Open (More or Less) Post on Covid 29

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The semi-open posts  I've hosted here on the Covid-19 narrative, the inadequately tested experimental drugs for it, and the whole cascading mess surrounding them have continued to field a very high number of comments -- to understate the matter considerably! -- so I'm opening yet another space for discussion. The rules are the same as before: 

1. If you plan on parroting the party line of the medical industry and its paid shills, please go away. This is a place for people to talk openly, honestly, and freely about their concerns that the party line in question is dangerously flawed and that actions being pushed by the medical industry et al. are causing injury and death. It is not a place for you to dismiss those concerns. Anyone who wants to hear the official story and the arguments in favor of it can find those on hundreds of thousands of websites.

2. If you plan on insisting that the current situation is the result of a deliberate plot by some villainous group of people or other, please go away. There are tens of thousands of websites currently rehashing various conspiracy theories about the Covid-19 outbreak and the vaccines. This is not one of them. What we're exploring is the likelihood that what's going on is the product of the same arrogance, incompetence, and corruption that the medical industry and its tame politicians have displayed so abundantly in recent decades. That possibility deserves a space of its own for discussion, and that's what we're doing here. 
 
3. If you plan on using rent-a-troll derailing or disruption tactics, please go away. I'm quite familiar with the standard tactics used by troll farms to disrupt online forums, and am ready, willing, and able -- and in fact quite eager -- to ban people permanently for engaging in them here. Oh, and I also lurk on other Covid-19 vaccine skeptic blogs, so I'm likely to notice when the same posts are showing up on more than one venue. 

4. If you don't believe in treating people with common courtesy, please go away. I have, and enforce, a strict courtesy policy on my blogs and online forums, and this is no exception. The sort of schoolyard bullying that takes place on so many other internet forums will get you deleted and banned here. No, I don't care if you disagree with that: my journal, my rules. 

With that said, as Canadian officials launch a campaign of reprisals against citizens who supported a peaceful protest against government policy, and the words "died suddenly" become the favorite media euphemism of our time, the floor is open for discussion.   

Comments

Re: Ruhh-Row…

[(Anonymous)]

The developments in Israel are very interesting. Unfortunately we only have the all-cause mortality data till Jan 30th. There is something really odd though: the all-cause mortality is rising in tandem with the rise of the infections, but much less in tandem with C19 mortality. The last week of data shows this. On Jan 23 the all cause mortality stood at 29% and the C19 mortality at 8.07 per million. On Jan 30 the all-cause mortality was 28% but the C19 mortality was a hefty 35.72 per million, more than 4 times the previous week while all-cause mortality declined! Next week will show if this is an administrative blip, but I have reason to believe it isn't.

In the second part of last year we saw something similar in Europe: the all-cause mortality moved in tandem with the amount of infections, but C19 mortality did not expain the excess all-cause mortality as total C19 mortality was only about 25% of total all cause mortality.

My conclusion is that it seems like the majority of the excess mortality is caused or triggered by the Corona virus, but it is mostly not Covid19. I don't have the biomedical knowledge to understand how this can be.

Boccaccio

Re: Ruhh-Row…

[(Anonymous)]

'My conclusion is that it seems like the majority of the excess mortality is caused or triggered by the Corona virus, but it is mostly not Covid19.'

The situation in Aus supports this since we are highly vaxxed, but no excess mortality. We had nearly no covid until omicron.

Re: Ruhh-Row…

[(Anonymous)]

Sort of.

If you check out the death rate mapped against corona "cases" here - https://www.abs.gov.au/statistics/health/causes-death/provisional-mortality-statistics/latest-release

you'll see that there was a period of excess death in the middle of 2021 that occurred while there were essentially no "cases". Since then, there's been an explosion of "cases" with no noticeable effect on all cause mortality. Will be very interesting to check on this graph after next winter.

Re: Ruhh-Row…

[(Anonymous)]

Interesting graph, too bad it goes only till Oct 31 and 'misses' the Omicron wave. I see the same pattern as in Europe actually: when the vaccination campaign begins there are a few months of excess mortality (possibly adverse effects of the vaccine), then a short while of mortality deficit (possibly because the antibodies generated by the vaxx are still in the body and because usually a period of excess mortality is followed by a period of deficit mortality), and then the mortality starts to rise in tandem with a new wave of the virus. It looks like this third phase started around the start of October in Australia as in October the mortality and infections started to move in tandem.

In Europe mortality started to return to expectation when Omicron started to replace Delta. In Australia that was around early December if I can trust the data in ourworldindata.org, so based on that it is possible to do a prediction about the development of excess mortality after last October:

- If the developments in Australia are similar to Europe, we should see excess mortality in December as there was an explosion of infections and part of it was Delta. For January there should be much less excess mortality as nearly all infections were Omicron.

When the numbers come in it will be interesting to see if this predicton holds.

Boccaccio