Open (More or Less) Post on Covid 75
Jan. 10th, 2023 01:34 pm![[personal profile]](https://www.dreamwidth.org/img/silk/identity/user.png){kind=small}
ecosophia
As we proceed through the second year of these open posts, it's pretty clear that the official narrative is cracking as the toll of deaths and injuries from the Covid vaccines rises steadily and the vaccines themselves demonstrate their total uselessness at preventing Covid infection or transmission. It's still important to keep watch over the mis-, mal- and nonfeasance of our self-proclaimed health gruppenfuehrers, and the disastrous results of the Covid mania, but I think it's also time to begin thinking about what might be possible as the existing medical industry reels under the impact of its own self-inflicted injuries. So it's time for another open post. The rules are the same as before:
1. If you plan on parroting the party line of the medical industry and its paid shills, please go away. This is a place for people to talk openly, honestly, and freely about their concerns that the party line in question is dangerously flawed and that actions being pushed by the medical industry et al. are causing injury and death. It is not a place for you to dismiss those concerns. Anyone who wants to hear the official story and the arguments in favor of it can find those on hundreds of thousands of websites.
2. If you plan on insisting that the current situation is the result of a deliberate plot by some villainous group of people or other, please go away. There are tens of thousands of websites currently rehashing various conspiracy theories about the Covid-19 outbreak and the vaccines. This is not one of them. What we're exploring is the likelihood that what's going on is the product of the same arrogance, incompetence, and corruption that the medical industry and its tame politicians have displayed so abundantly in recent decades. That possibility deserves a space of its own for discussion, and that's what we're doing here.
3. If you plan on using rent-a-troll derailing or disruption tactics, please go away. I'm quite familiar with the standard tactics used by troll farms to disrupt online forums, and am ready, willing, and able -- and in fact quite eager -- to ban people permanently for engaging in them here. Oh, and I also lurk on other Covid-19 vaccine skeptic blogs, so I'm likely to notice when the same posts are showing up on more than one venue.
4. If you don't believe in treating people with common courtesy, please go away. I have, and enforce, a strict courtesy policy on my blogs and online forums, and this is no exception. The sort of schoolyard bullying that takes place on so many other internet forums will get you deleted and banned here. Also, please don't drag in current quarrels about sex, race, religious, etc. No, I don't care if you disagree with that: my journal, my rules.
With that said, the floor is open for discussion.
is it over?
Date: 2023-01-10 08:52 pm (UTC)https://twitter.com/rycunni/status/1612584399417008130
I sai open thread 78 31 of January but I don't believe it is more of a sign
Re: is it over?
Date: 2023-01-10 10:17 pm (UTC)Re: is it over?
Date: 2023-01-10 11:15 pm (UTC)Re: is it over?
Date: 2023-01-11 12:06 am (UTC)¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Re: is it over?
Date: 2023-01-12 05:15 am (UTC)Re: is it over?
Date: 2023-01-11 08:05 am (UTC)I wouldn't argue the toss with him, considering the position he is in and how he must feel.
Perhaps I shouldn't say anything, but his tweet seems to provide an example of a style of thinking that some people have of thinking in logical fallacies that seems to have gotten them into trouble, so maybe it might help to identify it.
I'm not trying to be nasty here either.
It seems to me that this poor fellow might be generalizing about vaccine refuseniks being conspiracy theorists to make a cynical/humorous point, but behind it could be an assumption that vaccine refuseniks are in fact conspiracy theorists. That's what humour is about right? Taking something real and making it ridiculous? I.e. he's making a joke/point that nutter conspiracy believers are better off than people who trust in rational science - or something like that.
But there's an error at the heart of his point/joke, and that is that vaccine refuseniks are not all irrational conspiracy theorists. In fact, most of them probably aren't.
So how did he arrive at that understanding?
In part, I submit that he probably got there through believing propaganda which was riddled with logical fallacies such as hasty generalizations and/or gross exaggerations of perceived negative characteristics of the opposition to create an inaccurate negative impression, etc, etc.
In the real world, I'm pretty sure that most of us didn't decline the vaccines because we thought they were being pushed on us by a cabal of literal lizard people in skin suits, or whatever. Instead, I'd bet that most of us probably refused the shots because we hate being lied to and manipulated by slimy lizards in suits of the more mundane and psychopathic human variety.
In this day and age, it seems like one has to read between the lines on everything, because the 'authorities/elites' simply cannot be trusted. It's just a fact man. There's a reason why trust in institutions of all descriptions was low before covid world came along.
And if you believed them, and they managed to knife you, they'd just turn around and say it was your own stupid fault for believing them. Government in Oz, for example, has this down to an art - core vs non-core election promises etc.
I bet trust is even lower now after this. I don't think that makes me, or the poor fellows with busted hears conspiracy theorists. Just realists.
The Ninth Mouse
Re: is it over?
Date: 2023-01-12 01:59 am (UTC)Sums up how I have been seeing this so well.
Thanks for spelling it out. Hope distrust in institution's wanes soon due to positive action, but not expecting anything soon. I have been trying to prepare my kids for some ways of dealing with a future where distrust only worsens.
[Jed]
Re: is it over?
Date: 2023-01-13 01:28 pm (UTC)https://twitter.com/Sgtnewsnetwork/status/1613586759736258560?cxt=HHwWgMDTxfumzuQsAAAA
Cackle - if meeting in person is as important for building trust as Klaus says, then why weren't any of us invited?
Moreover, why have 5,000 bouncers been hired to keep us out!
https://www.eutimes.net/2023/01/swiss-army-will-deploy-5000-troops-to-protect-wef-from-common-people/
The Ninth Mouse