Open (More or Less) Post on Covid 90

[ecosophia]

As we proceed through the second year of these open posts, it's pretty clear that the official narrative is cracking as the toll of deaths and injuries from the Covid vaccines rises steadily and the vaccines themselves demonstrate their total uselessness at preventing Covid infection or transmission. It's still important to keep watch over the mis-, mal- and nonfeasance of our self-proclaimed health gruppenfuehrers, and the disastrous results of the Covid mania, but I think it's also time to begin thinking about what might be possible as the existing medical industry reels under the impact of its own self-inflicted injuries. 

So it's time for another open post. The rules are the same as before: 

1. If you plan on parroting the party line of the medical industry and its paid shills, please go away. This is a place for people to talk openly, honestly, and freely about their concerns that the party line in question is dangerously flawed and that actions being pushed by the medical industry et al. are causing injury and death. It is not a place for you to dismiss those concerns. Anyone who wants to hear the official story and the arguments in favor of it can find those on hundreds of thousands of websites.

2. If you plan on insisting that the current situation is the result of a deliberate plot by some villainous group of people or other, please go away. There are tens of thousands of websites currently rehashing various conspiracy theories about the Covid-19 outbreak and the vaccines. This is not one of them. What we're exploring is the likelihood that what's going on is the product of the same arrogance, incompetence, and corruption that the medical industry and its tame politicians have displayed so abundantly in recent decades. That possibility deserves a space of its own for discussion, and that's what we're doing here. 
 
3. If you plan on using rent-a-troll derailing or disruption tactics, please go away. I'm quite familiar with the standard tactics used by troll farms to disrupt online forums, and am ready, willing, and able -- and in fact quite eager -- to ban people permanently for engaging in them here. Oh, and I also lurk on other Covid-19 vaccine skeptic blogs, so I'm likely to notice when the same posts are showing up on more than one venue. 

4. If you don't believe in treating people with common courtesy, please go away. I have, and enforce, a strict courtesy policy on my blogs and online forums, and this is no exception. The sort of schoolyard bullying that takes place on so many other internet forums will get you deleted and banned here. Also, please don't drag in current quarrels about sex, race, religions, etc. No, I don't care if you disagree with that: my journal, my rules. 

With that said, the floor is open for discussion.

Comments

[(Anonymous)]

Is anyone else getting a sense we're in a calm before a major storm? I'm watching a lot of signs pointing to a lot of people waking up to what happened during Covid-19, a lot of people trying to shove their involvement in the mess under the rug, and a lot of tension that's just waiting for a fuse to light it.

I hope I'm wrong, but if the immune damage scenario is playing out, and if it is linked to Covid-19 infections as it seems like it might, I'm rather worried that a very nasty flu season (as in Spanish Flu level bad) this winter will be what does it. Given that there's still the True Covidians, I can't see any way that won't play out in a royal mess.....

calms, storms

[methylethyl]

One reason I asked about religious affiliation patterns in the comment above, is because the new people coming in seem to have a sense of... something big coming down the pike. It's a combination of things, fairly nebulous, but the sense I get talking to people about why they're suddenly showing up at my church, is some combination of a) the covid response peeled something back, revealed something ugly and hostile, and b) people have a feeling that this is not the end of it, but rather just a prelude, and that there's something bigger and uglier coming. And at least for people showing up at church... becoming part of a religious community, and joining a serious liturgical religion with a long unbroken lineage seemed like the appropriate response.

This intrigues me, because nobody can say very clearly what it is that drove them into church, but the feeling is very much one of pursuit. There's something *out there* that they are looking for protection from. This is new-- I've been Orthodox for a lot of years now, and it's not something I've seen before. Our parish has probably doubled in size in the last year and a half.

So the question is: what is it? Nobody seems to know exactly, they just know they want to be settled into a religious community before it gets here. Plague? Famine? War? Hostile government? Who knows? Whatever it is, I think it's real, and the leading edge is being felt on a really visceral level by sensitive people... which is why I'm super curious to know if people in other religions, churches, and regions are seeing the same thing. The reach might tell us something about what it is.

Re: calms, storms

[(Anonymous)]

Methylethyl,

I have that ominous feeling too. People in my area seem mostly grounded and sane (rural VT) but there is something moving in the national culture that feels dangerously sick, aggressive, and malevolent. A couple of years ago I felt pulled to look for a church. I pray to the Christian God but I pray to others too so I decided not to heed the call. Presenting myself as Christian feels dishonest even though I believe in some Christian things. Also, um, social anxiety. It feels like something very dangerous is out there. Whatever "it" is, it doesn't feel like the normal catastrophes that sweep over us from time to time (famine, plague). Maybe I'm full of beans. But seeking a religious community in the face of whatever it is strikes me as very sensible.

Someone upstream was asking about masks. Around here almost no one is wearing masks anymore. It seems a big more common at the Co-op, which draws a more upscale crowd. Usually the masker is elderly.

Maroon Bulbous Shrew

Re: calms, storms

[methylethyl]

Talked to an old friend recently who said, basically, that while he was still completely agnostic and had no use for religion personally, he was looking for a church to join. Why? So his kid could have a more normal peer group, basically. He feels outgunned and outnumbered trying to raise a child in a toxic culture, says kid keeps coming home with these weird nihilistic ideas, garbage pop culture, etc. that seems quite malevolent and he doesn't feel like he has anything in his personal philosophical arsenal to push back with. The only thing he can think of to resist it is church (a thing he rejected in adolescence and has never looked back on). He's looking for a cultural umbrella to shelter his kid under. I wished him luck. I don't have a lot of confidence it'll work out, but here's hoping.

It's intriguing to me that this is the reflexive response of one of the most areligous people I know. I can only imagine what it's like for anybody who has even an *inkling* of spiritual inclination, facing the same thing.

Re: calms, storms

[(Anonymous)]

I feel it. I wish there were a church I could join, but I have yet to find one in my area that I feel sufficiently comfortable with. How easily so many people were corrupted during covid. My trust level for religious institutions is below zero.

Cetiosaurus