Open (More or Less) Post on Covid 24

[ecosophia]

The semi-open posts  I've hosted here on the Covid-19 narrative, the inadequately tested experimental drugs for it, and the whole cascading mess surrounding them have continued to field a very high number of comments, so I'm opening yet another space for discussion. The rules are the same as before: 

1. If you plan on parroting the party line of the medical industry and its paid shills, please go away. This is a place for people to talk openly, honestly, and freely about their concerns that the party line in question is dangerously flawed and that actions being pushed by the medical industry et al. are causing injury and death. It is not a place for you to dismiss those concerns. Anyone who wants to hear the official story and the arguments in favor of it can find those on hundreds of thousands of websites.

2. If you plan on insisting that the current situation is the result of a deliberate plot by some villainous group of people or other, please go away. There are tens of thousands of websites currently rehashing various conspiracy theories about the Covid-19 outbreak and the vaccines. This is not one of them. What we're exploring is the likelihood that what's going on is the product of the same arrogance, incompetence, and corruption that the medical industry and its tame politicians have displayed so abundantly in recent decades. That possibility deserves a space of its own for discussion, and that's what we're doing here. 
 
3. If you plan on using rent-a-troll derailing or disruption tactics, please go away. I'm quite familiar with the standard tactics used by troll farms to disrupt online forums, and am ready, willing, and able -- and in fact quite eager -- to ban people permanently for engaging in them here. Oh, and I also lurk on other Covid-19 vaccine skeptic blogs, so I'm likely to notice when the same posts are showing up on more than one venue. 

4. If you don't believe in treating people with common courtesy, please go away. I have, and enforce, a strict courtesy policy on my blogs and online forums, and this is no exception. The sort of schoolyard bullying that takes place on so many other internet forums will get you deleted and banned here. No, I don't care if you disagree with that: my journal, my rules. 

With that said, as more and more vaccinated people call in sick with the disease the vaccine was supposed to keep them from getting, and the euphemism "died suddenly" sounds like a repeated drumbeat in the media, the floor is open for discussion.

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Re: Novavax

[aria_aperta]

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As others mentioned, it still instructs the body to create/'manufacture' spike proteins.
While nothing is known for certain yet, it's becoming increasingly apparent spike proteins are pathogens and can cause near-term and/or long-term damage to organs/the human body/the immune system.

There are a couple potentially viable, non mRNA/non-viral vector vaccines, however, such as Covaxin and Corbevax.


"Covaxin... The indigenous, inactivated vaccine is developed and manufactured in Bharat Biotech's BSL-3 (Bio-Safety Level 3) high containment facility.The vaccine is developed using Whole-Virion Inactivated Vero Cell derived platform technology. Inactivated vaccines do not replicate and are therefore unlikely to revert and cause pathological effects. They contain dead virus, incapable of infecting people but still able to instruct the immune system to mount a defensive reaction against an infection....It is a vaccine with no sub-zero storage, no reconstitution requirement, and ready to use liquid presentation in multi-dose vials, stable at 2-8oC."

https://www.bharatbiotech.com/covaxin.html


and:

What makes their vaccine, Corbevax, so special is that, well, it’s not that special. Instead of relying on newer—and more expensive—technology, such as mRNA (as in the Pfizer and Moderna vaccines) or adenovirus vectors (the Johnson & Johnson and AstraZeneca vaccines), Corbevax is a more conventional recombinant protein vaccine. It’s designed the same way as the hepatitis B vaccine and others that have been in use for decades.

Unlike many existing vaccines whose patents pose intellectual property obstacles, Corbevax will be made freely available for anyone to manufacture.

Furthermore, using a traditional, tried-and-true vaccine design, like Corbevax’s, offers benefits that newer vaccine technologies don’t. Those start with being cheap and fast to make.

Corbevax is expected to cost only about $1.50 per dose, since its supplies are cheap and easily accessible. Another advantage of Corbevax is its familiarity, for those still uneasy about newer vaccine technologies or their side effects. Recombinant protein vaccines cause far fewer reactions and have been proven safe for young children and pregnant women for many years.

Perhaps most important, however, is that any country with existing vaccine-manufacturing facilities can easily make, transport, and store Corbevax. There’s no need to build new factories, since this vaccine type is so similar to others that countries across the world already produce. The vaccine also needs only basic refrigeration—no ultra-freezing storage requirements—so there’s less risk of it spoiling in areas without reliable electricity or infrastructure.
https://www.texasmonthly.com/news-politics/covid-vaccine-corbevax-india/

Re: Novavax

[(Anonymous)]

Is that how it works - by instructing the body to make the spikes? I think it might send in a modified spike thing in for the body to recognise and create antibodies as opposed to spike proteins?

Re: Novavax

[(Anonymous)]

Thanks for the information on the traditional vaccines - if I do end up taking anything it would probably be something of that ilk. I get the impression that the old techniques might not be perfect, but that the dangers are better known than is the case with the new gene things.

Re: Novavax

[(Anonymous)]

Novavax is in the same category as Corbevax - a recombinant protein vaccine. It contains actual spike proteins and does not instruct the body to produce them.

The risk profile is going to be different from the genetic vaccines but we still don't know for sure what it is - the whole business about there needing to actually be long term studies to understand long term risks. It is a rather large dose of spike protein, in terms of number of molecules, and we know that the spike protein is not safe in terms of its effects on different tissues and systems.

Novavax is also still the old wild-type spike protein which is now almost two years behind viral evolution. And it is only the spike protein without any other viral proteins which renders it more susceptible to evasion by viral mutation. Furthermore we are rapidly reaching the point at which most people have natural immunity from exposure to the virus which is as good or better than vaccination in terms of preventing future infection.

Had Novavax been approved and scaled up instead of the genetic vaccines, perhaps we would be in a better place. Perhaps not. At this point though it's hard for me to imagine that it will do much good even if it does turn out to be significantly safer.

Mark L

Re: Novavax

[aria_aperta]

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Mark L:

Thanks for that clarification Re: how Novavax actually works (particularly that it does NOT 'manufacture' spike proteins like the others -- mRNA/viral vector shots -- do).

That aside, and speaking only for myself: If I was to be 'forced' into getting a shot at some point, which right now seems a less likely scenario (I currently have a religious exemption at work, which prevents me from going to the office but allows me to continue to work 'remotely'; it also seems the narratives Re: employer/govt vaccine mandates are beginning to move in another direction, away from overt coercion. I also am at a point where I'm willing to quit and/or become a farmer before submitting to any product against my will), I would opt for the 'traditional' vaccines I shared above, or -- given your clarification -- the Novavax shot.

It does NOT concern me how effective or useful these shots may be at this point. That's not a factor.

(side-note: I came down with Covid last month. Relatively mild symptoms. Took Ivermectin, Vit C, D, Quercetin, etc. -- was largely relieved of symptoms [mostly headaches and stuffy nose] within a week. Unvaxxed, in my mid-40s, healthy male).

Re: Novavax

[(Anonymous)]

Original poster here

I'd just like to thank anyone for your answers and comments/points - they have all been much appreciated and I've found them very useful.

I feel much better informed, and am in broad agreement with all of you I think.

I think I'll be hanging onto my unvaxxed status for a while longer :)