Magic Monday
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It's getting on for midnight, so we can proceed with a new Magic Monday. Ask me anything about occultism and I'll do my best to answer it. With certain exceptions, any question received by midnight Monday Eastern time will get an answer. Please note: Any question received after then will not get an answer, and in fact will just be deleted. I've been getting an increasing number of people trying to post after these are closed, so will have to draw a harder line than before.) If you're in a hurry, or suspect you may be the 143,916th person to ask a question, please check out the very rough version 1.0 of The Magic Monday FAQ here. Also: I will not be putting through or answering any more questions about practicing magic around children. I've answered those in simple declarative sentences in the FAQ. If you read the FAQ and don't think your question has been answered, read it again. If that doesn't help, consider remedial reading classes; yes, it really is as simple and straightforward as the FAQ says. The image? That's the thirtieth card in The Sacred Geometry Oracle. Card 31, the Sphere, when upright tells you that the possibilities before you are much bigger than you realize; when reversed, it tells you that you're completely missing what's going on. The sun in the upper left corner of the image tells you that this card belongs to the final third of the oracle, which corresponds to Nwyfre, the principle of spirit and meaning. We've completed our passage through the first two of the basic root functions of sacred geometry -- √3, the principle of the vesica piscis and the equilateral triangle, and √2, the principle of the square and its diagonal -- and now we're working with the √5, the seed from which the Golden Section unfolds and resolves all back into unity.
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Breathing the Gods
Date: 2022-07-18 03:51 am (UTC)I know that in breathing the Cantrefs in the DA that it includes the associated god, but is there a technique like color breathing in which one can breathe all the gods at once/their influence?
At the end of the SOP, sometimes I've felt blobs on my hands that you told me is the beginning of etheric sensitivity, but sometimes I feel something else there that might be the gods or another nebulous sensation. I've been breathing that for as long as I can stand up and then lying down (feet flat on the ground) and breathing it some more, then standing again and closing with the Circulation of Light.
My guess is that this is safe and I can do it for as long as I want, is that correct? Or should I limit it to not stress my subtle bodies or anything? Thank you.
Re: Breathing the Gods
Date: 2022-07-18 04:30 am (UTC)2) Yes, that should be fine. Pay attention to how your physical and subtle bodies feel; if you end up feeling strained or giddy afterwards, it might be time to back off a little.
Eagle's Mead and Prayer Resources
Date: 2022-07-18 04:02 am (UTC)As always, thanks very much for your time and effort answering questions and facilitating further discussion. It is truly a wonderful resource for those of us who don't know anyone local to talk about these things with.
To Share: I've recommended Eirik Westcoat before, but this time let me recommend his book Eagle's Mead. Like his other book I recommended (Viking Poetry for Heathen Rites), it is largely a collection of poetry written in modern English following the metrical/alliterative rules of Medieval and older Germanic poetry, but rather than a collection of liturgical poems, this book contains poetry that he worked out while following the initiatory path laid out in Nine Doors of Midgard, and so is more explicitly magical as well as personal. Perhaps of interest to folks not as interested in the Germanic Gods, it includes some material related to the Grail myth, an area that Edred Thorsson has done some work to link with the Runes (mostly through some of the later, less-often-seen additions to the Anglo-Saxon Futhorc), and the system that Westcoat follows was laid out mainly by Thorsson.
Question: For JMG, or anyone in the commentariat willing to share, do you have any recommended resources on prayer as a practice, whether polytheist, Christian, or whatever else? I've started looking particularly at the Rosary as an example of a form of contemplative prayer that has been widely used for a good, long time, and I suspect it might be usefully adapted as a source of inspiration for prayers to other deities.
Cheers,
Jeff
Re: Eagle's Mead and Prayer Resources
Date: 2022-07-18 04:20 am (UTC)I found this book had quite a bit of train the mind utility.
Cerridwen: Celtic Goddess of Inspiration by Kristoffer Hughes.
Just started reading it. Might be a good template for your work.
Rhydlyd
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Date: 2022-07-18 04:33 am (UTC)Re: Eagle's Mead and Prayer Resources
Date: 2022-07-18 03:28 pm (UTC)--Sister Crow
--Sister Crow
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Date: 2022-07-18 04:41 am (UTC)I appreciate he’s controversial, but have no problem with that, as the beads are beautiful (I bought wood) and so are the short prayers that correspond to each bead.
It takes me about 15-20 minutes to pray each bead, and I do it every night. At this point, it’s from memory. I’ve found this practice very rewarding.
Best to you,
OtterGirl
Re: Eagle's Mead and Prayer Resources
Date: 2022-07-18 04:56 am (UTC)I'm glad to hear from someone who has gotten good use out of them.
Thanks,
Jeff
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Date: 2022-07-18 11:19 am (UTC)Re: Eagle's Mead and Prayer Resources
Date: 2022-07-18 04:09 pm (UTC)https://www.vice.com/en/article/5gaa73/Bow-To-The-Ordeal-Master
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Date: 2022-07-18 04:56 am (UTC)—Princess Cutekitten
Re: Eagle's Mead and Prayer Resources
Date: 2022-07-18 05:22 am (UTC)With the very little research I've done so far, the following points have struck me:
1) Like the Lord's Prayer, the rosary in English was composed by folks with a good ear for poetics but also for maintaining the spiritual significance of the translation
2) The Rosary has a very solid and deep structure: it begins with two prayers re-affirming the overall religious view of the universe of the church (Apostle's Creed and Our Father/Lord's Prayer), moves into three Hail Marys on the broad Marian themes of Faith, Hope, and Charity, and then proceeds into the mysteries being contemplated in this session, which collectively cover the whole Catholic liturgical calendar, and then closing prayers.
3) The actual length of saying the Hail Marys spaces out how long to spend on each aspect of the mysteries being contemplated. The very fact of getting the prayer to the point where you can recite it while also actively thinking about something else strikes me as likely a pretty powerful technique
4) The very nuanced interplay of repetition and novelty strikes me as very likely spiritually robust (for example, you're saying the same Hail Mary over and over again, but thinking about different aspects of the mysteries, and different mysteries on different days of the week, but you come back to them every week, and so forth)
All of which is to say that I think studying the rosary will do me some good in coming up with prayers to my own Gods, but I'm so new to all of this that I would very much appreciate if anyone can point me to "oh, St. So-and-So did a thorough analysis of the Rosary" or "Such-and-such academic looked at the Rosary and Buddhist bead-prayers and found the common structural elements". If not that, then any experience with what the rosary/other contemplative prayer has done for folks, what has worked for them, and so forth, would be most welcome.
Thanks much!
Jeff
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Date: 2022-07-18 08:31 pm (UTC)—Princess Cutekitten
Re: Eagle's Mead and Prayer Resources
Date: 2022-07-18 05:15 am (UTC)There is a short book,
"The Practice of the Presence of God" which collects some of the discursive meditations of Brother Lawrence, a Christian monk who lived in the 1600's. IMHO, well worth a read, and widely available in print, and free online.
Here's a link for the interested;
https://d2y1pz2y630308.cloudfront.net/15471/documents/2016/10/Brother%20Lawrence-The%20Practice%20of%20the%20Presence%20of%20God.pdf
Smaragdine Discombobulated Mosquito / EG
Re: Eagle's Mead and Prayer Resources
Date: 2022-07-18 07:35 pm (UTC)Re: Eagle's Mead and Prayer Resources
Date: 2022-07-18 10:10 am (UTC)She has also written a guidebook on How to worship gods from a Platonist point of view, including chapters on prayer and ritual, you can check it here: https://kayeofswords.github.io/soulsinnerstatues/
Manuel
Re: Eagle's Mead and Prayer Resources
Date: 2022-07-18 07:36 pm (UTC)Re: Eagle's Mead and Prayer Resources
Date: 2022-07-18 11:04 am (UTC)https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/The_catechism_of_the_Council_of_Trent/Part_4
For the Rosary specifically, I would recommend St Louis de Montfort, The Secret of the Rosary--available in translation online at:
https://www.ecatholic2000.com/montfort/rosary/rosary.shtml
(I've been finding the discussion of Levi to interact with this book somewhat--I probably should not be surprised, as they are both French Catholics, and only a century apart.)
In my personal experience, the Novena to Mary, Undoer of Knots (which is based on the Rosary with some added prayers and meditations) is remarkably effective, and works very well with the planetary hours (think about what the central need is so far as you can tell, and pray the Novena starting in the day and hour of the appropriate planet and each day in that planet's hour.) I'm not sure if that is prayer, or magical ritual--they blur together a bit for me in that case.
SamChevre
Re: Eagle's Mead and Prayer Resources
Date: 2022-07-18 07:38 pm (UTC)Thanks again,
Jeff
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Date: 2022-07-18 03:01 pm (UTC)https://www.patheos.com/blogs/pantheon/2010/05/retooling-the-rosary/
--Sister Crow
Re: Eagle's Mead and Prayer Resources
Date: 2022-07-18 07:40 pm (UTC)Cheers,
Jeff
Re: Eagle's Mead and Prayer Resources
Date: 2022-07-18 03:38 pm (UTC)This actually has me thinking of a potential project: to put up a website that explains these practices in a positive and informative manner, and uses an assortment of keywords to bump these articles up in the search results. Articles would also contain links to helpful books and other resources on these topics. It seems like there's a lot of very beneficial practices from the old sacramental churches that have been almost left for dead and can be very easily reclaimed and repurposed myriad spiritual persuasions.
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Date: 2022-07-18 05:54 pm (UTC)Re: Eagle's Mead and Prayer Resources
Date: 2022-07-18 07:28 pm (UTC)For the very basics, suitable to Old English/Anglo-Saxon poetry (there was much more variety recorded in Old Norse poetry than in Old English):
1) Each line is divided into two "half lines" with a caesura between them. Some authors render this as two separate lines, others with a large space at the caesura, and some with no visual indication at all. In speech in modern English, it usually works best as just barely a pause. These pairs of half-lines are the basic unit that the rules apply to.
2) Each half line must have two fully stressed syllables, but can include more unstressed syllables (minimum four syllables total)
3) The first stressed syllable of the second half line must alliterate with the first, second, or both stressed syllables of the first half-line in the pair
4) The second stressed syllable of the second half-line of the pair must not alliterate with the first stressed syllable in the second half-line, but may optionally alliterate with one of the stressed syllables in the first half-line
5) All vowels alliterate with each other
6) Consonant clusters that are spoken as one sound (like "sk", "sp", "th" and so forth) alliterate with themselves, not with the first letter (for example "skill" and "sketch" would alliterate, but "skill" would not alliterate with "sound")
Here's what looks like a pretty decent discussion with plenty of footnotes if you want to explore further: https://people.uleth.ca/~daniel.odonnell/Tutorials/old-english-metre-a-brief-guide
If you're looking for some good examples, besides Westcoat's works (which also include some other Old Norse-inspired meters that have more complex rules, but with a core of "stress and alliteration"), Tolkien has some good stuff: his translation of Beowulf is mostly rendered in prose, but the book contains some poems composed in the style. His Legend of Sigurd and Gudrun is also entirely written in the very similar Norse meter called fornidhslag.
Lastly, not on the subject of meter, but if you are interested in constraining yourself to Germanic-derived words in Modern English, Plain English by Bryan Evans is a wonderful resource, as is the Anglish Moot wiki (https://anglish.fandom.com/wiki/Main_leaf). Certainly not a requirement, but I find it a fun creative constraint, and I enjoy the sound of Old Englishy words.
On the other hand, if you're looking to compose in Old English rather than modern English, Wordcraft by Stephen Pollington is rather helpful. It's mostly a brief dictionary, but it also includes thematic groupings of words, for example words that have to do with "starting" something or words that have to do with "thinking", so it also functions a bit like a thesaurus. Also, not on poetry specifically, but Pollington is my favorite writer on Anglo-Saxon history and religion, and I unreservedly recommend as many of his books as you can get a hold of.
Cheers,
Jeff
Re: Eagle's Mead and Prayer Resources
Date: 2022-07-18 07:52 pm (UTC)Re: Eagle's Mead and Prayer Resources
Date: 2022-07-18 10:31 pm (UTC)Alternatively, this site on contemporary alliterative poetry includes section on Old English and Norse technique: http://alliteration.net/index.htm
For what I can remember, and simplifying things, the basics are as follow:
Forget about rhyme and think of alliteration instead. Your basic line has got two parts, each part has got strong (stressed) and weak (unstressed) syllables.
You only alliterate the strong syllables, and you must alliterate the first strong in the second part with the strongest of the first part. You can also extend the alliteration to the second strong syllable in the first part, but you must not alliterate the last strong syllable in the second part. Example from Tolkien:
"they BORE aBOARD, / in her BOSOM piling" (alliterates 1a, 1b and 2a)
"TIME passed away / on the TIDE floated" (alliterates 1a and 2a)
Have fun!
Manuel
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Date: 2022-07-18 04:33 am (UTC)Mind after material
Date: 2022-07-18 11:59 pm (UTC)A Buddhist told me once he thought after humans die they go through a kind of heavy hallucination until they find their next body. I don't entirely believe this, though I find it helpful to explain what it might be your mind is up against after the body dies. Is this way of thinking about the function of the mental sheath roughly correct?
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Date: 2022-07-18 04:07 am (UTC)My view here in Flyover Country is rather like the folktale about generations of farmers carrying away a pebble every day from the base of the warlord’s mountain until the mountain was no more. The people are quite self-aware, and the heat of their smoldering anger is directed into action by a racial memory of cockeyed optimism.
Given all that, does the date of the first broadcast of the Rush Limbaugh Show at noon on 1 August 1988 from ABC Radio in New York City make a reasonable birthday for the modern conservative movement?
I don’t know much about astrology, so a few words about how the date does or does not connect to or fit the events and trends mentioned would be very helpful.
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Date: 2022-07-18 04:43 am (UTC)It's quite an intriguing chart. Saturn and Uranus are dead conjunct, meaning that it's at once conservative and revolutionary; Sun and Mercury are conjunct in Leo in the 10th, very favorable for a movement that seeks political power. I may just want to do a full delineation of this and publish it as an open post on my Patreon and SubscribeStar platforms, so thank you for this!
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Date: 2022-07-18 05:26 am (UTC)Thank you for helping me make sense of my view from inside the eye of this hurricane.
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Date: 2022-07-18 08:33 pm (UTC)—Princess Cutekitten
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Date: 2022-07-18 12:46 pm (UTC)I've thought for awhile that that Saturn Uranus conjunction has played a rather large part in in the development of the alright/dissident right. I believe 1988 was the peak in births for millennials, or there about, so that might be a more mundane explanation for what I've noticed. Even so, my general impression has been that an unusual number of the right wing anons that have attracted a wide following online seem to be nearly exactly my age (I was born in January 1988)
It's hard to tell considering how careful everyone is to avoid doxxing, but hints here and there in various comments over the years by a lot of different 'sh*tposters' have led me to thinking there's a trend.
-Jason P
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Date: 2022-07-18 09:46 pm (UTC)I haven't necessarily noticed that as such in my everyday life, but the Saturn-Uranus conjunction is within 5 degrees of exact from November 1987 to January 1989, and with that coinciding with a mini-baby boom, that could make sense. It also occurs to me that of all the people I knew in my class in high school (people I knew... not just friends), I know conclusively of only one who is gay, and I don't know any who are trans. Many of my classmates are straight-married, and the wives among those were pretty much fine taking the husband's last name. Granted, this could simply have been the circles I hung out with and/or the fact that it was the mid-00's in a conservative part of the country... but still, if 10% of millennials identify as LGBTQ+, where were they in my graduating class?
Looking at the Saturn-Uranus conjunction history: Last one was at the end of Taurus in 1942, just before the Baby Boom. Its cohort would have been the high school classes of 1959-61. Before that, 1897 in Scorpio. If there's something to this, I'd imagine we should also look at these time periods.
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Date: 2022-07-18 08:24 pm (UTC)Scarlet Odiferous Alligator
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Date: 2022-07-18 11:24 pm (UTC)Jon
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Date: 2022-07-18 04:15 am (UTC)I thank JMG, temporaryreality, Princess Cutekitten, and thinking_turtle for energy sent on my behalf!
As it turned out, I was able to do the SOP in front of two large Windows facing south. My side of the room had privacy screens that kept prying eyes out. My husband told me he could feel the SOP at our home. I had a clear picture in my mind of our place when doing the ritual and realized I had been building that picture for several months. I was able to see both the room and our land at the same time which is cool:-)
I had lots and lots of tests with major outcome learning my heart is weaker than it should be . I'll be going into rehab for a couple of weeks to build up my strength and then back home. I may need your imagination instructions, JMG, in rehab.
Thanks you JMG and this forum for a place to learn and develop my inner world. Blessings to you all.
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Date: 2022-07-18 04:32 am (UTC)Cheers,
Jeff
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Date: 2022-07-19 12:42 am (UTC)Talisman Side Effects
Date: 2022-07-18 04:17 am (UTC)In my case, I am thinking of making a talisman to bring customers to my business. Mercury would be the natural choice for that. However, my natal Mercury is afflicted, and divination suggests that the talisman would bring some difficulty with communication and relationships.
I figure that my options include:
1) Think about a different planet to help some other aspect of my business.
2) Get customers the old fashioned way (without magic).
3) Make the Mercury talisman and accept the consequences (it might be the impetus I need to finally deal with my communication issues).
4) Or, I guess the fourth option that I am hoping for is that you will tell me that it's not usually a big deal so I can have my cake and eat it, too.
Thanks, as always, for providing this service.
Re: Talisman Side Effects
Date: 2022-07-18 04:48 am (UTC)Re: Talisman Side Effects
Date: 2022-07-18 04:53 am (UTC)I hadn't thought of that.
Thank you. I see that I wasn't over-thinking it after all.
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Date: 2022-07-19 09:31 pm (UTC)Axé and all blessings in your endeavors...
A few Qs
Date: 2022-07-18 05:07 am (UTC)Thanks once again for hosting and generously answering all of these questions.
1. Is it possible for a person to progress along their path, eventually passing beyond human incarnation, without deliberately pursuing spiritual practice? In other words, is every atheist stalling at best, and going the wrong direction at worst, or can atheism be a necessary spiritual step somehow?
2. I recently read you mention that if someone monetizes some teaching they got for free on your blog, you should be paid for that. I’ve taught monetized classes where I shared things you’ve posted for free on your blogs. I figured that taking bits and pieces of things I’ve learned, whether for free or that I paid for, and sharing a mix of that combined with my own experience (monetized), is basically what every teacher and book I’ve learned from has also done, and thus, is normal and ok to do. But if the occult has taught me anything, it’s to be open to being wrong and owning up to it. What are your thoughts?
3. I noticed you mentioned on your other blog that John Gilbert had dealings with - and steered his students away from - 22 Teachings. Do you know what happened between he and them to leave such a bad taste or why he would ultimately decide to dissuade students from them?
4. I know you respect Duquette but what do you make of his belief that Goetic spirits are only portions of the human brain (parroting Crowley) rather than objective, independent beings? My experience with working magic is that I started from the former and experience led me to the latter, which is also your position, if I’m not mistaken. Is it the case that he’s simply wrong about this aspect of magic but he has other useful teachings to offer? To me, getting something that wrong makes me question everything coming from the source.
Thanks again,
Mauve Atomic Lorax
Re: A few Qs
Date: 2022-07-18 05:13 am (UTC)2) Nah, what I say is that if you publish something based on my work you should put something in my tip jar as fair payment. Teaching classes is another matter. I'd appreciate it if you give me credit for the material in the classes, but that's all I ask.
3) He never mentioned the details to me, but whatever it was, it left a very negative impression on him.
4) I respect Lon as a person and as a practical occultist -- I've done Golden Dawn initiations with him, and the man's good -- but some of his ideas strike me as cockeyed at best. This is one of them. I recommend reading his works and then making up your own mind -- but of course I recommend that you do that with my works, too, and with everyone else's.
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Date: 2022-07-18 05:33 am (UTC)Re: A few Qs
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Date: 2022-07-18 05:56 am (UTC)I assume I can conjure intelligences and spirits of the planetary spheres using the Hexagram rituals in this context, yes? Would it be better to do one when the respective planet is in domicile, on angle, in hour, etc?
I am also proficient in traditional astrological magic, and one of the things I like about doing both that and GD work is that one is working with external forces, and the other with imagination and will, though both with both too... but in what case is it better to do GD style astrological magic vs traditional(Picatrix, Agrippa, etc)?
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Date: 2022-07-18 06:41 pm (UTC)2) Yes, exactly. I recommend doing this during planetary day and hour -- that seems to work quite well.
3) That's an intricate question I haven't solved to my own satisfaction. I've done plenty of talismans of both kinds and gotten good results with both, so it may be that they're equally good and it simply depends on which approach you prefer.
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Date: 2022-07-18 06:59 pm (UTC)In regards to 3, have you ever combined them? Like doing the traditional astrological talismans in an opened temple with planetary hexagrams? Most of the elections I've found have too short of a window to do this, but wondering if its worth experimenting with when there are longer election windows.
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Date: 2022-07-18 09:45 pm (UTC)Nine day numerological cycle
Date: 2022-07-18 05:57 am (UTC)Nebulous_Realms made mention of your explanation of a nine day numerological cycle which makes for a nine day week -- can you or any of the readership link to that post or essay? It sounds intriguing.
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Date: 2022-07-18 04:06 pm (UTC)https://ecosophia.dreamwidth.org/tag/numerology
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Date: 2022-07-19 02:40 pm (UTC)https://ecosophia.dreamwidth.org/174684.html?thread=28018780#cmt28018780
-- Amaranth Bulbous Crow
A woman's voice
Date: 2022-07-18 06:00 am (UTC)Things are getting fairly weird and tense on my tiny island. I have lived here for 12 years and it has always been bitterly divided about something. Now, I seem to be one of the targets for the bitter feelings. I write a weekly column for our local magazine and the oddest thing is that I wrote a couple of articles against Medically Assisted Death, MAID.
MAID started out as only for terminally ill people and I agree with that. However, it has been extended to everyone but the mentally ill and children who the feds call, "mature minors," and hope to extend MAID benefits to them too. Next year, the government is going to offer it to mentally ill people. At the moment, MAID is being given out to disabled people because they are too poor on their government disability pensions to live so they are helped to die rather than given a livable pension. People flipped out over that and said what I wrote was hate speech.
One old friend even asked me what my article was about. I explained and she said, "They are too poor to live. So what?" My friend is 94 and wishes to die as she is going blind but I was stunned by her lack of empathy and by the hostility of the community in general.
The last couple of afternoons, I have been woken from my nap by a woman's voice, very shrill and angry talking to me about a court case and something else unpleasant this afternoon. Is this an egregor? The embodiment of the vicious feelings in the village? Some sort of activist ghost? It doesn't happen at night, I guess due to the SOP I do. Would you recommend an additional SOP before my nap?
What do you make of the public support for killing poor and inconvenient Canadians?
Maxine
Re: A woman's voice
Date: 2022-07-18 06:46 pm (UTC)You might definitely consider a second SoP, or protective amulets of the sort we've discussed before. You're pointing out to these people that they've become the Nazis they think they hate, and so you may come in for quite a bit of hostility.
Re: A woman's voice
Date: 2022-07-18 11:39 pm (UTC)https://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/background-and-overview-of-the-nazi-euthanasia-t-4-program
Re: A woman's voice
Date: 2022-07-18 11:52 pm (UTC)Maxine
Re: A woman's voice
Date: 2022-07-19 12:16 am (UTC)That they would push to increase the number of Canadian's eligible for it without even considering the possibility of increasing the minimum disability payments to me felt like pure, unfiltered evil showing itself. Unbelievable.
~ Rose
Re: A woman's voice
Date: 2022-07-19 02:35 am (UTC)I thank the Gods for your comment. Now I know I am not alone here! No Doctor or priest on my two little islands has spoken against the expansion of MAID and few people seem to have heard about it. The ones who have heard about it don't seem to care. They seem very like the Good Germans.
On the other hand, Trudeau's popularity is quite low now. If we can get him out of office, MAID might be turned back and disability payments increased. I have read articles from disabled Canadians who applied for MAID to see if they could get any better services. No! They can die or lump it.
Maxine
Umbrella superstition
Date: 2022-07-18 06:04 am (UTC)Out of curiosizy: Would you, or the commentariat know anything about this? I never encountered this before, the person originally is from east-Germany.
Thank y'all!
Emily07
Re: Umbrella superstition
Date: 2022-07-18 04:17 pm (UTC)I am of mostly British stock here in Canada and as children, we were taught that opening an umbrella in the house was bad luck. My mother thought it was because of the likelihood f poking someone in the eye.
Maxine
Re: Umbrella superstition
Date: 2022-07-18 04:29 pm (UTC)Hopefully someone else has a more insightful answer!
Cheers,
Jeff
Re: Umbrella superstition
Date: 2022-07-18 07:00 pm (UTC)Today I (half british halfecuadorian) told my egyptian partner to stop opening the uumbrella inside the house as it is bad luck (in both my Uk and Southamerican cultural background). He mentioned it is also bad luck in egypt ( I dont know he thought dancing with the umbrella in the room was a good idea haha)
Re: Umbrella superstition
Date: 2022-07-18 04:33 pm (UTC)Re: Umbrella superstition
Date: 2022-07-18 08:28 pm (UTC)Re: Umbrella superstition
Date: 2022-07-18 08:29 pm (UTC)In China umbrellas are ledt open in the hallway to dry off as a routine matter of course. There is no taboo about it in China.
Re: Umbrella superstition
Date: 2022-07-19 04:35 am (UTC)Though... there is something to it when little kids go opening umbrellas inside: stuff gets knocked off the table, people get bumped... and then if allowed to play around with it, the umbrella gets broken.
Perhaps that was started as a way of keeping umbrellas intact!
Microwave antennas and astral body.
Date: 2022-07-18 06:25 am (UTC)Re: Microwave antennas and astral body.
Date: 2022-07-18 04:50 pm (UTC)Heliotrope Lily-livered Parrotfish
Re: Microwave antennas and astral body.
Date: 2022-07-18 06:35 pm (UTC)The strangest thing was that a few days I kept lucid dreaming there first time in 20 years, now looking back I think the erosion on the astral level was on an it went through to some deep level to that part of the astral body I done the astral travel with it back 2 decades ago.
Re: Microwave antennas and astral body.
Date: 2022-07-18 07:20 pm (UTC)Re: Microwave antennas and astral body.
Date: 2022-07-18 06:57 pm (UTC)Re: Microwave antennas and astral body.
Date: 2022-07-18 07:09 pm (UTC)Re: Microwave antennas and astral body.
Date: 2022-07-18 07:50 pm (UTC)Re: Microwave antennas and astral body.
Date: 2022-07-18 07:12 pm (UTC)Re: Microwave antennas and astral body.
Date: 2022-07-18 07:51 pm (UTC)Re: Microwave antennas and astral body.
Date: 2022-07-18 07:16 pm (UTC)Is this the order?
- physical
- etheric
- astral
Can you please recommend some reading?
Re: Microwave antennas and astral body.
Date: 2022-07-18 07:52 pm (UTC)Re: Microwave antennas and astral body.
Date: 2022-07-18 07:36 pm (UTC)Re: Microwave antennas and astral body.
Date: 2022-07-18 07:53 pm (UTC)(no subject)
Date: 2022-07-18 07:31 am (UTC)(no subject)
Date: 2022-07-18 06:58 pm (UTC)Was that Apollo?
Date: 2022-07-18 08:35 am (UTC)1) I had an encounter with with someone who claimed to be Apollo. I asked him to trace a pentagram, which he did, and asked Brigid to vouch for him, I got the impression of her nodding to him as an equal.
The bit that confused me was that he presented himself as wearing a pinstripe suit in a beautiful old library. He's described as representing the pinnacle of youth for the ancient greek's so I thought he may be presenting himself in a personalised and more modern form?
I'm wondering how other people have seen him in recent years and if this sounds like him to you?
2) Do you know if the sacred geometry oracle card deck will come out on it's own at some point? It would be more convenient to have one in it's own box rather than rattling around in the one it came in with the book. Another option I'd been thinking about was using the images you're posting to get a set of cards printed off to take the wear and tear, would you have any issue with that?
3) In other good news: www.mackwelloco.com/ Someone is trying to build steam engines that can compete with modern diesel and are more resilient due to fuel adaptability. Long descent technology!
I found that I went to school with the guy starting it and talked to him about it. He's very collapse aware and doing this because of it. Apparently at current diesel prices it's economically competitive. It's still in the start up phase so some good energy sent their way would be well timed. Also If anyone is involved in a heritage railway or something and looking for a new boiler, give them a call.
www.youtube.com/c/MackwellLocomotiveCo/videos
Thanks for you help and patience.
Sea spray
Re: Was that Apollo?
Date: 2022-07-18 07:00 pm (UTC)2) Not that I know of. You may want to find a box or bag for the cards. Please don't just print out the cards -- their copyright is currently held by the publisher, who sank a lot of money and effort into getting them back into print, and deserves to make a living too.
3) Hmm! Fascinating. I'm glad to hear this.
Re: Was that Apollo?
Date: 2022-07-18 10:34 pm (UTC)(no subject)
Date: 2022-07-18 10:30 am (UTC)Your writings are peppered with hints and clues which I have been absorbing and filing away somewhere in my mind, and which pop out when needed. For example, you recently posted a link to The Canon Stirling, which I began to read and one line gave me another AHA moment.
Anyway, I appreciate the enormous time you have taken to give us the opportunity to study occult texts with you, and for sharing with us your knowledge and wisdom to light the path.
Myriam
(no subject)
Date: 2022-07-18 06:33 pm (UTC)(no subject)
Date: 2022-07-18 07:52 pm (UTC)Also, a couple of weeks ago on MM, there was a discussion that included some links to resources on ancient Near Eastern religion, including Sumerian: https://ecosophia.dreamwidth.org/188526.html?thread=31687534#cmt31687534
Cheers,
Jeff
(no subject)
Date: 2022-07-18 08:25 pm (UTC)(no subject)
Date: 2022-07-19 12:15 am (UTC)I don't know if anyone who participates has much practical experience with Mesopotamian religion, but the folks there are all very open-minded and willing to share what works and doesn't for them practically speaking, and one of the core ideas of the community is to learn from the practices that work for other traditions to get ideas for what your own tradition might benefit from.
Cheers,
Jeff
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Date: 2022-07-19 02:09 am (UTC)https://www.ancientfaith.com/podcasts/lordofspirits
The priests who do the podcast think that the Mesopotamian gods are demons, but it doesn't matter-- they are extremely knowledgeable on the subject. You can listen for all the details about ancient Mesopotamian religious practice, and ignore the part where they say "...and that's a bad thing."
(no subject)
Date: 2022-07-18 07:02 pm (UTC)(no subject)
Date: 2022-07-18 10:35 am (UTC)https://ashtarbookblog.blogspot.com/2022/07/swastiska-pride.html
I found it on Twitter, here:¨
https://twitter.com/JerryPa02337112/status/1546978089166594049
Note that it´s the trans and BIPOC colors in the triangles, added to make the flag super-woke, that forms a swastiska! And since these people don´t consider swastikas to be lucky charms, well...
Tidlösa, Sweden
(no subject)
Date: 2022-07-18 06:56 pm (UTC)(no subject)
Date: 2022-07-18 07:09 pm (UTC)I missed that detail in my earlier post about the "wedgie flag," but as I wrote then:
"As Carl Jung pointed out a long time ago, however, it's the symbols we create in perfect ignorance of their meaning that most precisely reflect what's going on in the deep places of our minds."
(no subject)
Date: 2022-07-18 07:28 pm (UTC)A little while back I couldn't resist making a variant of the pride flag:
in an essay about "rebesexuals"
(no subject)
Date: 2022-07-18 09:03 pm (UTC)https://www.facebook.com/BroadsheetFeministMagazine/posts/pfbid0xELGqAtuoYewJK1V9xUX3Atfy3N4bnsrmh5pyYiNxMCSNSxTkaVda1khrzCrYX5Bl
(no subject)
Date: 2022-07-18 09:47 pm (UTC)(no subject)
Date: 2022-07-18 10:49 am (UTC)What, if any, has been your experience with devotees of Athena/Minerva?
Would love to hear from commentators too!
Minerva
Date: 2022-07-18 03:38 pm (UTC)Minerva from what I have figured out is attracted to artisans and scholars who are serious about their craft. She was one of the first Roman Gods to appear to me. Other devotees of Her are similar in outlook in their seriousness and quiet.
Re: Minerva
Date: 2022-07-18 08:16 pm (UTC)(no subject)
Date: 2022-07-18 07:22 pm (UTC)(no subject)
Date: 2022-07-18 09:04 pm (UTC)A couple decades ago, I decided to bring a conscious devotion of Athena into my practice. My intention was to bring more reason & discipline into my life/psyche; I'd realized that my prior (admittedly ham-handed) devotion to ancient nature gods had left me lacking in both qualities. I don't personally know anyone else who's made the same move, so I can't speak to broad trends, but I feel like it did have a lot of the intended effect. In retrospect, she probably started me down the path to the Western Esoteric Tradition & Druidry that I follow today. An unintended consequence, I'd say, is that I used to have more patience for general ignorance, whereas now I'm driven absolutely bonkers by, e.g., the rampant -isms out there (racism, sexism, classism, etc.). Definitely an Athena quality -- keep in mind she's got a temper -- but it could also just be me getting older.
She & her owl are tattooed on my wrist so definitely still part of my everyday life, though my conscious devotions are less regular these days. If you open yourself up to her, I genuinely believe she'll be there to guide you in unexpected directions.
(no subject)
Date: 2022-07-18 11:00 am (UTC)forward to us and for this space you provide.
I would like to share a movie i stumble upon
'Every Day is a Good Day' 2008
https://www.imdb.com/title/tt7575778/
It's about a young Japanese woman slow journey
to her spirituality awakening through the
Japanese Tea Ceremony.
Many of the subject explored in the movie
mirror what i have experienced during my
small grow into the SoP. From the will and
discipline to the etheric nature of thing,
and even scrying. It's a deep and slow movie
where i could see all the mistake i've done
and probably lot more that i can't see yet.
I used the english subtitle version so i may
have lost some of it's content.
The creator of this movie has done the journey
themself for sure.
In one of the scene, something grab the arm of
the woman and made her do the movement.
That is something that happen to me a few times
already. During my SoP i raise my arm to do the
air symbol and a external force grab it and do
the symbol of the air for me. It has left me
a bit shocked and disoriented and in the rest of
the ceremony it didnt happen. My theory is if i
could have stay in the same state of mind it
would also have happen with the others elementals,
but the disturbance it cause me made it only
happen for the 1st symbol.
I wonder if you could provide with some inshigt
about what is happening when you get 'controlled/possesed?'
by 'something' while you do a ritual.
Puce Ludicrous Toadstool
(no subject)
Date: 2022-07-18 07:23 pm (UTC)(no subject)
Date: 2022-07-19 12:56 am (UTC)(no subject)
Date: 2022-07-18 11:26 am (UTC)Thank you!
(no subject)
Date: 2022-07-18 07:29 pm (UTC)Calculating Sidereal Time
Date: 2022-07-18 11:30 am (UTC)A quick question, open to all who may have some experience: are there any easy-to-follow guides for calculating sidereal time? Maybe I'm dense, but the one given in my edition of Parker's Astrology doesn't make a whole lot of sense to me, and the online calculators give slightly different results to the same time (assuming I'm actually entering it correctly, which I'm fairly sure I am).
Also, if anyone could point me in the direction of a good natal astrologer, that would also be appreciated.
Thanks!
Luke
Re: Calculating Sidereal Time
Date: 2022-07-18 07:32 pm (UTC)Re: Calculating Sidereal Time
Date: 2022-07-18 07:45 pm (UTC)Re: Calculating Sidereal Time
Date: 2022-07-18 07:55 pm (UTC)Re: Calculating Sidereal Time
Date: 2022-07-18 08:44 pm (UTC)Re: Calculating Sidereal Time
Date: 2022-07-19 02:37 am (UTC)If JMG doesn't mind a bit of self-promotion, I offer natal readings on my Etsy site here:
https://www.etsy.com/shop/secretfiremagicshop
(no subject)
Date: 2022-07-18 11:48 am (UTC)Lately I've been pondering social pathologies that have been linked to "magical thinking." Utopian ideologies whose proponents keep pushing them despite a long record of failed implementations, cargo cults believing in various panaceas for all society's woes, etc.
It occurs to me that some of these problems could be linked to the application of esoteric tools of thought by people who don't have the knowledge or context to properly use them. Traditionally, esoteric knowledge has been gatekept in various ways; degrees of initiation in occult societies, monasticism, exclusive apprenticeships, etc. Are we experiencing the consequences of occult thinking being applied in a careless, piecemeal fashion such that these old social conventions were designed to prevent?
For example, occult thinkers have asserted "Reason is not the only means by which truth may be found, there are other experiential pathways we can follow to broaden our understanding." Postmodernists say "Reason is an oppressive social construct and truth is merely the product of temporal power, and we can change the world at will by changing how we speak." The latter assertion reflects a dim understanding of the former along with a heaping dose of wishful thinking.
In particular, while today's prominent anti-rational political streams share an idea that symbolic rituals can transform society, they lack any kind of spirituality and their metaphysical framework is rudimentary at best. It's interesting because many of these ideas are seen on the political left, and in decades past the left was associated with significant amounts of "woowoo," tarot cards, astrology and the like, but the contemporary left that has more fully embraced postmodern ideas appears nearly devoid of spiritual thought.
It all seems akin to children playing with matches. Are there any historical analogs you can think of - incidents where poorly understood occult methods were used with disastrous results? It seems that the propagation of vampires may be reflective of this - you've written that the original spirits inhabiting long barrows were elders who bound themselves to the physical world after death to continue guiding their people, but the later vampires inhabiting burial mounds were simply kings and nobles who used the old knowledge to cheat death and become parasites of the living. Is there any evidence that the traditional frameworks restricting esoteric knowledge were motivated by problems such as these?
An addendum: It's also occurred to me that the lack of spirituality in postmodern politics may only be an outward appearance. Along with things like the "Magic Resistance" and the infernal rituals hosted at Catland Books in Brooklyn, I've heard multiple references in "progressive" circles to this book:
https://scriptus.gydja.com/the-book-of-sitra-achra-a-grimoire-of-the-dragons-of-the-other-side-n-a-a-218/
This grimoire of demonic magic specifically describes the powers it invokes as anti-thought and aimed at dissolving reality. If this is the spiritual framework underlying the above political movements, it's no wonder they want to keep it as private as they can.
(no subject)
Date: 2022-07-18 07:16 pm (UTC)As I recently spoke to researcher William Ramsey for a podcast about this topic, something also struck me as being very reminiscent of the Order of Nine Angles, a genuinely bizarre and astonishingly influential Satanist group with links to neo-Nazism, Islamism, and various murders and terrorist attacks from the 90s up to the recent past. Sure enough, according to an article on the Spiritual Life website, "the MLO incorporated elements from the Order of Nine Angles, the Illuminates of Thanateros and Qliphothic Kabbalah." (https://slife.org/theistic-satanism/)
With all that in mind, it's interesting to hear that progressives are also getting into the MLO. Satanism seems to be an area where the extreme-right and the woke-left overlap...
(no subject)
Date: 2022-07-18 09:21 pm (UTC)On the other -- well, demonolatry is another form of the same thing. It's for people who can't hack the true magic. You get people who want to practice magic but won't accept that it's about changing themselves rather than changing the world, or in some other way refuse the demands of the path; instead of doing the work themselves, they get other entities to do things for them.
Demons are always willing to do that, and equally willing to flatter and wheedle those who call on them, until they get the summoners into a vulnerable situation -- which they always do, being smarter than we are -- and start to tighten the screws.
Thus you always get an era of demonolatry in the wake of an era when occultism goes public. The original grimoires were what happened when some Christian priests who learned how to practice exorcism were unwilling to gain spiritual power through the hard but effective way of mystical practice, and settled for trying to get demons to do favors for them. In the same way, in the wake of the Rosicrucian era, you had the fad for grimoires in early modern Germany; in the wake of Lévi and the French occult revival, the era of diabolisme that inspired Huysman's Là-Bas; and now, in the wake of a genuine golden age of occultism in the US and Europe, we've got the usual era of demonolatry to scoop up the failures.
(no subject)
Date: 2022-07-19 01:43 am (UTC)I suppose this is a theme for meditation, isn't it?
(no subject)
Date: 2022-07-19 02:14 am (UTC)(no subject)
Date: 2022-07-18 12:21 pm (UTC)From where is the traditional order of the geomantic figures derived? In "The Art and Practice" etc. they're initially listed following the order of the Zodiac, but then in the section which shows them as binary numbers, that order (which is, according to the book, their traditional order) doesn't follow any pattern I can discern at the moment.
(no subject)
Date: 2022-07-18 09:38 pm (UTC)(no subject)
Date: 2022-07-18 09:52 pm (UTC)Ah, I see. I must've misread. Thanks.
(no subject)
Date: 2022-07-18 02:54 pm (UTC)1) On the 3rd Weird of Hali novel and just gotta ask what might be a dumb question, but what is the Voor? It is something that exists outside the novels under that name? What it is goes under a different name outside the fictional world of the novels?
2) I just received the OSA Probationer materials and it says to focus on one lesson a week, but also that most people spend 3-5 weeks on this level. There's 10 lessons, so are people doing two lessons a week? Or is this some sort of riddle I should be unlocking?
3) It hit me today that the past 2+ years of nuttiness are the lead up to something, rather than a series of events we'll be getting over. In other words, we are just getting started with this yet-to-be-identified crisis. I don't think it's shown its whole face yet. We are still blindfolded and feeling around to trying to figure out the whole creature. This feels true because people keep shouting about what's happened (and happening) in term of rationality, data, science, cycles, and human behavior. And the shouting people on both sides are very sure of themselves. I don't think either stance matters any longer because the actual crisis is coming still. Is anyone else feeling it here?
Thank you,
Murky Hyperactive Jellyfish
(no subject)
Date: 2022-07-18 09:51 pm (UTC)2) That is confusing, isn't it? One week minimum, 3-5 weeks maximum.
3) I think you're quite correct.
(no subject)
Date: 2022-07-18 11:52 pm (UTC)2) OK good, on the one week each lesson. The OSA work is deceptively simple, but not easy.
3) Darn it, was hoping you'd tell me I'm wrong.
(no subject)
Date: 2022-07-19 01:21 am (UTC)(no subject)
Date: 2022-07-19 01:33 am (UTC)Omg really? I desperately wanted to be a Jedi after seeing the movie as a kid. I kept trying to figure it out and was journaling about it. Ok it’s seriously cool I could study it now and fulfill that dream.
(no subject)
Date: 2022-07-19 02:22 am (UTC)I went to see the original movie something like a dozen times in its first theatrical run; I took the bus up to the UA 150 theater on the north end of downtown Seattle so often I'm surprised I wasn't on a first name basis with the ticket clerks. That movie plus the original Kung Fu TV series -- Kwai Chang Caine, played by David Carradine stoned out of his gourd, wandering the American West and nonviolently kicking the bejesus out of a dozen cowboy-hatted heavies without working up a sweat -- those were the inspirations that really got me started chasing esoteric spiritual traditions. I wanted to be something halfway between this...
...and this.
Of such adolescent ambitions are destinies shaped...
Mass Hatred of Public Figures
Date: 2022-07-18 03:19 pm (UTC)Thanks, by the way, for your observations on the occult dimensions of modern politics in the past (The King in Orange).
Cobalt Jocular Crow
Re: Mass Hatred of Public Figures
Date: 2022-07-18 03:42 pm (UTC)I do know that when Trump got Covid 19, they rejoiced and celebrated. As for me, I felt the need to separate myself from them as the energy was washing over me. It was in black and red waves. I had to do repeated cleansing.
Re: Mass Hatred of Public Figures
Date: 2022-07-18 04:28 pm (UTC)Re: Mass Hatred of Public Figures
Date: 2022-07-18 06:40 pm (UTC)Lathechuck
Re: Mass Hatred of Public Figures
Date: 2022-07-18 09:52 pm (UTC)Re: Mass Hatred of Public Figures
Date: 2022-07-18 10:38 pm (UTC)Would it be correct in assuming that mockery does not provide such a gift of energy?
Cobalt Jocular Crow a.k.a Ron M
Re: Mass Hatred of Public Figures
Date: 2022-07-18 11:05 pm (UTC)Re: Mass Hatred of Public Figures
Date: 2022-07-18 11:56 pm (UTC)Cobalt Jocular Crow a.k.a. Ron M
Re: Mass Hatred of Public Figures
Date: 2022-07-18 11:09 pm (UTC)This makes me wonder about something. 1) Could a Trump/MAGA supporter actually make a spiritual practice of directing adoration at Trump for the explicit purpose of strengthening him and his movement? 2) Is this perhaps why pharaohs, Roman emperors, and other god-kings sponsored cultic worship of themselves?
Re: Mass Hatred of Public Figures
Date: 2022-07-19 01:22 am (UTC)Re: Mass Hatred of Public Figures
Date: 2022-07-19 01:34 am (UTC)