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meme 2As we move further into the second year of these open posts, it's pretty clear that the official narrative is cracking as the toll of deaths and injuries from the Covid vaccines rises steadily and the vaccines themselves demonstrate their total uselesness at preventing Covid infection or transmission. It's still important to keep watch over the mis-, mal- and nonfeasance of our self-proclaimed health gruppenfuehrers, and the disastrous results of the Covid mania, but I think it's also time to begin thinking about what might be possible as the existing medical industry reels under the impact of its own self-inflicted injuries. 

So it's time for another open post. The rules are the same as before: 

1. If you plan on parroting the party line of the medical industry and its paid shills, please go away. This is a place for people to talk openly, honestly, and freely about their concerns that the party line in question is dangerously flawed and that actions being pushed by the medical industry et al. are causing injury and death. It is not a place for you to dismiss those concerns. Anyone who wants to hear the official story and the arguments in favor of it can find those on hundreds of thousands of websites.

2. If you plan on insisting that the current situation is the result of a deliberate plot by some villainous group of people or other, please go away. There are tens of thousands of websites currently rehashing various conspiracy theories about the Covid-19 outbreak and the vaccines. This is not one of them. What we're exploring is the likelihood that what's going on is the product of the same arrogance, incompetence, and corruption that the medical industry and its tame politicians have displayed so abundantly in recent decades. That possibility deserves a space of its own for discussion, and that's what we're doing here. 
 
3. If you plan on using rent-a-troll derailing or disruption tactics, please go away. I'm quite familiar with the standard tactics used by troll farms to disrupt online forums, and am ready, willing, and able -- and in fact quite eager -- to ban people permanently for engaging in them here. Oh, and I also lurk on other Covid-19 vaccine skeptic blogs, so I'm likely to notice when the same posts are showing up on more than one venue. 

4. If you don't believe in treating people with common courtesy, please go away. I have, and enforce, a strict courtesy policy on my blogs and online forums, and this is no exception. The sort of schoolyard bullying that takes place on so many other internet forums will get you deleted and banned here. No, I don't care if you disagree with that: my journal, my rules. 

With that said, the floor is open for discussion.  

Re: Yep yep yep, it sucks

Date: 2022-08-18 03:45 pm (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
it's me, erika, who was excited by the idea of an unvaxxed group. i don't CARE if vaxxed come in. in fact, my entire modus operandi is not to exclude and even if something good ever got going economically and artistically, i wouldn't fear "FBI" or narcs because if you're PRETTY ENOUGH the fun one, it's more likely they'll run away to live with "the indians" and at least defend you.

i've had such things happen on the low by accident and just being myself. i'm clean when i'm honest even and especially about MY evils.

but here in SF, man... a non-vax support group? WOW... i'd be more worried about being assassinated over myself being "too exclusive."

i'm the niggra here and have always been wherever i go whatever age i've been.

worrying about being "exclusive" and not inviting EVERYONE in is not my problem as it's more likely to keep the slaves from plotting and being illegal for 2 or more to meet up.

this stuff cuts back on ourselves when we wanna be TOO NICE.

nah. over it. after my visit to the hospital i realize this ain't ending ANY TIME soon, and in fact is a full on THING now. the hate the masks the bitterness the misery.

maybe NEXT spring i'll be ready to start something LOCAL. i actually think "unvax" meetings are INCLUSIVE. it's like al-anon... anyone can come but we're taking care of the OUTSIDERS' pain and need for connection.

in fact, i'd LOVE it if vaxxed came to learn and listen and talk with us not AT us.

but it's hella LONELY and i'm worried it's all far from over because the hate rage and fear is still white hot even if temporarily silenced a bit.

but they're about to lose MORE of their stuff because of the ratchet down, but they're not gonna like it and they'll lash out as they still very much are.

so yeah... i hear you and thank you for the Baldwin warning not to re-niggrify anyone else. i think we're FAR from that concern at this point.

many of us are well-worn niggras and know the game and pitfalls.
gotta go!

breakfast time!

x

erika

Re: Yep yep yep, it sucks

Date: 2022-08-18 05:31 pm (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
P.S. although if i were to start a group, i don't think i'd call it "unvaxxed" only from this point on. there needs either an asterisk with a LIST or some new term for "THOSE NOT INTO THE NEXT 'THING'."

erika the unsure about anything anymore

Re: Yep yep yep, it sucks

Date: 2022-08-18 06:07 pm (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
About this ending soon, yeah, I agree. My worry is we are in that liminal moment where one of two things can happen. First, we can collectively dump all this cr@p overboard. Or, second, and more likely, we can just sort of stumble along and allow the new developments to calcify out of laziness and momentum. That's what seems to usually happen. Odds are that is the result. BUT! This moment has some electricity to it. There are things happening, gears turning, sleeping giants shifting in the liminality. I'm pretty cynical most times, but I have hope we can shake this off. Something is in the air.

Have you guys had any topics rolling around for the next podcast? Asking for a friend :)

Murmuration

Re: Yep yep yep, it sucks

Date: 2022-08-18 09:09 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] methylethyl
"Something is in the air"

I'm with the Coffee & Covid guy on this one. He thinks it is not a coincidence that the CDC is doing some "reorganizing" and other alphabet agencies look as though they are being prepped to take over the CDC's job in the near future. AND, perhaps not coincidentally, the CDC has failed to release its usual mortality & Morbidity stats the last two months-- those are usually a weekly thing. Because they're (something databases tech blah blah blah).

https://www.coffeeandcovid.com/p/-coffee-and-covid-thursday-august-cf4

Anyway, he thinks those two things may be related: they are anticipating a fairly devastating congressional-hearings-level of public outrage when the withheld data goes public. And they are prepping their exit strategy. He also posts a must-see chart for cancer deaths, which seems like it could be relevant to the situation.

Re: Yep yep yep, it sucks

Date: 2022-08-19 12:24 am (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
I think he is right, and man, those in the agencies must be sweating their *inappropriate body words* off. They'll have to book a seat to Mars on the next Starship launch though, to get far enough away from what's awaiting them. Unless this "reorganizing" successfully hides or deletes the offending data. Cue my best Urkel impression. "Did I do thaaat?!"

I don't think it was a coincidence that the data about 2.3 trillion dollars of missing military money went up in smoke on 911. My guess is, that's what cyberpolygon (should it happen) is REALLY about. I would not be shocked AT ALL if, at some point between now and november, some servers across the planet were "hacked" in a very dramatic fashion (with appropriately theatrical collateral damage to social media and news sites), blamed on North Korea or Russia, and the relevant data for the impending hearings was a casualty. If the banks got hit too, that wouldn't be awful for the Great Reseters machinations now would it? Pass the tinfoil please. :D

Murmuration

Re: Yep yep yep, it sucks

Date: 2022-08-19 03:49 am (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
I can't help but note that my intuition suddenly started telling me to get all my money out of banks and into cash a couple days ago...

Re: Yep yep yep, it sucks

Date: 2022-08-19 01:13 am (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
Ok, so I read it now. Two thoughts...

1) That cancer chart! People here REALLY should click through just to see that chart, even if you don't read the article. It's nutty. Vaguely hockey stick shaped. It's not good. Not good at all. The rate of cancer appears to have 4 or 5x'd in the time the vax started. Exactly that time frame too.

2) The ASPR is new to me. I'd never heard of it before. Sounds more like a war department really. Defending against pandemics and plagues. To be on the same level as the CDC and the FDA, and to have made nary a ripple in the media landscape...that's weird.

I will note that it's to be 'stood up' by 2024, which coincidentally is the exact same time frame as the WEF's new, constitution overriding, global pandemic treaty. I wonder if this department is being arranged in a manner to allow that new treaty to hook in nice and smooth. Maybe the CDC and FDA don't have the right hooks in place, or are full of crust and barnacles that would slow this down?

Murmuration

Re: Yep yep yep, it sucks

Date: 2022-08-19 09:03 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] scotlyn
I have heard people speak of turbo-cancer, or blitzkrieg cancer, and we are pretty sure this is what happened to my brother in law. He was triple foxed by last July (we found all the fox passports in his effects after he died). By last November he had been in and out of hospital with mysterious (ie - we don't know what's causing this) chest pain and cough. He had been sent home and a letter came out scheduling him for a bronchoscopy the following week. My husband called down to see him and could not believe how deteriorated and grey he looked. The brother-in-law said "I'm not going to make that appointment next week". My husband rang an ambulance, and when he left his house, he never came back to it. He was in hospital from November to April when he died. He was diagnosed with small cell lung cancer in December, and by early March was so sore, sick and disheartened he refused all further treatment and was moved to hospice for the past two to three weeks he had left.

The thing is my husband's family has a history of cancer, so it is not a straightforward slam dunk. My husband is the oldest of three, and their mother died of cancer a month or two after delivering the third. That youngest brother (who was carried by her while she was already sick) died of cancer himself at 42, the middle brother (whose story I've told above) died of cancer at 63, and my husband, the oldest, is, thankfully still healthy, and much loved, also unfoxed, and undoctored, though prone to be chesty.

Re: Yep yep yep, it sucks

Date: 2022-08-19 02:08 am (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
I'm wondering if they can keep whatever they have quiet until after the midterms, or if this will end up coming out before then. Either way promises to be interesting, but if it's before the midterms, I think the Republicans are more or less certain to win big time, which has its own implications....

Re: Yep yep yep, it sucks

Date: 2022-08-19 02:50 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] methylethyl
Well, Childers seems to think it'll out sooner rather than later, on account of the massive scurrying-about going on at the CDC. Which also coincides exactly with their dropping mandate recommendations.

Re: Yep yep yep, it sucks

Date: 2022-08-19 04:51 pm (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
Well, I'm thinking the same, but I'm not sure when "sooner" means in this case. They just have to hide it three months to get past the midterms. Can they do it? I really don't know. It seems like a massive secret to cover up for three months, but given how everything has played out so far, I can't rule it out.

Re: Yep yep yep, it sucks

Date: 2022-08-20 02:27 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] methylethyl
Like all this stuff... we'll know eventually. Wish I knew how long "eventually" is gonna take.

Re: Yep yep yep, it sucks

Date: 2022-08-20 04:09 am (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
I wish I knew too. The date that matters right now though is November 8th. If the bombshell drops after, then it won't affect the midterms; before that, it will. My guess is that everyone in the CDC is trying to keep it hidden until November 9th, because they would rather not deal with the mess that would ensue if it came out before the midterms.

Will they succeed? I really don't know.

Re: Yep yep yep, it sucks

Date: 2022-08-19 01:53 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] methylethyl
Naked Emperor seems to have a preview of some of that, looking at UK excess mortality stats, and also ambulance call-out numbers:

https://nakedemperor.substack.com/p/massive-increases-in-excess-deaths

TL:DR UK excess deaths are up 14.5% over the five-year average, and has been rising since mid-April. Ambulance call-outs for life-threatening things (there's a separate category for this?) have been rising in tandem, for the same time period. No sign of either of those things slowing.



Re: Yep yep yep, it sucks

Date: 2022-08-19 02:06 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] methylethyl
What I'm seeing there, with the UK excess mortality charts, the UK ambulance call-out graph, and the US cancer deaths graph, is a bunch of alarming trend-lines that *haven't peaked yet*.

Re: Yep yep yep, it sucks

Date: 2022-08-19 04:56 pm (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
The really scary part about all of this is that it's summer, when usually excess deaths are lower in the UK. In fact, based on normal trends they should be declining, and should have been since March, but here we see the opposite. So, what happens when the increase in deaths from winter hits this mess? I think the case can be made that this winter will be quite a nasty one, just with what we already know...

Re: Yep yep yep, it sucks

Date: 2022-08-19 03:40 pm (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
So I’m not crazy! (Says the guy monitoring ambulance sirens in the neighborhood the past year).

Re: Yep yep yep, it sucks

Date: 2022-08-19 02:57 pm (UTC)
From: [personal profile] team10tim
Does anyone have a source for this graph?

https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fbucketeer-e05bbc84-baa3-437e-9518-adb32be77984.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F9455c726-ba88-449b-ba83-fb5acb8af6a5_720x349.png

It is on coffee and covid andethicalskeptic's twitter, but I can't find it on ES's substack.

Does anyone know where the data came from or what exactly it is depicting?

Re: Yep yep yep, it sucks

Date: 2022-08-20 02:31 am (UTC)
methylethyl: (Default)
From: [personal profile] methylethyl
I assumed from context it was the CDC's US cancer deaths numbers. I could be wrong.

Re: Yep yep yep, it sucks

Date: 2022-08-21 01:13 pm (UTC)
From: [personal profile] team10tim
It is CDC mortality data, but Ethical Skeptic hadn't posted the source yet.

Here is the post with links to the source data:

https://theethicalskeptic.substack.com/p/houston-we-have-a-problem-part-1?utm_source=%2Fprofile%2F59599194-ethical-skeptic-&utm_medium=reader2

Re: Yep yep yep, it sucks

Date: 2022-08-18 09:38 pm (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
First, we can collectively dump all this cr@p overboard. Or, second, and more likely, we can just sort of stumble along and allow the new developments to calcify out of laziness and momentum.

dear much-Beloved Brother Murmuration!-
i love hearing back from you personally.
regarding this above, i think it's gonna be an odd mixture of BOTH, depending on where one lives.
YOU cheer me up and i know from history that it doesn't take much to upset lethargy, indifference, thanatos!

BECAUSE YOUR RESPONSE CHEERS ME UP IMMENSELY.

also because you asked about the podcast and James and i got in a big fight about it this morning and maybe... maybe if he sees what you just wrote he'll cave. but he no longer believes in People and i kinda don't CARE about people but more about the ...

what's the word? well it's my way of showing up as myself messy unedited without holding my stomach in so that everyone and anyone knows where i am and when it's time to get together as that IS THE GOAL.

somehow some way... yo no se... but it's gotta happen or i'm all talk and B.S.

but YOU give me the good kind of proverbial "shot in the arm" and i thank you for that because when you've got just at least ONE friend to go outside and play with, magic happens.

gotta go- James needs his computer back.

QUESTION: IF I COULD GET JAMES TO DO ANOTHER PODCAST, WHAT DO YOU WANT US TO TALK ABOUT???

we're talking and arguing a whooooole lot but he thinks our last one was horrid and he wants to keep 'em short, like an hour.

fair enough.

SO TELL ME! what do YOU want and screw asking for this Friend... what do YOU want, my dear Murmuration? and because it is YOU, specifically YOU, i will endeavour to give you everything you ask for and MORE because you know how to love LEOS.

you tell me the best things you like about ME, so i'd love the chance to trip over my shoe laces to please you!

tell me!

and i promise i will make it so even if it's only ME.

i promise.

gotta give up this computer. James is back!

xxxxxx

erika
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