Open (More or Less) Post on Covid 24
Jan. 18th, 2022 12:48 pm![[personal profile]](https://www.dreamwidth.org/img/silk/identity/user.png){kind=small}
ecosophia
The semi-open posts I've hosted here on the Covid-19 narrative, the inadequately tested experimental drugs for it, and the whole cascading mess surrounding them have continued to field a very high number of comments, so I'm opening yet another space for discussion. The rules are the same as before: 1. If you plan on parroting the party line of the medical industry and its paid shills, please go away. This is a place for people to talk openly, honestly, and freely about their concerns that the party line in question is dangerously flawed and that actions being pushed by the medical industry et al. are causing injury and death. It is not a place for you to dismiss those concerns. Anyone who wants to hear the official story and the arguments in favor of it can find those on hundreds of thousands of websites.
2. If you plan on insisting that the current situation is the result of a deliberate plot by some villainous group of people or other, please go away. There are tens of thousands of websites currently rehashing various conspiracy theories about the Covid-19 outbreak and the vaccines. This is not one of them. What we're exploring is the likelihood that what's going on is the product of the same arrogance, incompetence, and corruption that the medical industry and its tame politicians have displayed so abundantly in recent decades. That possibility deserves a space of its own for discussion, and that's what we're doing here.
3. If you plan on using rent-a-troll derailing or disruption tactics, please go away. I'm quite familiar with the standard tactics used by troll farms to disrupt online forums, and am ready, willing, and able -- and in fact quite eager -- to ban people permanently for engaging in them here. Oh, and I also lurk on other Covid-19 vaccine skeptic blogs, so I'm likely to notice when the same posts are showing up on more than one venue.
4. If you don't believe in treating people with common courtesy, please go away. I have, and enforce, a strict courtesy policy on my blogs and online forums, and this is no exception. The sort of schoolyard bullying that takes place on so many other internet forums will get you deleted and banned here. No, I don't care if you disagree with that: my journal, my rules.
With that said, as more and more vaccinated people call in sick with the disease the vaccine was supposed to keep them from getting, and the euphemism "died suddenly" sounds like a repeated drumbeat in the media, the floor is open for discussion.
Re: Ireland turn around
Date: 2022-01-21 08:03 pm (UTC)It's highly unusual for politicians to suddenly do a u-turn and give up a load of power just like that. Especially when it comes to tracking people and controlling their movements. There must be some bad news about to emerge and they are trying to soften the blow or something.
The numbers for fox effectiveness in the UK certainly don't look great and that's despite the usual statistical tricks.
https://dailysceptic.org/2022/01/21/do-covid-vaccines-reduce-all-cause-mortality-ons-data-give-us-no-reason-to-think-so/
https://dailysceptic.org/2022/01/20/triple-jabbed-over-30s-have-higher-infection-rates-than-the-unvaccinated-ukhsa-data-show/
Kind regards
Sean
Re: Ireland turn around
Date: 2022-01-21 08:40 pm (UTC)Re: Ireland turn around
Date: 2022-01-21 09:15 pm (UTC)That just doesn‘t make any sense. (Not the crazy part of the German government, that doesn‘t surprise me). But this combination of ways forward, together with the sudden U-turns, … well.
Somehow that makes me more worried than a lot of other, more predictable things did. That stuff has been going pretty much in lockstep for so long… Very odd.
Milkyway
Re: Ireland turn around
Date: 2022-01-21 09:47 pm (UTC)And Israel is off the charts...
http://91-divoc.com/pages/covid-visualization/?chart=countries-normalized&highlight=United%20Kingdom&show=25-lg&y=both&scale=linear&data=cases-daily-7&data-source=jhu&xaxis=right#countries-normalized
Mark L
Re: Ireland turn around
Date: 2022-01-22 09:32 am (UTC)No offense, and it really speaks for your kindness to write something like that. But the times when I trusted the German health authorities with anything are gone (and probably for good).
I‘ve spent a great deal of time following the date in Germany for months, starting in the early summer 2020. During all that time, what they have done had nothing to do with the actual data. The only conclusions I can draw is either that this is done on purpose (e.g. somebody lives in big pharma‘s pockets and is bent on pushing through as many vaccinations as possible), or complete and utter ignorance and incompetence.
There could well a case be made for either-or, or for both at the same time. What the health authorities have never done (not once, as far as I have seen), is take the sensible path based on data. (Although, to be fair, the health authorities are only producing the „results“ the goverment tells them to produce, so this isn‘t entirely their fault.)
Anyway, a monkey throwing a coin at each turn would have had a better track record of doing the sensible thing.
So… call me cynical, but the idea that health authorities are suddenly acting according to data… uhm, nope. Governments acting according to a changing wind (i.e. their survey rates), now that‘s something I might believe.
Milkyway
Re: Ireland turn around
Date: 2022-01-22 08:22 pm (UTC)No offense taken :-)
I think there are two Narratives in play now, and the trajectory of the next few months will depend on which one is dominant in your location. So we may see countries that had been moving in lockstep stop doing that, and I'm not especially convinced that there is some higher-level force behind the change.
Narrative 1 is all about the virus. The virus is scary. It is deadly. The vaccines prevent infection and transmission. OK maybe not really, but they still prevent hospitalization and death, and keep the hospitals from being overwhelmed. When cases are rising we must Take Action. When cases are falling we can let the actions expire.
Narrative 2 is about groups of people. The Unvaccinated are selfish, racist, misogynist, Trump-supporting Nazi Bad People. There are too many of them, and even if they are not solely responsible for the continuing pandemic they are dangerously misinformed and a threat to civil society. It is perfectly OK to enact new policies just to "piss them off", in the words of one Mr. Macron.
Where I live, Oregon USA, we have a reputation as a "blue state" that has had rather draconian policies in place compared to other parts of the country. While that's true, our leadership has primarily stuck to Narrative 1. There are plenty of Narrative 2 believers, but they are a vocal minority. Once we reached the goal of 70% vaccination in June, the state government and media more or less stopped focusing on vaccination numbers. We do not have any statewide or even city-wide vaccine requirements for indoor dining, and I haven't been asked if I am vaccinated for months now. There's still plenty of propaganda in favor of vaccination, but it's nearly all focused on preventing severe illness and protecting hospital capacity. During the first year of the pandemic, the state government would add more rules when cases were rising and do nothing when cases were falling. More recently the trend has been to do nothing when cases are rising and then remove rules when cases are falling. Like the UK, the state has been relatively forthcoming in terms of presenting (presumably accurate) data on cases and hospitalizations, and these data are referenced frequently - including a willingness to publish positive press releases when numbers are improving.
So...I think as the Omicron wave recedes we are going to see a policy divergence based on whether Narrative 1 or Narrative 2 is dominant, with some places relaxing nearly all restrictions in short order and others doubling down.
Mark L
Re: Ireland turn around
Date: 2022-01-22 10:06 pm (UTC)That‘s an interesting distinction. I‘ll ponder that, thanks!
I realised I have assumed more or less all the Western EU countries to be in the narrative 2 group, but maybe that wasn‘t true, and the narrative in Ireland and England was different?
As I mentioned, I‘m in Germany. Our government has gone full-on narrative 2. The things I’ve had to listen to from my own representatives (who are paid from our taxes to serve us) are simply incredible. Now if only they had been competent in their agenda - but they haven’t even been able to do that professionally. (Not that I‘m complaining, as that incompetent bumbling is likely what has saved us so far.)
That might have made me a bit more cynic than necessary, admittedly.
So I guess I gotta work on that, huh? ;-)
Milkyway
Re: Ireland turn around
Date: 2022-01-21 10:15 pm (UTC)Re: Ireland turn around
Date: 2022-01-22 03:33 am (UTC)It feels like they are testing the waters to see how the public takes it. But, yeah, I'd gotten so used to the wall-to-wall BS that the truth is almost disconcerting.
Re: Ireland turn around
Date: 2022-01-22 02:05 pm (UTC)Cetiosaurus
Re: Ireland turn around
Date: 2022-01-21 09:46 pm (UTC)I think it's already visible in the tiny trickle of fox + maternity outcomes data that has been made public. There's not enough out there to draw any real conclusions, thanks to incomplete datasets, small sample sizes etc., but what I'm seeing is, basically, there are rumors that the vixen is causing sharp, un-hide-able rises in miscarriage, stillbirths, and neonatal deaths. Those are just rumors, so far. But here's the thing:
1) At least some governments, healthcare systems, and hospitals *have* enough data at this point to prove or disprove those rumors. NOBODY is releasing it. Instead, official sources are publishing spurious "fact-checks" and "debunking" articles citing data that is too old to prove their claims. You would think, at this point, that if the data from the second half of 2021 could definitively show that the vixens are safe during pregnancy, they'd be falling over themselves to release at least some preliminary versions of it, like "Hey! Look! Here's our numbers! Totally safe!" The fact that they're still trying to battle those rumors with data from *before* most women of childbearing age were vixenated is, I think, a hint at what that data actually shows.
2) The trickles of actual data about maternity outcomes, both for vixenated women specifically, and also population-wide stats, are all looking grim. None of them have a large enough sample size to draw real conclusions from, but... it's not looking rosy. The bits that we have that *aren't* rumor are:
2a) A large spike in neonatal deaths in September 2021 in Scotland. The only reason we know about it is that UKHSA had to investigate it, and the investigation made headlines. No conclusions yet. No (public) info on the fox status of the mothers.
2b) CDC data from a vixen trial, which the CDC used to conclude that vixens were safe during pregnancy, was egregiously manipulated to come to that conclusion. Once the data interpretation fraud is stripped away, it shows a miscarriage rate of over 80% in pregnant women exposed to the fox before 20 weeks gestation.
2c) FOIA-generated data from a Pfz trial where there were 32 pregnant women exposed to the fox, whose pregnancy outcomes were known (there were more whose outcomes were not known, because that was after the study end date and there was no follow-up). Out of those 32, 28 ended in fetal death. This is inconclusive both because of the small sample size, and because pregnancies that went full term were much more likely to have "no outcome" until after the study ended.
2d) VAERS data report more than 3,500 miscarriages. It's hard to draw any conclusions there because it's self-reported (and thus vastly under-reported), and there's no denominator available: i.e. we don't know how many pregnant ladies were foxed, so there's nothing to compare that number to. 3500 out of 4000? 3500 out of 35000000? No idea!
3) So... if you did have pre-public-release access to that data, you were in a position to be held responsible for the consequences, and it shows what I think it does, what would you do? Well, it looks like what you do is *distance yourself as far and as fast as possible*. Dead babies (at least the ones people actually wanted to have) are not a good look.
4) That's just the corner of the vixen-side-effects news that I'm following. What's going on in school-age mortality? How about the under-40 crowd? Over-40? Myocarditis rates? New autoimmune diagnoses? Blood clots? I haven't been standing under the rumor-mill for those things, but it seems like the same picture there: some pretty grim rumors, nobody's releasing any data that contradicts them, even though some places definitely have that data (UKHSA I am looking at you!).
5) IMO, there is absolutely NO WAY the big synchronized U-turn that just happened in the corporate media happened because the vixens are merely ineffective. There are too many people getting too much money out of it, for The Narrative (TM) to be changed for a little thing like that. It's gotta be much worse than that. It's not just "this is killing Democrats in the polls" either-- the narrative shift is worldwide. Way bigger than US midterm elections. How bad? Wait and see, I guess.
Re: Ireland turn around
Date: 2022-01-21 11:49 pm (UTC)