Open (More or Less) Post on Covid 86

[ecosophia]

As we proceed through the second year of these open posts, it's pretty clear that the official narrative is cracking as the toll of deaths and injuries from the Covid vaccines rises steadily and the vaccines themselves demonstrate their total uselessness at preventing Covid infection or transmission. It's still important to keep watch over the mis-, mal- and nonfeasance of our self-proclaimed health gruppenfuehrers, and the disastrous results of the Covid mania, but I think it's also time to begin thinking about what might be possible as the existing medical industry reels under the impact of its own self-inflicted injuries. 

So it's time for another open post. The rules are the same as before: 

1. If you plan on parroting the party line of the medical industry and its paid shills, please go away. This is a place for people to talk openly, honestly, and freely about their concerns that the party line in question is dangerously flawed and that actions being pushed by the medical industry et al. are causing injury and death. It is not a place for you to dismiss those concerns. Anyone who wants to hear the official story and the arguments in favor of it can find those on hundreds of thousands of websites.

2. If you plan on insisting that the current situation is the result of a deliberate plot by some villainous group of people or other, please go away. There are tens of thousands of websites currently rehashing various conspiracy theories about the Covid-19 outbreak and the vaccines. This is not one of them. What we're exploring is the likelihood that what's going on is the product of the same arrogance, incompetence, and corruption that the medical industry and its tame politicians have displayed so abundantly in recent decades. That possibility deserves a space of its own for discussion, and that's what we're doing here. 
 
3. If you plan on using rent-a-troll derailing or disruption tactics, please go away. I'm quite familiar with the standard tactics used by troll farms to disrupt online forums, and am ready, willing, and able -- and in fact quite eager -- to ban people permanently for engaging in them here. Oh, and I also lurk on other Covid-19 vaccine skeptic blogs, so I'm likely to notice when the same posts are showing up on more than one venue. 

4. If you don't believe in treating people with common courtesy, please go away. I have, and enforce, a strict courtesy policy on my blogs and online forums, and this is no exception. The sort of schoolyard bullying that takes place on so many other internet forums will get you deleted and banned here. Also, please don't drag in current quarrels about sex, race, religions, etc. No, I don't care if you disagree with that: my journal, my rules. 

With that said, the floor is open for discussion.

Comments

Re: Time to shut it all down?

[(Anonymous)]

I'm not overly worried about AI for the same reason I'm not overly worried about currencies going digital. Both, like travel to the stars, are entirely dependent upon an inexhaustible supply of low-cost energy. The cause of the current economic crisis (and hence the desperate grasping on the part of world leaders for autocratic central-control measures like AI and digital currencies) is that low-cost energy is no longer available because society is burning up the fuel faster than new supplies can be found. As the cost of energy rises, so too will the cost of the AI and digital currencies that depend heavily upon it - and at some point they will fail financially, and that will be the end of them. While I don't expect to see that in tomorrow's news, it is coming sooner than anyone involved with it expects, so have your popcorn ready!

Re: Time to shut it all down?

[(Anonymous)]

I have to keep reminding myself of this point, because the triumphalism is so prevalent.

Re: Time to shut it all down?

[sinners4diseasecontrol]

Somehow, I keep being reminded of this one from Gary Larson: https://twitter.com/tunkaipoh/status/1057482145810153475

That's us humans, and our big ideas, and how we see ourselves as so important.

Re: Time to shut it all down?

[(Anonymous)]

Hopefully, but it seems like the window for collapse due to fossil fuel depletion preventing digital currency and AI from happening is closing, if it hasn't already closed.

TPTB basically already have the technology for digital currency - almost all of my transactions are digital at any rate, so it seems like a relatively small matter to link my biological profile to my digital profile, and/or to some social credit score system etc. in a database or whatever, using existing technologies. The main barriers to digital currency where I live would probably be legal (privacy laws) and perhaps social (public opposition, although I wouldn't count on that).

Whether it's possible to create an actual AI is different, as the technology to do it may not currently exist. That said, at least some egghead/s claim that AI already exists, and the rest seem to more or less agree that it's likely to happen (if it hasn't already). Most of the eggheads seem to agree that they have no idea what they are doing or the potential benefits/consequences (including potentially human extinction), which is disturbing, but it won't stop them.

Travel to the stars is in a different league again, as the technology for that is far more speculative - to put it mildly - perhaps 'science fiction' is a better term, and/or a feel-good story that believers in the religion of science tell themselves.

As an aside, as I was writing earlier tonight, I experienced a strong sense of déjà vu - weird - we may have exchanged these ideas before.

Back to the story. . .

I'd say digital currency is the most likely (because the tech is there), then AI (as the tech may not be there yet, but seems likely to get there, or at least to get close enough to be good enough), but human space travel to other stars seems unlikely in my lifetime, if ever, because the technology does not exist, and does not seem likely to exist either.

Never say never though.

While I'm pretty far from convinced that it's going to be possible for humans to travel to other stars, perhaps a human could be altered to do it by technicians? But what would be the point I suppose - the traveler probably wouldn't be a human anymore. Some organisms might already be able to pull it off - I have heard that mushroom spores are pretty hardy, but once again, what would be the point of sending interstellar fungus?

But, who knows? In deep time, perhaps we will evolve into a Cthulu mythos style of creature that can endure the vast empty spaces and timescales involved: “That is not dead which can eternal lie, And with strange aeons even death may die.”

'Cthulu-humans' might then travel using some sort of technology, or intrinsic capability, that is beyond current human understanding. This is obviously extremely speculative/fantastic/science fiction, so it's not like it keeps me up at night or anything :) Plus, it'd also require us not destroying ourselves in the near future, which seems increasingly unlikely.

Coming back to reality, you appear to be hoping for a fossil-fuel-depletion-collapse, which is okay with me from a philosophical point of view, as I would agree that collapse is desirable over complete loss of liberty, dignity, or extinction, which are all seeming increasingly likely the longer that the system runs on.

Where we might differ though is on whether collapse due to something faster than depletion mightn't be for the best :P

The Ninth Mouse