Magic Monday
Jun. 19th, 2022 11:34 pm![[personal profile]](https://www.dreamwidth.org/img/silk/identity/user.png)

The image? That's the twenty-seventh card in The Sacred Geometry Oracle. Card 27, The Golden Proportion, when upright indicates that you can expect perfect success; when reversed, it tells you that your own actions have brought about your failure. The sun in the upper left corner of the image tells you that this card belongs to the final third of the oracle, which corresponds to Nwyfre, the principle of spirit and meaning. We've completed our passage through the first two of the basic root functions of sacred geometry -- √3, the principle of the vesica piscis and the equilateral triangle, and √2, the principle of the square and its diagonal -- and now we're working with the √5, the seed from which the Golden Section unfolds and resolves all back into unity.
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Date: 2022-06-20 03:53 am (UTC)Television criticism thrived in the late 1950s and early 1960s, which fizzled out by the end of the 1980s; the counterculture of the 1960s; the Appropriate Tech Movement of the 1970s; the Transition Towns movement of the 2000s; New Urbanism in the 1990s. This seems to me to be a striking feature of the Plutonian: during his reign as a planet, he appears to have ruled over the attempts to resist his influence. This irony, however, unfolds logically from the nature of the planet: Pluto is the planet of rejecting the cosmic order, and during his reign as a planet, he was part of that order: so naturally, he ruled over attempts to resist the rejection of the cosmic order!
This also explains the somewhat odd way that so many people who, during the Plutonian Era, seemed to be resisting the Plutonian are now clinging to it so desperately, while many who seemed more Plutonian have let go, since they were actually less Plutonian.
Does this line of reasoning make sense to you? It has all kinds of weird implications I'm only beginning to tease apart, but if it holds then it is a very substantial realization and makes a lot of sense of loads of other things (ex: why so many occultists in the Plutonian Era veered into Plutonian things).
b) I've also been wondering about the moral collapse and the descent into demonolatry over the past fifteen years or so, and realized it ties in neatly with Pluto fading out: it's common when dealing with Pluto for people to pretend to believe in something, by expressing it in the most extreme form. As Pluto fades out, people are clinging to it, and trying to pretend they still believe there is no cosmic order. I can't think of any better way than by rejecting all morality, and summoning demons. It may not make the universe into ugly chaos, but it does a wonder in making their own lives into it....
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Date: 2022-06-20 04:00 am (UTC)2) Yes, quite possibly so.
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Date: 2022-06-20 03:59 am (UTC)A bit of Green Wizardry with apologies for the intrusion into the usual discussion of magic… hey… didn’t think through, did I? Anyway – In response to your question to me in your post, “The Twilight of Empire”, on 15 June: Yes, I’m already working my way through the recommended material. The Food Conspiracy Cookbook is available for free at archive dot org. That the first line of the dedication is my given name in all caps with an exclamation point is, I suspect, a sign that you’ve got me pointed in the right direction. Many thanks! As far as checking in with functioning co-ops…the Midwest has a few large ones, but neighbors divvying up staples and produce might be a lost art. For now…
Rhydlyd
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Date: 2022-06-20 04:00 am (UTC)(no subject)
Date: 2022-06-20 04:12 am (UTC)To all who observe it, a happy Father's Day, and a happy and blessed early Summer Solstice to anyone who celebrates that! Otherwise, I hope your summer is off to a pleasant start, and thanks for sharing your knowledge here.
To share this week: I asked a while back if JMG had any knowledge of Oswald Spengler (of The Decline of the West fame) being an occultist, due to many references to occult and occult-adjacent sources. It would seem the answer is a pretty definitive "no", though. From page 392 of the 2021 Arktos edition of Volume II:
"The Isis-cult in Republican Rome was something very different both from the emperor-worship that succeeded it and from the deeply earnest Isis-religion of Egypt; it was a religious pastime of high society, which at times provoked public ridicule and at times led to public scandal and the closing of the cult-centres. The Chaldean astrology was in those days a fashion, very far removed from the genuine Classical belief in oracles and from the Magian faith in the might of the hour. It was "relaxation," a "let's pretend." And, over and above this, there were the numberless charlatans and fake prophets who toured the towns and south with their pretentious rites to persuade the half-educated into a renewed interest in religion. Correspondingly, we have in the European-American world of today the occultist and theosophist fraud, the American Christian Science, the untrue Buddhism of drawing-rooms, the religious arts-and-crafts business (brisker in Germany than even in England) that caters for gropus and cults of Gothic or Late Classical or Taoist sentiment."
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As for a question, I was a bit late asking this on the last Doctrine and Ritual of High Magic post: 1) If I’m remembering correctly, you’ve characterized much (most?) of what occurs between incarnations as astral in nature, which implies some kind of (semi-?) persistent astral vehicle for the individuality. In Chapter 12 of the DaRoHM, though, it seems that some/all of our astral “body” is associated with the personality of a given incarnation and is left behind and no longer inhabited by the individuality/soul behind it.
So, I suppose my question is: what’s happening here, as far as we know? Does the astral “body” split into that which is left behind and that which stays with us? As we better reach the higher (mental, spiritual) planes, does less of our astral vehicle persist between incarnations?
Thanks very much for your time and care,
Jeff
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From:Blessing Candles & The Lake
Date: 2022-06-20 04:15 am (UTC)1. Does a tamer cream as opposed to stark white (switching to beeswax), or putting it in a lantern, lessen the efficacy of a blessing candle?
2. We have moved next to a large lake that is wild and powerful. I walk along the shore and she washes me clean etherically (at least that feels like what is happening). She also wipes away bad moods. Even when I'm back home, if I have angry thoughts (I didn't want to move here) the lake will pop into my mind, definitely from the outside. Someone (my HGA?) is telling me to walk at the lake and let it banish my anger. She is dangerous in a practical sense because she makes her own (severe) weather patterns and has a strong rip current, but on a magical level, is there anything dangerous to spending such close time with a lake like this? Thank you.
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Date: 2022-06-20 04:30 am (UTC)2) Not as long as you're respectful. You seem to have established a good relationship with her, and as long as you respect that, that relationship should be a blessing for you. What you've described, btw, is the way the ancients felt about deities generally...
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Date: 2022-06-20 04:52 am (UTC)(2) On the translation side, I am about a third of the way through Carl du Prel's edition of Immanuel Kant's Lectures on Psychology - du Prel's introduction makes a very strong case for Kant having arrived at some very esoteric views, and that Kant's interest in Swedenborg was driven by his desire for evidence to back up his own intuitions. If you or any readers are really keen on seeing an English translation of any other untranslated German works published before 1925 by authors who died before 1951 (i.e. out of copyright in most countries), then I can add them to my list for next year.
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Date: 2022-06-20 06:04 am (UTC)2) Delighted to hear this! I wonder -- can you find a copy of Die Wiedergeburt, das innere Wahrhaftige Leben (also published under the title Das Buchstabenbuch) by Karl Kolb? It's the best source for the letter-mysticism practiced by J.B. Kerning (pen name of Johann Baptist Krebs), which influenced a vast range of European occult traditions in the 19th and 20th centuries.
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Date: 2022-06-20 04:56 am (UTC)I have been practicing magic including a daily SOP for 8 years now and have had really surprising benefits from it. At least, I was surprised.
This last year or so, I have noticed a sort of full feeling in the palms of my hands and a slight tingle. I was afraid it was a symptom of illness so I really got to grips with my blood sugar and am only eating one meal a day and that, very low in carbs. My hands feel the same even though I have experienced many other health benefits.
Is this tingling an effect of my magical practice?
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Date: 2022-06-20 05:02 am (UTC)I have two question for this Monday:
1) When doing the SOP, the light descending during the Opening is bright white, but the light ascending from the Earth is golden, and when the two mix, the effect is like sunlight in late afternoon. Is the light ascending supposed to be white, too, in other words, am I doing this wrong? I didn’t consciously (as far as I remember) make it golden when I started doing the SOP, and now it appears that way all on its own.
2) I want to start with discursive meditation, and it occurred to me when reading the instructions that I’ve been doing this for a long time, but in writing. Is it imperative to do it solely in your mind, or is journaling an acceptable method, too (for the record, I’m willing to try it without the props and expect it to be quite the challenge)? And can you read up on the subject of your meditation beforehand, or are you supposed to start with only what you know and can conclude yourself? (That's technically a third question, oops...)
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Date: 2022-06-20 06:08 am (UTC)2) Journaling is also a good practice, but I recommend a daily discursive meditation as well as journaling. Of course you can read up on the subject beforehand -- better still, use the book you're reading on the subject as a source of meditation themes. You don't have to extract everything in your meditation from some inappropriate orifice or other... ;-)
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Date: 2022-06-20 05:10 am (UTC)Does this square with anything you or any readers have experienced? Could these be something disguising itself as human, or actual humans subject to some kind of possession or who are able to etherically mask themselves in some way? Thanks for hosting these Q&As.
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Date: 2022-06-20 05:51 am (UTC)For a year or two I practiced this, then went off it in order to try discursive meditation. That’s where I went off the rails. I couldn’t do it. As soon as I try to think discursively about some symbolically rich image - say, the Fool from the Rider Waite tarot - I lose interest. My mind is much more interested in images themselves, and how beautiful they are - their vibrant colors, how they are composed - rather than in what they symbolize or represent in some allegorical way. So my meditation practice went to hell.
While visualizing the aforementioned planetary spheres, I sometimes think of the attributes of the gods appearing within them, or - more rarely - their faces or figures. They seem to glow in my mind’s eye. But I don’t particularly look for meanings in them. If the gods feel disposed to send me some such realization, I’ll be paying attention.
I suppose this may mean that I won’t be recollecting past lives any time soon, or growing a mental body all that fast, nor ascending in a rush up the great chain of being. But then I never asked to become an enlightened being in this lifetime. All I ever wanted was to make nice pictures and find some gratification in doing so.
When I visualize the sphere of Venus, I imagine a sphere of rose quartz. At first I felt this a bit too pink-bubbly; but when I visualize her in green, the other obvious option, it makes me think of leaves of infested plants I’ve seen and I get images of giant insects. So I’m sticking with rose quartz.
Tony says to picture Saturn as black. But in terms of visualization a black sphere hanging in the blackness of space is a non-starter; so I picture Saturn as a deep indigo, rather like a black light in an old-time poster shop.
The location of Jupiter at the heart center reminds me of the hyper cube at the center of a tesseract. I fancy some kind of more-than-three-dimensional spatial matrix is being referenced here.
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Date: 2022-06-20 06:06 am (UTC)https://thejosias.com/2022/06/16/the-politics-of-hell/
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Date: 2022-06-20 06:44 am (UTC)Do you want to change your life completely for good and wish to be rich and successful in your business? Are you talented and wish to be famous? Do you want to be protected spiritually and physically? All these and more you will get in a twinkle of an eye when you join the great Illuminati Order. Do you agree to be a member of the Illuminati New World order? Reply YES! via email:"
Even before I started reading here that would have been sad but so totally not how it works! (I didn't send an email)
That is not a question just wanted to share...
2) If you spend three months working into a path and then you do nothing for three months ... when you return do you pick up where you left off, do the whole thing over in the same time frame, do the first one and see how it feels and if all good do the second etc or ...?
3) I recently came across the book 'Not in His Image (15th Anniversary Edition)' by John Lamb Lash ... is it a worthy read or a don't bother or ... ?
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Date: 2022-06-20 06:00 pm (UTC)2) You go through an abbreviated version of the work you did over the first three months, starting from scratch but advancing as quickly as seems appropriate through the different stages.
3) I haven't read it. Anyone else?
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From:The compact version please.
Date: 2022-06-20 06:56 am (UTC)I have an assortment of loosely connected questions.
1. Still thinking on the W.E. Butt.er’s How to read Aura. I have been contemplating clairvoyance and it’s development. He wrote that all physical senses are a variation of one sense. And so all psychic senses are also all variations of its own sense. And so you start with the basic and develop it further. It got me thinking, that he might be speaking just of etheric senses. And astral senses are a separate thing. Or do his methods promote both?
2. I have been tinkering as of late intent on making my own DMH stones. It is just when I go online and search for druid stones the results are standing stones. Would it be a bother to ask for a picture, description or example of the stones used by druids in DMH?
Best regards,
V
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Date: 2022-06-20 06:03 pm (UTC)2) Here's an example:
That is to say, any small pebble of any kind is suitable. Don't make this more difficult than it is! Just gather some small rocks you like.
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Date: 2022-06-20 07:02 am (UTC)When my wife was a teenager, her best friend killed herself. That girl had a lot of problems apparently. My wife is convinced she was a abused by her father.
It left my wife with the feeling that she didn't do enough to help.
And even today from time to time, my wife has nightmares about the girl. At one time, she was afraid the ghost of that girl would occupy our unborn child.
Is there anything I might be able to do?
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Date: 2022-06-20 07:04 am (UTC)I thought I would ask this here separate. One of the commenters on the other blog asked about a syllabus on medieval metaphysics (I assume she found a long lost family ring, but lacks a friendly mentor :-) ). I thought that, if it is short enough for a question here, I would ask here about it. It might help the budding sorceresses out there.
Best regards,
V
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From:Sul, from last week
Date: 2022-06-20 07:07 am (UTC)https://ecosophia.dreamwidth.org/186249.html?thread=30951305#cmt30951305
The following prayer to Sul was posted ages ago, which I've kept (thanks readoldthings).
I've memorised it and include it in my prayers occasionally, and while my prayer practice is very novice I do feel some presence.
https://ecosophia.dreamwidth.org/85690.html?thread=8201658#cmt8201658
I hope this prayer is what you're looking for.
Derailed meditation
Date: 2022-06-20 08:15 am (UTC)I've been meditating following your instructions. It's been great. I've been more purposeful and able to keep my thoughts focussed on my own concerns much better. My intuition's been VERY chatty, but I guess that's not surprising.
However, I was suddenly overcome by a very vivid image of The Hermit from the Smith-Waite tarot, and an overwhelming feeling of sadness which I couldn't shake. I'm not much prone to sadness generally. Do you think something was messing with me, or is this some sort of genuine presentiment?
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Date: 2022-06-20 04:13 pm (UTC)Axé,
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From:Karma of a mage & SOP
Date: 2022-06-20 09:59 am (UTC)1) you wrote that when one becomes a competend mage (after three lifetimes) the last one ends up messy (as in e.g. a defect floor fan in a monastery does the job). I forgot to ask: what happens next? Ascension to enlightened something-something ( with the ability to spell things correctly in English ;)) or on to the next lessons? E.g. like the sentence of one of the magic the gathering trading-card game: "if magic is your crutch cast it aside and learn to walk without it."?
2.) To me the SOP circulations let me think of the three anatomical tubes of the ear for balancing. Would you/ what you have learned so far, let you think that there is a connection? And if yes, is it willed? I wonder because for me it defenitely has a quality that has to do with my balance.
Thank you very much!
P.s: I wonder, is the following of interest to you? There is the fairy tale of Wassilisa the most beautiful (Wassilissa, die Wunderschöne), who is sent to Baba Yaga to get a rekindle of the herdfire. Baba Yaga supposedly lives in a house made of human bones. In " Der große Bildatlas der Archäologie", Orbis Verlag 1985 (originaly published in French) on page 32 it features a Foto of a (caved in) hut made solely out of "Mammutknochen" (Bones of mammoth). M.I.Gladkikh did the excavation and apparently several were found in Mezhiritch/Ukraine (the book of course being printed in 1985 says found in UDSSR).
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Date: 2022-06-20 06:30 pm (UTC)2) Interesting. I don't know if the connection was intended, but you can certainly meditate on that and see where it takes you.
3) Hmm! Yes, I've heard of the mammoth bone hut. If that's the case, we may actually have a contemporary portrait of Baba Yaga...
This was found in a burial in that same site, iirc, and the skull of the old woman who was buried there showed the same kind of sagging face that's in the image. (Last I heard, it's the oldest known portrait of an individual human being.)
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Date: 2022-06-20 10:14 am (UTC)Do cockroaches have souls? Mosquitos? Ticks? Fleas? Annoying insects in general? Was wondering about the karmic consequences of murdering pest insects.
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Date: 2022-06-20 06:36 pm (UTC)Since that's the case, getting squeamish about squashing a mosquito is kind of a waste of emotional effort. My rule, when it comes to insects, is that anything harmful to me, if it comes into my space, dies as quickly and mercifully as I can manage. Anything not harmful to me gets put outside. Weirdly, some insects seem to have figured this out: moths who get into my apartment will land on a wall near me and wait very patiently while I get a little cup and a piece of cardboard, then hop into the cup and stay there until I can release them out the window.
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Date: 2022-06-20 06:38 pm (UTC)Divination sucess rate; planetary charity consent; divination: confirmation questions?
Date: 2022-06-20 10:33 am (UTC)And a blessed start into the week for you and your wife, JMG! Thank you very much for the opportunity to ask questions again.
1. Since divination is done by humans, there will inevitably be a certain amount of “wrong” predictions, due to mistakes, personal biases, bad days, etc. (Even leaving aside the question whether an oracle in itself can be infallible.)
In your experience, what would be the success rate (rate of correct predictions) of a “good” diviner?
(Just asking for a guess from experience here, or even for a rough range if that’s the best you can give :-) )
2. A question about occult ethics:
Is it ok to do planetary charity for issues concerning others without getting their explicit consent?
Example: For a successful job search of one’s spouse - this would concern the spouse, but also oneself/the whole family (in terms of money, spare time, overall happiness, …). Would planetary charity in this case require consent from the spouse?
3. In wrapping up a divination e.g with the Geometry Oracle, is it a good idea to ask one last question along the lines of “did I get the reading right” - a confirmation question?
And if anybody here has tried that/is doing it, are you using the full range of your oracle’s potential answers, or are you going with a simple yes/no divination (e.g. picking one card of the Geometry Oracle: upright = yes, reversed = no)?
(I’m currently playing with such “confirmation questions” and am not yet sure whether they are doing good or harm - would love to get your perspectives, opinions or experiences on them).
Thanks,
Milkyway
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Date: 2022-06-20 04:50 pm (UTC)Cheers,
Jeff
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Date: 2022-06-20 11:03 am (UTC)I recently began experimenting with a contemplative tradition alongside my longtime magical practice, but quickly found the two are not compatible: the contemplative tradition effectively overwhelmed my former practice, rendering me incapable of doing the work, both physically and mentally. This was frustrating, as the work was maturing and delivering powerful results after many years.
I performed Tarot divination (Rider-Waite) on the subject, and would like a gut check on the reading.
I pondered whether I should continue with my usual ritual practice.
Result: Wheel of Fortune, Temperance (reversed), Emperor
The Wheel of Fortune I associate with the ritual itself, as the card layout has some similarities with the ritual space. My view of this was that the disharmony/incongruity between the two practices (as represented by the second card) would give way to a kind of power/triumph, as represented by the third.
Unsure, I reshuffled and asked again. Result: Temperance (reversed), Emperor, Magician (reversed). The repetition of the cards was curious--it seemed to be a refining of the previous response, suggesting (to me) that this power/triumph would lead to a block in my magical practices (third card).
Finally I considered whether I should continue with the contemplative practice. Result: Devil (reversed), Wheel of Fortune, Lovers (reversed). If we assume the Wheel of Fortune is representative of my ritual practice, it seems to suggest that if I proceed on that road I will not find fulfillment.
All of these taken together seemed to suggest, to me, that I ought to for now abandon the ritual practice and continue with the other road. Does this seem correct? Any other angles here that you can see?
Thank you once again for your time and thoughtfulness.
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Date: 2022-06-20 06:59 pm (UTC)Also, it's a bad idea to ask the same question more than once. That's disrespectful to the oracle. It also usually means that you don't like the outcome of the first reading.
In this case, it certainly looks as though you decided in advance that you wanted to give up the ritual practice and take up the contemplative practice. The cards are trying to tell you not to do that -- compare the answer to the first question to the answer to the third. Will you listen to them?
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From: (Anonymous) - Date: 2022-06-20 07:13 pm (UTC) - ExpandLuck?
Date: 2022-06-20 11:58 am (UTC)Is it just another way of describing the results of having earned good karma in the past(or past lives)?
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Date: 2022-06-20 07:00 pm (UTC)Herne
Date: 2022-06-20 12:13 pm (UTC)I would be interested to know if there are any good occultist and/or scholarly sources on the character of Herne the Hunter. He is a spirit that I have felt a strong pull towards for the past 3 years or so. His position within the fragments of late-medieval English folklore makes it unclear to me within which pantheon he would best fit - I have toyed with the idea of assembling a uniquely English Druidical pantheon around him, as he blends so well elements from Cernunnos and Woden.
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Date: 2022-06-20 12:28 pm (UTC)Three things:
1. Somehow, every card in this series has been relevant to my current situation for the given week, be it upright or reversed.
2. When I commute to work, I would as a matter of course ask at the beginning "How will this shift turn out to be?". Then I will pay close attention to ebbs and flows of traffic as well as my own reactions to said traffic. Doing this kind of commuting divination predicted for me the order in which events occur during the work shift. Paying attention to my own reactions during the commute led me to modify my own actions during the work shift to be more fruitful or at least less self conflicting. Is there any literature on such traveller's divination, divining the course of events at their destination by events in the journey to said destination?
3) What is the deal with Pachamama and traditionalist catholics? They react as if its the immanent sign of the conversion of the church to the great satan. Its like they ignore the extensive history of catholic conversion by syncretism, especially the dozens of female deities converted to "The Virgin of X" and other local deities converted to "St. X of Y". Also what is Pachamama? This figure seems like a catchall neopaganist name for the divine feminine of the South American pursuation.
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Date: 2022-06-20 07:09 pm (UTC)2) I know people who do various forms of it but I've never seen a book on the subject. It seems to be a subset of omen reading. I was taught by one of my teachers to do an omen walk -- just start walking, and treat everything you encounter as though it's a message in response to your question.
3) You'll have to ask a trad Catholic about that! I have no idea why that's got them all aflutter.
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