Open (More or Less) Post on Covid 132

[ecosophia]

We are now in the third year of these open posts. As the phrase "died suddenly" repeats in the mass media like a mantra, statistics for work days lost to illness and all-cause mortality mount up in heavily vaccinated nations, and more and more ugly facts about the official response to Covid spill out into public, we are entering what may well turn out to be the most difficult period of the Covid disaster -- the phase in which denial rises in lockstep with the death rate, and a great many people try not to admit what has been done to them by the people and institutions they trusted. It could get ugly, folks.

So it's time for another open post. The rules are the same as before: 

1. If you plan on parroting the party line of the medical industry and its paid shills, please go away. This is a place for people to talk openly, honestly, and freely about their concerns that the party line in question is dangerously flawed and that actions being pushed by the medical industry et al. are causing injury and death. It is not a place for you to dismiss those concerns. Anyone who wants to hear the official story and the arguments in favor of it can find those on hundreds of thousands of websites.

2. If you plan on insisting that the current situation is the result of a deliberate plot by some villainous group of people or other, please go away. There are tens of thousands of websites currently rehashing various conspiracy theories about the Covid-19 outbreak and the vaccines. This is not one of them. What we're exploring is the likelihood that what's going on is the product of the same arrogance, incompetence, and corruption that the medical industry and its tame politicians have displayed so abundantly in recent decades. That possibility deserves a space of its own for discussion, and that's what we're doing here. 
 
3. If you plan on using rent-a-troll derailing or disruption tactics, please go away. I'm quite familiar with the standard tactics used by troll farms to disrupt online forums, and am ready, willing, and able -- and in fact quite eager -- to ban people permanently for engaging in them here. Oh, and I also lurk on other Covid-19 vaccine skeptic blogs, so I'm likely to notice when the same posts are showing up on more than one venue. 

4. If you don't believe in treating people with common courtesy, please go away. I have, and enforce, a strict courtesy policy on my blogs and online forums, and this is no exception. The sort of schoolyard bullying that takes place on so many other internet forums will get you deleted and banned here. Also, please don't drag in current quarrels about sex, race, religions, etc. No, I don't care if you disagree with that: my journal, my rules. 

With that said, the floor is open for discussion.

Comments

[(Anonymous)]

How did I "lecture" you? Did I write anything other than to inform you of how a doctor thinks about risk management?

You wrote "In your case, part of your risk management as a doctor in the US today is what happens to you if you consider anything other than the standard cancer treatments - consider anything else and you risk losing your license. So no, your risk management and your patient's do not exactly coincide."

That is false.

I said nothing about treatment. The subject is risk management as it pertains to diagnostic evaluation only. A positive diagnosis for cancer (or whatever) enables the patient to make informed decisions, including whether to seek care outside of the medical system. Once the diagnosis is made, the patient is free to take the doctor's treatment advice or seek other care. A doctor is legally and morally obliged to offer the standard of care; you are the buyer, and you can take it or leave it. A doctor is not liable for what an informed patient decides.

You also wrote: "Yes, there is a risk to not seeing doctors and getting a symptom checked, and yes you have a point about early diagnosis.

You need to balance that against the risk of seeing a doctor."

Do you really believe that seeing a doctor to evaluate a symptom carries the same risk as possibly missing a cancer? Are you joking?

God takes care of fools. Smart people have to take care of themselves.

--Lunar Apprentice

[(Anonymous)]

My brother steadfastly refused to get pains in the 'lower stomach' area looked at.
And when he did it was diagnosed as 'too late.'
Well, he's gone.
Cancer.


A family member pushes me to get some weird moles looked at. I better hop to it though I haven't seen my dr., and rather wouldn't, since this all began.

[scotlyn]

If I may.

This reply is BOTH for you, Charlie Obert, and for you, Lunar Apprentice.

I want to give you BOTH appreciation for what you are saying here. Each of you speaks from experience, and the rest of us are better off to have heard what each of you has to say.

I would not like EITHER of you to leave this thread feeling unheard.

For myself, I have not needed to attend a doctor for many years, but I am happy to have a local practitioner who I regard as an excellent clinician, should I ever need to have a condition diagnosed. Due to our past history with one another, this doctor will certainly expect that, having been diagnosed, I will go my own way, and take all medical advice "under advisement". I TOTALLY hear Lunar Apprentice on this matter!

Still, I tend to avoid "wellness checkups" and other unnecessary contacts with the medical system, because they present too many opportunities for pharmaceutical opportunism, and I TOTALLY hear Charlie on this. It is seldom that a person can get OFF the interventionist road, once they have got on it, and tolerably often leads to the contradictory outcome "the illness was cured, but the patient died."

[charlieobert]

I appreciate your note.

"but I am happy to have a local practitioner who I regard as an excellent clinician, should I ever need to have a condition diagnosed."

I do not, and my experience with first-line non-specialist practitioners is, um, less than stellar. If/when I need a doctor's diagnosis I have to count on a great deal of prayer before and after the session, and much research on my own. Sigh...