Open (More or Less) Post on Covid 109

[ecosophia]

We are now in the third year of these open posts. As the phrase "died suddenly" repeats in the mass media like a mantra, statistics for work days lost to illness and all-cause mortality mount up in heavily vaccinated nations, and more and more ugly facts about the official response to Covid spill out into public, we are entering what may well turn out to be the most difficult period of the Covid disaster -- the phase in which denial rises in lockstep with the death rate, and a great many people try not to admit what has been done to them by the people and institutions they trusted. It could get ugly, folks.

So it's time for another open post. The rules are the same as before: 

1. If you plan on parroting the party line of the medical industry and its paid shills, please go away. This is a place for people to talk openly, honestly, and freely about their concerns that the party line in question is dangerously flawed and that actions being pushed by the medical industry et al. are causing injury and death. It is not a place for you to dismiss those concerns. Anyone who wants to hear the official story and the arguments in favor of it can find those on hundreds of thousands of websites.

2. If you plan on insisting that the current situation is the result of a deliberate plot by some villainous group of people or other, please go away. There are tens of thousands of websites currently rehashing various conspiracy theories about the Covid-19 outbreak and the vaccines. This is not one of them. What we're exploring is the likelihood that what's going on is the product of the same arrogance, incompetence, and corruption that the medical industry and its tame politicians have displayed so abundantly in recent decades. That possibility deserves a space of its own for discussion, and that's what we're doing here. 
 
3. If you plan on using rent-a-troll derailing or disruption tactics, please go away. I'm quite familiar with the standard tactics used by troll farms to disrupt online forums, and am ready, willing, and able -- and in fact quite eager -- to ban people permanently for engaging in them here. Oh, and I also lurk on other Covid-19 vaccine skeptic blogs, so I'm likely to notice when the same posts are showing up on more than one venue. 

4. If you don't believe in treating people with common courtesy, please go away. I have, and enforce, a strict courtesy policy on my blogs and online forums, and this is no exception. The sort of schoolyard bullying that takes place on so many other internet forums will get you deleted and banned here. Also, please don't drag in current quarrels about sex, race, religions, etc. No, I don't care if you disagree with that: my journal, my rules. 

With that said, the floor is open for discussion.

Comments

[(Anonymous)]

Every coronavirus vaccine that had ever been tested on animals led to frighteningly unacceptable mortality rates, deactivated-virus vaccines included. Boooo!!! So one reason that they went with experimental vaccines is that traditional vaccines were known to be lethal.

Of course, the animal testing of mRNA vaccines had produced frighteningly unacceptable mortality rates as well... but some inventors had come up with a few tweaks on mRNA delivery that might just have fixed that little toxicity problem! Yayyy!!! Not that there were any test results proving their profitable newly-tweaked product's safety in any way yet. The extraordinarily lucky convenience of getting a well-timed pandemic that drastically curtailed all the pesky testing requirements has already been duly noted by quite a few skeptics. Ummmm???

Once a pandemic scare had been successfully marketed globally, all that was needed was for well-placed scientific advisors to coordinatedly recite that every non-experimental coronavirus vaccine ever tested had produced lethal results. Boooo!!! Based on that well-remunerated scientific "consensus", untested experimental vaccines then got sold as the safest and most efficacious path forward. Yayyy!!!

Without all the grossly overpaid and seriously compromised cheerleaders egging this disastrous result across the finish line, this insanely profitable but untested technology would never have been allowed to be tested on the unsuspecting populace. Just goes to show the power of strategically-placed cheerleaders. Yayyy!!! Heck, they could probably get business districts burned down, presidents elected, and children castrated if they cheered it on loudly enough. Boooo!!! or... er... Yayyy!!! or... Ummmm???

— Christophe

[(Anonymous)]

If traditional vaccines are known to be lethal, then why are non-western countries using them? It's the fact that they're being used outside of the west, but not inside of it, that I find odd.

[(Anonymous)]

There are no traditional vaccines being used for Covid, though each country put a different spin on the selling of its vaccine. Some claim to be the same as older kinds of vaccines, but they're not, as those are known to be fatal when applied to coronaviruses. The Russian vaccine maker went to great lengths to pretend that its product was more traditional, even though it is just as experimental as the mRNA vaccines.

US companies have gobs of patents on the whole mRNA-delivery package, so any other country that wanted to do an mRNA vaccine would have had to hand most of the profits over to US pharmaceutical giants. Fortunately (or more likely unfortunately,) there's a ton of other experimental techniques out there to test out on uninformed populations.

There is not a single coronavirus vaccine that has ever tested safe in animal trials followed by 10-year-or-longer human trials. Regardless of what kind of vaccine is getting thrown at Covid, they have all consistently proven deadly in whatever aborted trials they underwent. The current improperly-disclosed global human trials are proving similarly fatal, but no one yet knows which of these untested technologies will eventually result in the highest fatality rate. It's turned into a real nail-biter, hasn't it?

— Christophe

[(Anonymous)]

There are loads of places which have authorized deactivated covid vaccines. Including, now that I look, the EU. Hmm, it looks like my comments on the western world weren't entirely accurate.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_COVID-19_vaccine_authorizations#/media/File:COVID-19_inactivated_vaccines_authorization_map.svg

[(Anonymous)]

Roger. So, when you wrote "standard deactivated virus vaccines” and “traditional vaccines”, you were referring to any kind of deactivated-virus vaccine, no matter how dangerously experimental, that got itself green-lighted for global testing. My bad — I had read your “standard” and “traditional” much more narrowly than that.

Fortunately, Wikipedia is happy to provide you with the most unbiased information available, allowing you to remain as unsatisfied as you choose to be about all the various responses that have been offered to help you make sense of the conundrum you’ve found yourself in. The option of instead exploring why Wikipedia might be marketing some brand of truthiness that doesn’t quite line up with your past experience of human behavior, motivation, or honesty will always remain open as well, should you eventually tire of continuing along your current tack.

— Christophe