Open (More or Less) Post on Covid 24

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The semi-open posts  I've hosted here on the Covid-19 narrative, the inadequately tested experimental drugs for it, and the whole cascading mess surrounding them have continued to field a very high number of comments, so I'm opening yet another space for discussion. The rules are the same as before: 

1. If you plan on parroting the party line of the medical industry and its paid shills, please go away. This is a place for people to talk openly, honestly, and freely about their concerns that the party line in question is dangerously flawed and that actions being pushed by the medical industry et al. are causing injury and death. It is not a place for you to dismiss those concerns. Anyone who wants to hear the official story and the arguments in favor of it can find those on hundreds of thousands of websites.

2. If you plan on insisting that the current situation is the result of a deliberate plot by some villainous group of people or other, please go away. There are tens of thousands of websites currently rehashing various conspiracy theories about the Covid-19 outbreak and the vaccines. This is not one of them. What we're exploring is the likelihood that what's going on is the product of the same arrogance, incompetence, and corruption that the medical industry and its tame politicians have displayed so abundantly in recent decades. That possibility deserves a space of its own for discussion, and that's what we're doing here. 
 
3. If you plan on using rent-a-troll derailing or disruption tactics, please go away. I'm quite familiar with the standard tactics used by troll farms to disrupt online forums, and am ready, willing, and able -- and in fact quite eager -- to ban people permanently for engaging in them here. Oh, and I also lurk on other Covid-19 vaccine skeptic blogs, so I'm likely to notice when the same posts are showing up on more than one venue. 

4. If you don't believe in treating people with common courtesy, please go away. I have, and enforce, a strict courtesy policy on my blogs and online forums, and this is no exception. The sort of schoolyard bullying that takes place on so many other internet forums will get you deleted and banned here. No, I don't care if you disagree with that: my journal, my rules. 

With that said, as more and more vaccinated people call in sick with the disease the vaccine was supposed to keep them from getting, and the euphemism "died suddenly" sounds like a repeated drumbeat in the media, the floor is open for discussion.

Comments

[(Anonymous)]

Here in Finland one gets the impression that politicians and the elite are looking for the exist ramps now.
We don't get as much demonization of the unfoxed here as before. Reading headlines in the media, there are questions now about how many boosters are feasible. Media experts don't think it is realistic to vixenate people every 6 months. Just a few months a go you couldn't openly question the vixens at all. So something about the ”narrative” tm has shattered here at least.
Vixen passports are not sure thing either, there are serious legal problems with them...etc

It seems that the economic damage, the general loss of trust and the damage to the institutions overwhelms the desire to do ” a great reset”, for now at least. But the damage has been done none the less. There will be no return to old normal, ever again. So the ”great reset” people got that part right, but maybe not in the way they imagined.

I personally used to be an old school, working class lefty but I can't imagine ever voting for them ever again. This was the final straw for me. How can I ever trust my countrymen to be rational, when they wanted to force a medical experiment on people against their will? They even injected this poison into children just because they themselves were afraid (They found out that life was fragile and didn't like that notion). You can't have a functioning democracy when people are driven by their basic impulses, fears and desires; I think Patrick Deneens thesis was proven right emperically (not that the left will ever admit to it). So when the dust finally settles, where do we go from here?

-Juhani

[(Anonymous)]

Politicians, even very high ranking ones, often get confused for elites. I do not get the impression that the elites are heading for the exits, but the politicians sure are! You can see it in their eyes getting a little wilder. Many of them are starting to understand that they've been played as useful idiots BY the elites, and they are also realizing that they are a nice visible buffer between the pitchforks and the elites, which is not an ideal place to be positioned. Some are now trying to be the MOST useful idiot, in the hopes that they will get a seat in the life raft when it comes time (I'm looking at you Austria, Germany, France, Canada and Australia). Problem is, the elites care for them as little as they care for us, which is to say, they don't. They are happy to flush the lot of us, politicians included, when their usefulness wanes. The elites though, they aren't heading for the exits. I expect them to double down, over and over, in the coming decade. They are deadly serious, they know the score, and used to getting what they want.

[(Anonymous)]

Agreed but not all elites are in one camp. Seems every major war in human history was one group of elites against another. Judging by other things going beyond Covid, those tensions are building. I have a feeling there’s another group on high quietly pulling the rug out from the other. Truth does not hold the narrative in place, power does. If it’s really coming apart it seems plausible it’s an equal power saying dream on. :)

[(Anonymous)]

I picture it like a scene from the Godfather. A handful of families, loosely aligned in the goal of money and power, who have made it to the top of the heap. But if anyone ever shows weakness at any point, they are turned on, and get eaten. Then another family takes their place. So yeah, not one camp, but a loose confederation, with members ebbing and flowing, all willing to knife each other in the back. But above all, they agree to keep a boot on the neck of everyone in every class below them. Sounds like fun huh?

[(Anonymous)]

And at the very end, Kermit the Frog realizes the pitchforks are coming for him and that Jim Henson has just closed the exit door behind him, running as fast as he can away. Must be terrible to be a sentient puppet.

[(Anonymous)]

Speaking of puppets, a good read on puppets and scapegoats:

https://igorchudov.substack.com/p/covid-19-puppeteers-and-scapegoats

[(Anonymous)]

Thank you for the interesting comment. You are quite right pointing out that elites and politicians are often different groups. I think there are many types of elites though; Cultural ,economic, political, scientific and so on...My sense is that the economic elites are now beginning to see the damage that's being done by the 'rona measures and they are not happy. The cultural elites on the other hand basically lost their minds over this virus. The political elite wanted to ride this beast all the way to a ”great reset” in a desperate gamble to crush populism. I could be wrong, of course. I just see this entire thing as mad chaos. Yeah, the elites don't care about any of us.

-Juhani

[(Anonymous)]

I used to be one of them too...

[(Anonymous)]

A former working class lefty?

Ah there are many here among us, as old Jimi and Bob would say.... ;)

-Juhani

[(Anonymous)]

I'm another one.

Raised in a union household (both parents), and with a grandfather who had been labor organizer in the first half of the 20th century - all "FDR Democrats". Told all through my childhood that the reason we had nice things and could afford to go on vacation and have my college tuition paid for was because the unions made sure my parents got fair wages.

I don't recognize today's Democratic party.

[(Anonymous)]

I’m an environmentalist lefty raised by hippies… I don’t recognize it either…. Except the neolibs REALLY look like neocons to my eyes…

So now I usually vote green party or libertarian. Yes, it’s throwing my vote away, but with so few differences between the elephants and the asses, I figure I can afford it.

[(Anonymous)]

Hi Juahni

Thank you for posting, I really appreciate reading about what's happening in Finland. I am very glad to hear that things seem to be calming down.

You write: "How can I ever trust my countrymen to be rational, when they wanted to force a medical experiment on people against their will? They even injected this poison into children just because they themselves were afraid"

That's how I see it, too. I feel very, very wary.

Taupe Cantankerous Hedgehog

[(Anonymous)]

Hello Mr Hedgehog and thank you.

Yeah. I am very wary as well.
All these ”educated and upstanding citizens” fell for demagogues themselves, because they were afraid. So 2 or 3 years from now, do we pretend that it didn't happen so that we can get on with our lives?

-Juhani

[(Anonymous)]

Juhani, I hope you're right! I have trouble seeing which way the scales will tip in Finland, but I share your sense that the direction might not be the worst. The omicron variant sure is causing confusion, though; while there's a general acceptance of its mildness (and the benefit of suffering the mild symptoms in exchange for robust immunity) I don't think I've seen as many masks in the supermarket since 2020.

And yeah, party politics. I just thought about that this morning and came to the tentative conclusion that perhaps the best way for me to vote from now on is to try to find a candidate that seems to display at least a sliver of wisdom and ability to transcend off-the-shelf abstractions, (almost) regardless of party affiliation. Don't know if I have the energy or motivation to do the work required to find one of those, though (if they even exist!).

[(Anonymous)]

Hello!

Nice to hear from a fellow countryman(or a woman).
Yes! Something has shifted. You sense it too?

I have this..I don't know what to call it..I liken it to Lord of the Rings, when sometimes the characters get an intuition that something has changed, or changing. I get that type of feeling in my gut ”I sense that the ”World is changed...I feel it in the air” – Galadriel
Not very scientific, I know. But you can also get that type of impression just by reading the headlines in the media. There seems to be some serious pushback now. Which then leads me to believe that behind the scenes, not everyone is on board with what's going on. Besides, it is difficult to keep crazy levels of hysteria going for years on end. People will get exhausted.

But you are quite right; There will be lot's of confusion and chaos ahead. I have no doubt of that.

Party politics: Yes, ditching party politics might be the way to go. I've done that a couple of times before and ended up voting for, well bascially ordinary working class folk.

-Juhani

[(Anonymous)]

Hi Juhani!

I don't know, just as you feel a hint of fresh air you scroll through the paper and find articles like this:

-The city of Helsinki is worried about low enthusiasm for the booster among people over 60. They are going to start contacting those who haven't showed up on time. A health professional is quoted as saying (paraphrased): "it is now clear that 3 shots provide the best protection against infection."

-A derogatory piece on a protest, essentially writing the protesters off as conspiracy theorists, racists or worse.

So, while it's clear that common sense is spreading it seems like the establishment and the media are doubling down. And the thing is, in my experience the Finnish people are, on average, not very prone to questioning authority, quite the opposite.

Still, we'll see how it goes!

-Tommy

[(Anonymous)]

Hi Tommy.

Yes, your observation regarding Finnish people is 100% accurate. It is so bizarre that people here dislike politicians (those liars!, they often say) but then trust the government implicitly. It is something I may never understand. There's something really tragic about Finnish people in this sense. In Finland authorities can abuse people for a long time and peole will still trust them.

Helsinki is like the Mordor of Finland as far as I am concerned. The eye of Sauron is upon anyone who lives there. So it doesn't surprise me if the media there is 100% pro vixens and what not. I personally can't stomach reading media beyond the headlines anyways.

- Juhani

[(Anonymous)]

Haha, yes, venturing beyond the headlines is perilous for your general well-being these days! I try to force myself regurarly, though, but in moderate doses.

Greetings from Mordor!