Sandalphon is someone I feel far more comfortable with. I know we should pursue magick with a relentless daily practice so that our subtle senses can awaken and we grow in authority to stand with the spirits, but I have never asked him/her (let's go with her) for anything other than to act as an intermediary and she fulfils that task. I have never spoken to her via scrying in spirit vision but I plan to, maybe once I have regained my confidence back.
I believe in the idea of relationships too but the fact that FIRST time conjurations yield no results is a bit disappointing. Do I have to make introductions with each new spirit/angel each time I wish to work it?
In the grimoires, they encourage magicians to build relationships with the spirits we wish to work with and I've been told, perhaps by you or someone else I can't remember, that the relationship builds up automatically by constantly conjuring them and charging them. At least that is an Abramelin initiate told me. 'Spend day after day, time and time again calling the spirits.' Do you agree with all of this?
Someone personally told me that they build a relationship with an angel by doing just that and now that angel comes to him by the mere repetition of its name and fulfils its task, and the number of workings he gave me was 5. So 5 workings - successful workings - strengthen the relationship and maybe that is what I have done with dear Sandalphon.
Your Cicles book discourages from threatening angels, well because, angels can't be threatened and so conjuring them and giving them tasks is all I know, besides spirit vision of course.
I've met more and more people each time I ask this question who tell me that now the spirits come to them by the mere repetition of their name.
I wish I could do that too by now.
Oh I just noticed you said trine, not opposition. You once said on Reddit you have Saturn well placed in your natal chart. The trine (positive aspect) explains why. Mine is not a trine, mine is an applying square - an opposition between Sun and Saturn. My natal Jupiter is in retrograde as well.
Nonetheless, I still won't give up because I've been on this path for 3 years and I don't won't to quit now. So I have been trying to make relationships with these angels as best as I can in the hopes that finally results can flow in and my confidence in the path becomes as constant as yours.
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Date: 2024-03-18 07:56 pm (UTC)I believe in the idea of relationships too but the fact that FIRST time conjurations yield no results is a bit disappointing. Do I have to make introductions with each new spirit/angel each time I wish to work it?
In the grimoires, they encourage magicians to build relationships with the spirits we wish to work with and I've been told, perhaps by you or someone else I can't remember, that the relationship builds up automatically by constantly conjuring them and charging them. At least that is an Abramelin initiate told me. 'Spend day after day, time and time again calling the spirits.' Do you agree with all of this?
Someone personally told me that they build a relationship with an angel by doing just that and now that angel comes to him by the mere repetition of its name and fulfils its task, and the number of workings he gave me was 5. So 5 workings - successful workings - strengthen the relationship and maybe that is what I have done with dear Sandalphon.
Your Cicles book discourages from threatening angels, well because, angels can't be threatened and so conjuring them and giving them tasks is all I know, besides spirit vision of course.
I've met more and more people each time I ask this question who tell me that now the spirits come to them by the mere repetition of their name.
I wish I could do that too by now.
Oh I just noticed you said trine, not opposition. You once said on Reddit you have Saturn well placed in your natal chart. The trine (positive aspect) explains why. Mine is not a trine, mine is an applying square - an opposition between Sun and Saturn. My natal Jupiter is in retrograde as well.
Nonetheless, I still won't give up because I've been on this path for 3 years and I don't won't to quit now. So I have been trying to make relationships with these angels as best as I can in the hopes that finally results can flow in and my confidence in the path becomes as constant as yours.