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notice anythingWe are now in the third year of these open posts. As the phrase "died suddenly" repeats in the mass media like a mantra, statistics for work days lost to illness and all-cause mortality mount up in heavily vaccinated nations, and more and more ugly facts about the official response to Covid spill out into public, we are entering what may well turn out to be the most difficult period of the Covid disaster -- the phase in which denial rises in lockstep with the death rate, and a great many people try not to admit what has been done to them by the people and institutions they trusted. It could get ugly, folks.

So it's time for another open post. The rules are the same as before: 

1. If you plan on parroting the party line of the medical industry and its paid shills, please go away. This is a place for people to talk openly, honestly, and freely about their concerns that the party line in question is dangerously flawed and that actions being pushed by the medical industry et al. are causing injury and death. It is not a place for you to dismiss those concerns. Anyone who wants to hear the official story and the arguments in favor of it can find those on hundreds of thousands of websites.

2. If you plan on insisting that the current situation is the result of a deliberate plot by some villainous group of people or other, please go away. There are tens of thousands of websites currently rehashing various conspiracy theories about the Covid-19 outbreak and the vaccines. This is not one of them. What we're exploring is the likelihood that what's going on is the product of the same arrogance, incompetence, and corruption that the medical industry and its tame politicians have displayed so abundantly in recent decades. That possibility deserves a space of its own for discussion, and that's what we're doing here. 
 
3. If you plan on using rent-a-troll derailing or disruption tactics, please go away. I'm quite familiar with the standard tactics used by troll farms to disrupt online forums, and am ready, willing, and able -- and in fact quite eager -- to ban people permanently for engaging in them here. Oh, and I also lurk on other Covid-19 vaccine skeptic blogs, so I'm likely to notice when the same posts are showing up on more than one venue. 

4. If you don't believe in treating people with common courtesy, please go away. I have, and enforce, a strict courtesy policy on my blogs and online forums, and this is no exception. The sort of schoolyard bullying that takes place on so many other internet forums will get you deleted and banned here. Also, please don't drag in current quarrels about sex, race, religions, etc. No, I don't care if you disagree with that: my journal, my rules. 

With that said, the floor is open for discussion.

Doc never heard of VAERS!

Date: 2023-09-06 04:33 pm (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
Long story, short: I asked my doctor yesterday to submit a VAERS report on my behalf for what is clearly an adverse reaction to the vaccine. Doc responded, "What's VAERS?" I kid you not.

Doc is very nice, listened patiently, and finally relented by adding a note to my chart that I had possibly suffered an adverse reaction to the covid vaccine.

Then, doc says, "For your condition, you should take this medication for the rest of your life." I very respectfully said no thanks. Pre-covid me would have said, "Sure! Lemme have it." Post-covid, I just instinctually don't trust the system.

Just a data point. I get a lot out of reading your comments, so I thought it only fair to share mine.

In part due to JMG's influence, my wife and I quit our jobs and moved to the country several years ago. We live on an island, operate a very small farm, grow our own food, cooperate with our neighbors. Ironically, we're enjoying a much, much higher quality life than if the system were still humming along fine, with us back in our cubicles punching keys, making lots of money. So thanks JMG, and the entire commentariat. The future is not dark, it's just different.

Re: Doc never heard of VAERS!

Date: 2023-09-06 05:22 pm (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
Did you ever see that Seinfeld episode where they jot down Elaine's name on her chart as a difficult patient?

Erika

Re: Doc never heard of VAERS!

Date: 2023-09-07 11:28 pm (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
I didn’t, what happened?

—Princess Cutekitten

Re: Doc never heard of VAERS!

Date: 2023-09-09 01:13 am (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
No, but thanks for hijacking the thread. I'll find it and be so much better informed about important these issues.

That's probably how my doc managed to be a doc without knowing what VAERS is. My doc is a nice person, listens, and engages. But that darn Seinfeld episode library, so distracting....choices, choices!

JMG, you should consider curating trash responses like that. That was my first comment ever, and likely my last.

Re: Doc never heard of VAERS!

Date: 2023-09-09 04:13 am (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
Per your rules link JMG, it's called "resource burn," "topic dilution," and perhaps "forum sliding."

But to come off my high horse and simply respond in kind, no Erika, I'm not that old.

Re: Doc never heard of VAERS!

Date: 2023-09-11 07:16 pm (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
I'm not sure how you view this as resource burn, forum sliding, or topic dilution. The comment about Seinfeld is perfectly relevant. Erika was merely using a pop culture reference to inform you that you may have just gotten yourself labeled as a "difficult patient" for questioning the safety of the vaccine. I hope your doctor is as honest and patient-focused as you think, because I've heard a number of stories of just such a thing happening, which can make getting good health care much harder.

"Difficult patient" means they are going to have security (or strong orderlies) on call when dealing with you and much less likely to listen to your opinion on anything medical. And that's if they are willing to assist you at all, and not just black list you because they don't want to deal with the hassle. Source: My wife is a nurse who has worked in hospital settings.

Re: Doc never heard of VAERS!

Date: 2023-09-09 03:16 pm (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
I believe this situation was so funny because it's so true. It happens more times than we as a whole realize, don't you think? We must all become our own patient advocates or perish. Thanks for reminding me about how that show about nothing could be meaningful and remain so to this day.

-Black Tuna and Hand

Re: Doc never heard of VAERS!

Date: 2023-09-12 03:45 am (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
I was referred by my MD (who I haven't seen since covid began) to a basic,regular md type specialist, in the same clinic, and noticed my 'card' that went with me (though not in my possession) in the nurses or receptionist's hand. I saw some notes my MD had made and wondered WTF was that?
It didn't seem to be about the examination I was being sent to book.





Re: Doc never heard of VAERS!

Date: 2023-09-06 09:43 pm (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
Thanks for sharing this. I like how you put it, "The future is not dark, it's just different."

Cetiosaurus

Re: Doc never heard of VAERS!

Date: 2023-09-09 03:09 pm (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
Similar to the story of your wife and you-we assumed the guise of the bucolic life, but for us it began several decades ago and on a mountain top. Our home is a revolutionary war grant of the original dimensions and homestead. Putnam family descendants from old Salem changed their names and settled on a hilltop one or two over. We were able to buy this for pocket change by today's standards. Not too dear, but still, we didn't have a pot to pee in. In part, because of this place we were eventually able to retire early up here far, far away from concrete buildings and window curtains.
But often, I find the need to remind myself of the words of one of my more memorable sociology instructors. He said "No matter how far away you go, you are still the same person. New and different, yes. But the child is the father of the man." Remembering that and being our own patient advocates has aided us in keeping our goals on track for all these years. Best wishes for you guys on your new adventures.

Re: Doc never heard of VAERS!

Date: 2023-09-11 10:43 pm (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
As a self described "difficult patient" I just want to say that I am sure that the Seinfeld comment was not meant to hijack the discussion. It was just a way of telling you that if you try to tell a doctor about VAERS, you are going to get labelled, no question about it. If I ever went to a doctor, and I don't, I would be so labelled. As it stands, I am just known in the medical records as a "difficult spouse" and a "difficult mother." Doctors are 99.9% conformists. There are very few good guys that are willing to stand up for their patients. They are out there. Some are on this forum. You won't find them without looking very very hard, and I have never found one in my area, so I guess for me, that .01% of good guys is just a hope. For myself, unless I have a gunshot wound or am in a serious accident with internal injuries and broken bones, I give the medical industry a miss. They don't have your best interests at heart.
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