Magic Monday

[ecosophia]

It's getting on for midnight, so we can proceed with a new Magic Monday. Ask me anything about occultism and I'll do my best to answer it. With certain exceptions, any question received by midnight Monday Eastern time will get an answer. Please note:  Any question received after then will not get an answer, and in fact will just be deleted. I've been getting an increasing number of people trying to post after these are closed, so will have to draw a harder line than before.) If you're in a hurry, or suspect you may be the 143,916th person to ask a question, please check out the very rough version 1.0 of The Magic Monday FAQ here. Also: I will not be putting through or answering any more questions about practicing magic around children. I've answered those in simple declarative sentences in the FAQ. If you read the FAQ and don't think your question has been answered, read it again. If that doesn't help, consider remedial reading classes; yes, it really is as simple and straightforward as the FAQ says. 

The image (or lack of same)? At this point I've traced Juliet Ashley's lineage back as far as photos and documentation extend. John Gilbert's other main teacher, Rev. Matthew William Shaw aka Rhodonn Starrus, is a tougher proposition. Born in Pennsylvania, he became a Universalist minister, serving in a church in the Allentown, PA area.  In 1952 he and two other ministers of the Universalist Church, Revs. Omar Zasluchy and Owen Symanski, left the church to protest the upcoming merger between their denomination and the Unitarian Church. (They believed that the Unitarians planned on taking over the congregations,  churches, and bank accounts, and then discarding every element of Universalist teaching and tradition; as it turned out, they were right.) In 1952, the three of them were duly consecrated as bishops by Bishop Robert Monroe of the Liberal Catholic Church, and founded the Universal Gnostic Church (UGC). Rev. Shaw had already founded the Modern Order of Essenes as a healing order associated with his church, and took it with him into the UGC. In 1972 he relocated to the Boulder, CO area where he became a friend and associate of Dr. Juliet Ashley, and received initiation into the orders she headed -- the Order of Spiritual Alchemy, the Holy Order of the Golden Dawn, and the Ancient Order of Druids in America -- while she became active in the Modern Order of Essenes and the Universal Gnostic Church.  John Gilbert described him as a gifted teacher but a strict taskmaster, who demanded the best from his students and usually got it. 

I have yet to find a photo of the man, or accurate information on his birth and death dates -- I gather from what John told me that he died sometime in the 1980s. I have also been unable to find much of anything about Bishop Robert Monroe of the LCC -- there were plenty of schisms in the LCC's history, and he apparently ended up on the wrong side of one of them, so he's just a name in a few old lists at this point. I hope to be able to get more information on him, on Matthew Shaw, and on the early history of the UGC as things proceed. 

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Reincarnation of historical figures

[(Anonymous)]

If everyone reincarnates, does that mean people like Julius Ceaser may walk among us right now? Are there any known cases of people finding out they were famous historical figures in past lives?

Re: Reincarnation of historical figures

[ecosophia]

Yes, but it's rare, precisely because people like Julius Caesar are exceptional. If you were Julius Caesar in a previous life you're not going to be Joe or Jane Average in this life -- you'll still have the charisma, the political savvy, the talent for command, and the overwhelming ambition that made Julius Caesar one of the most powerful men in the world. Given those things, you'd either be famous and powerful or you'd be well on your way to that status.

The reason I stress this is that ever since reincarnation became known again in the Western world, a certain number of bland little people with bland little lives have made up for their blandness by insisting that they were famous, powerful, important people in a previous life. I've met examples of the type, and my immediate question is, "What happened? How did the soul of a famous, powerful, important person turn into such a damp little failure?"

(The late Francis King, a capable British occultist, used to say that he knew 70 different people who claimed to be the reincarnation of Aleister Crowley. He said he believed them all, because none of them had more than 1/70th of Crowley's wit and talent!)

Keep in mind also that souls don't stay around forever. Once a soul has learned all the lessons of the material plane, it goes onward to more interesting things. It's precisely the strong-willed and talented souls who are most likely to go on sooner, because strength of will and various talents are among the things life in the material world is meant to teach you.

Re: Reincarnation of historical figures

[(Anonymous)]

Maybe this thread could be the basis for the Wednesday 5th week post
Mark

Re: Reincarnation of historical figures

[ecosophia]

By all means propose it there -- but Yeats is pulling ahead of everything else by a wide margin, so you may have to wait for another 5th Wednesday.

Re: Reincarnation of historical figures

[(Anonymous)]

I dunno, I’ve known several CEO commanding types who had, shall we say, large lacunae in the area of their spiritual development, and I mean of the really bad karma-generating kind. I imagine that some of their subsequent karma-expiating incarnations might include a few rank-busting, colorless ones, if only to teach them some humility and empathy for others.

Re: Reincarnation of historical figures

[ecosophia]

When you die, you don't lose the basic structure of your personality, so colorless and bland isn't a likely destiny. Instead, they'll become arrogant, ambitious jerks in a situation where that sort of attitude will get the holy bejesus beaten out of them. Humility and empathy are normally learned through the experiences of failure and pain, and there are plenty of those ready for use in the arsenal of karma...

(Since most of the CEO types these days were born into wealthy families and got their status because of advantages they did nothing to earn, I suspect a lot of them will be reborn at the bottom end of the working class, so they can find out in person just how far they can get without Mommy and Daddy helping out at every turn.)

Re: Reincarnation of historical figures

[(Anonymous)]

I was under the impression that the personality in this life is a transient thing that's cast off at death, allowing us to be different in the next life. But you're saying that the next personality will be similar?

Also, does this mean that a bland little person in this life will go on being bland?

Re: Reincarnation of historical figures

[ecosophia]

The personality is dissolved at the end of each incarnation, but the individuality retains a template based on your previous personalities and that's what the next personality builds up around. If you're a bland little person in this life, you're likely to be fairly bland in your next one, too, but if you make an effort to become a little less bland -- or if circumstances force you into it -- your next life may be more interesting. You can always un-bland yourself!

Re: Reincarnation of historical figures

[(Anonymous)]

Hello!

As a rough approximation, how many human lives are required before one can go on to the next stage?

And also, how many earth years may pass before re-incarnating?

Only rough approximations needed. Many thanks!

Re: Reincarnation of historical figures

[(Anonymous)]

Insofar as I know - not set number. It depends on how you progress in the lifetimes you have. You can be here almost forever

and no set time between lives as well - that is based on your karma

Re: Reincarnation of historical figures

[ecosophia]

1) It varies based on just how badly, and how often, you screw up. It could be as few as a few dozen or as many as hundreds.

2) That's varied considerably in the last few millennia. Back when there weren't so many humans incarnate, people routinely spent more time out of incarnation than in it -- that's healthy, as it gives each soul plenty of time to process their experiences and get the most benefit out of them. Nowadays, with eight billion bodies to fill, very few souls spend more than a few years out of incarnation, and they're very often coming back into incarnation with a load of unprocessed experiences and emotions. I suspect that's where a lot of contemporary social issues come from -- for example, I've believed for some time now that quite a lot of people who suffer from gender dysphoria still subconsciously remember what their last body felt like and are having trouble adjusting to the new one.

Re: Reincarnation of historical figures

[(Anonymous)]

"Nowadays, with eight billion bodies to fill, very few souls spend more than a few years out of incarnation, and they're very often coming back into incarnation with a load of unprocessed experiences and emotions. I suspect that's where a lot of contemporary social issues come from -- for example, I've believed for some time now that quite a lot of people who suffer from gender dysphoria still subconsciously remember what their last body felt like and are having trouble adjusting to the new one."

Oh dear gods, something unsettling has occurred to me: gender dysphoria strikes me as a Plutonian issue (the rejection of the realities of one's physical body in favour of insisting it must be something else seems Plutonian; as does the involvement of a host of other Plutonian phenomena like the pharmaceutical companies); which seems to suggest that the root causes are Plutonian.

Add to this that the rate of population increase went up dramatically starting out around 1900 as infant mortality plummeted, and you have a case that the massive population is a result of Pluto's influences, and some of Pluto's effects unfold from it. Which means, that there's a real likelihood that part of the unwinding of the Plutonian influence will be a steep drop in population, down towards something more normal....

Re: Reincarnation of historical figures

[ecosophia]

That's very likely for several other reasons, for that matter.

Re: Reincarnation of historical figures

[(Anonymous)]

What really bothers me about the drop in population being a necessary part of unwinding the Plutonian Current, is that it suggests a lot, possibly even most, of the drop will occur within the next decade and a half....

Re: Reincarnation of historical figures

[(Anonymous)]

Those interested in the reincarnation and gender dysphoria issue might like episode 31 of this podcast:
https://reincarnationplr.com/episodes/page/2/

Anyone interested in reincarnation in general might like the podcast more broadly.

Re: Reincarnation of historical figures

[team10tim]

Someone has previously posted a few reincarnation cases here before. The one that I remember was Mark Twain to Kurt Vonnegut. Google found this for me:

https://www.reincarnationresearch.com/reincarnation-case-of-mark-twain-kurt-vonnegut/

Re: Reincarnation of historical figures

[ecosophia]

That's rather plausible.

One of the best cases I'm familiar with is Gen. George Patton. He recalled many lives as a soldier, and used his past life experience on campaign in North Africa in Roman times to guide his tactics in the North Africa campaign in the Second World War. Here's a poem he wrote about his memories:

Through a Glass Darkly
by Gen. George S. Patton, Jr.

Through the travail of the ages,
Midst the pomp and toil of war,
Have I fought and strove and perished
Countless times upon this star.

In the form of many people
In all panoplies of time
Have I seen the luring vision
Of the Victory Maid, sublime.

I have battled for fresh mammoth,
I have warred for pastures new,
I have listed to the whispers
When the race trek instinct grew.

I have known the call to battle
In each changeless changing shape
From the high souled voice of conscience
To the beastly lust for rape.

I have sinned and I have suffered,
Played the hero and the knave;
Fought for belly, shame, or country,
And for each have found a grave.

I cannot name my battles
For the visions are not clear,
Yet, I see the twisted faces
And I feel the rending spear.

Perhaps I stabbed our Saviour
In His sacred helpless side.
Yet, I’ve called His name in blessing
When after times I died.

In the dimness of the shadows
Where we hairy heathens warred,
I can taste in thought the lifeblood;
We used teeth before the sword.

While in later clearer vision
I can sense the coppery sweat,
Feel the pikes grow wet and slippery
When our Phalanx, Cyrus met.

Hear the rattle of the harness
Where the Persian darts bounced clear,
See their chariots wheel in panic
From the Hoplite’s leveled spear.

See the goal grow monthly longer,
Reaching for the walls of Tyre.
Hear the crash of tons of granite,
Smell the quenchless eastern fire.

Still more clearly as a Roman,
Can I see the Legion close,
As our third rank moved in forward
And the short sword found our foes.

Once again I feel the anguish
Of that blistering treeless plain
When the Parthian showered death bolts,
And our discipline was in vain.

I remember all the suffering
Of those arrows in my neck.
Yet, I stabbed a grinning savage
As I died upon my back.

Once again I smell the heat sparks
When my Flemish plate gave way
And the lance ripped through my entrails
As on Crecy’s field I lay.

In the windless, blinding stillness
Of the glittering tropic sea
I can see the bubbles rising
Where we set the captives free.

Midst the spume of half a tempest
I have heard the bulwarks go
When the crashing, point blank round shot
Sent destruction to our foe.

I have fought with gun and cutlass
On the red and slippery deck
With all Hell aflame within me
And a rope around my neck.

And still later as a General
Have I galloped with Murat
When we laughed at death and numbers
Trusting in the Emperor’s Star.

Till at last our star faded,
And we shouted to our doom
Where the sunken road of Ohein
Closed us in it’s quivering gloom.

So but now with Tanks a’clatter
Have I waddled on the foe
Belching death at twenty paces,
By the star shell’s ghastly glow.

So as through a glass, and darkly
The age long strife I see
Where I fought in many guises,
Many names, but always me.

And I see not in my blindness
What the objects were I wrought,
But as God rules o’er our bickerings
It was through His will I fought.

So forever in the future,
Shall I battle as of yore,
Dying to be born a fighter,
But to die again, once more.

Re: Reincarnation of historical figures

[athaia]

If this isn't just poetic license, but real memories back to Neanderthal times, then he didn't really seem to have made any progress towards gwynfydd...? Just an eternal repetition of the same kind of life. Seems like hell to me.

Re: Reincarnation of historical figures

[ecosophia]

The fact that he remembered so many of his past lives in this most recent incarnation suggests to me that in fact he was very close to the end of his material incarnations. There are many paths to Gwynfydd, and the way of the warrior can be one of them.

Re: Reincarnation of historical figures

[ritaer]

I recall reading somewhere that Julius Ceasar was convinced that he was the reincarnation of Achilles; Napolean believed he had been Julius Ceasar and Hitler gazed long and thoughtfully at Napoleon's tomb, though I don't recall whether he ever said or wrote that he was Napoleon reborn.

I remember meeting a member of the Bay Area occult community who claimed to have been burned as a witch 600 years earlier. I personally thought it was time she got over it.

And 70 is low count for new Crowley's. Someone once made a mock announcement of a meeting for reincarnations of Crowley--to be held in Kezar Stadium (football field).


Rita

Re: Reincarnation of historical figures

[robertmathiesen]

Thank you so much for this. I had never seen this poem of Patton's. It is most impressive, and its very power strengthens his claim to remember past lives.

Re: Reincarnation of historical figures

[ecosophia]

You're most welcome. It reminds me quite a bit of some of Robert E. Howard's poetry, and of course Howard also had a strong sense of having lived before and put that into his verse.

Re: Reincarnation of historical figures

[(Anonymous)]

It’s a very good poem. Those little details, like the sparks flying from the pierced armor, lend it a striking realism.

—Princess Cutekitten

Re: Reincarnation of historical figures

[(Anonymous)]

Something I find so fascinating is just how much effort has gone into hiding Patton's belief in reincarnation. I've read book length biographies on the man that don't even mention it at all...

Re: Reincarnation of historical figures

[ecosophia]

During the second half of the 20th century a huge amount of effort went into pretending that the thriving occult scene of the first half of the same century never existed. Patton was one of many people whose unacceptable ideas were erased from the record.