of websites currently rehashing various conspiracy theories about the Covid-19 outbreak and the vaccines. This is not one of them. What we're exploring is the likelihood that what's going on is the product of the same arrogance, incompetence, and corruption that the medical industry and its wholly owned politicians have displayed so abundantly in recent decades. That possibility deserves a space of its own for discussion, and that's what we're doing here.

3. If you plan on using rent-a-troll derailing or disruption tactics, please go away. I'm quite familiar with the standard tactics used by troll farms to disrupt online forums, and am ready, willing, and able -- and in fact quite eager -- to ban people permanently for engaging in them here. Oh, and I also lurk on other Covid-19 vaccine skeptic blogs, so I'm likely to notice when the same posts are showing up on more than one venue.

4. If you plan on making off topic comments, please go away. This is an open post for discussion of the Covid epidemic, the vaccines, drugs, policies, and other measures that supposedly treat it, and other topics directly relevant to those things. It is not a place for general discussion of unrelated topics. Nor is it a place to ask for medical advice; giving such advice, unless you're a licensed health care provider, legally counts as practicing medicine without a license and is a crime in the US. Don't even go there.

5. If you don't believe in treating people with common courtesy, please go away. I have, and enforce, a strict courtesy policy on my blogs and online forums, and this is no exception. The sort of schoolyard bullying that takes place on so many other internet forums will get you deleted and banned here. Also, please don't drag in current quarrels about sex, race, religions, etc. No, I don't care if you disagree with that: my journal, my rules.

Please also note that nothing posted here should be construed as medical advice, which neither I nor the commentariat (excepting those who are licensed medical providers) are qualified to give. Please take your medical questions to the licensed professional provider of your choice.

With that said, the floor is open for discussion.

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escorcher

Even when there's not outright manipulation, there's so much distortion to reflect on in the COVID informational hall of mirrors.

Take this Tweet:

https://x.com/TRyanGregory/status/1830648158487249106

' "More than 1 in 5 believe it's safer to get the virus than to get a shot."

For TWO reasons: 1) antivaxxer misinformation about the safety of shots and 2) platforming of minimizers who have convinced people that the virus is not dangerous.'

I follow this person on X because there's useful info. from time to time on the ever changing virus. I don't follow them for their rock solid belief in the greatness and necessity of the vixens. Saying that though, I do acknowledge there is a danger in the virus, though probably less so to me personally than he's thinking and he probably doesn't link a potentially increasing danger with the mass jabbing. I certainly won't ever say or think 'it's just a cold' after my last bout - it's sneaky if you don't watch it.

What I do wonder about is:

1) What fraction think it's safer not to get either the virus or the COVID vixens (my preference for what it's worth)

and

2) How can anyone now think these injectables are anything apart from a failure and actively harmful.

???

Edited (A little rearranging. ) Date: 2024-09-03 04:03 pm (UTC)

From: (Anonymous)

I understand about following people who have a different perspective on the shots. It is good to see all sides. So I thought it might help to offer mine, which is on the other end of the spectrum from the person you are following:

"1) What fraction think it's safer not to get either the virus or the COVID vixens (my preference for what it's worth)" -- none of us want to get sick, but usually there is little choice. And keep in mind, some illnesses are actually beneficial, in that they develop your immune system so you don't get something even worse. So fwiw, I don't think I understand your question. If you live in this world, you will get sick sometimes. Covid, the flu, etc. Support and trust your body -- that is the safest thing I can think to do.

"2) How can anyone now think these injectables are anything apart from a failure and actively harmful." -- let's make that more general: how can anyone think anything that the medical cartel does is helpful other than treating trauma and a very few other things. Here is an example of one of those very few things: if a pregnant woman has the condition placenta previa, then she has to have a Caesarian or both she and the baby die. You want a surgeon (aka, an obstetrician) at that point. I can't think of very many other times that an obstetrician is helpful; they are trained to do surgery, so guess what they do, whether you need it or not? What the Covid "vaccines" demonstrated to anyone that cared to look is that the medical cartel is fine with actively harming people if they can make some cash out of it. It has been that way for a while. Lot's of people haven't woken up to it yet. When you have trauma or really require a C-section to continue living, the medical cartel might come in handy (but keep an eye on them, they can't be trusted!). Otherwise, stay away, stay away, stay away, and trust your own body!

I have another question to add: 3) When did we decide and who decided that we have to go to the doctor/take medication to stay healthy? Just the opposite seems true to me.