Magic Monday
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Planetary Charity
Date: 2021-11-22 05:06 am (UTC)I’ve had some success over the last few years with planetary charity, and I thought perhaps a petition to Saturn to ease her passage might help.
Unfortunately there is no way to gain her consent. She only has the vaguest idea about what is happening to her which is a blessing, but even if I could explain it in a way that she could understand, moving on to the concept of planetary charity seems well beyond the boundaries of the possible.
I know that this would normally end matters there but as it happens I recently became her legal guardian in matters concerning any health or welfare decisions. The paperwork was filed some time back during a period when she could understand and consent to me doing that for her when the time came. So in effect I now have the same legal relationship with her as that of the parent of a toddler. This is not just a mere legality, I have had to make serious life changing decisions on her behalf, based on by best understanding of her wishes.
Do you think that this is sufficient for me to undertake the ritual anyway? If so, would Saturn appropriate?
Andy
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Date: 2021-11-22 05:07 am (UTC)Thank you very much for this weekly venue and the community you have carefully built around it. It has been tremendously spiritually valuable for me.
As for the questions, as I often have, here's something of a grab-bag, and I welcome any thoughts from the commentariat as well.
1) For meditation themes, what is your approach to balancing between following a schedule you have set ahead of time (e.g. "I will meditate on each aicme of the Ogham for 3 days") and meditating on potential themes that seem to present themselves (e.g. a seemingly portentous dream, a puzzling divination reading, a striking thought from your reading, etc.)?
2) You mentioned in a previous MM that the mind can tell apart products of visual imagination brought on by reading or listening from reality, but it doesn't truly make that distinction with visual images. That made me wonder: in a world with much less visual media (meaning, most of human history), were the few (usually religious) visual images likely to have a much more potent effect and to be felt as more consciously real? For some reason, the story that comes to mind is the Christian who viewed the ceremony of the Eleusinian mysteries and basically went "what, it's just a sheaf of wheat?" I don't think that story has a particularly strong "saturation of visual media" component, but the idea that his preconditions to not take the ritual seriously meant it didn't affect him strongly struck me as potentially related.
3) Related to the above: any thoughts on how the mind does with telling apart "products of imagination" versus "images seen with the eyes" when those images are the product of your imagination (such as a drawing you did yourself)?
4) Astrology has taken something of a backseat in my magical development to date, and I suspect it will continue to do so as I work through the DMH and its symbolism. Are there any Pareto Principle-type pieces of knowledge/behaviors (e.g. the 20% of behaviors responsible for the 80% of results) that anyone working on magic ought to know even if not learning astrological magic? I'm thinking something like "okay, you should at least make sure to avoid doing any rituals on the day of such-and-such or the hour of so-an-so". If the answer is "nope, you'll actually have to learn it if you want to avoid the pitfalls and reap the benefits", well, there's something to look forward to learning down the road!
5) I assume the answer to this is "prayer and meditation to find out what's up", but just in case you or any of the commentariat have further thoughts, something odd that's been happening to me: for the last several weeks, I have run especially into delays and other travel hindrances on Wednesdays (accidents blocking traffic, construction blocking lanes, trains stopped at crossings, other drivers going slow/acting confused/cutting me off). Now, some of this is surely due to the fact that I currently only go to the office on MWF, so Wednesday is one of the days where I can encounter such things at all. On the other hand, the fact that Wednesday is the day of Woden, who is a traveler and equated with Mercury in the Interpretatio Romana, and that Woden is a God whom I especially worship, makes me stop and wonder "what is he trying to tell me?" So, other than appropriate offerings, prayers for guidance, and meditating on the symbolism of traveling, delays, and blockages, any other thoughts on what this might mean or what I should do?
6) I had a dream where I was surprised that my wife said something about "Hu the Mighty", who I went on to explain was a Druid Revival God. Hu Himself did not show up in the dream, other than as a topic of discussion. To date, I have not prayed to Hu the Mighty or invoked him in my magic. Besides that I should meditate on it, any recommendations on what I might do or look into as a result of this dream?
Thanks very much,
Jeff
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Date: 2021-11-22 05:25 am (UTC)2) Yes, very much so.
3) It depends on how clear, intense, and focused your imagination is.
4) Nope, you'll actually have to learn it if you want to avoid the pitfalls and reap the benefits. ;-)
5) Planetary charity directed to Mercury would seem very sensible!
6) Hmm! Dream interpretation isn't something I do, so I'll leave this to the commentariat.
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Date: 2021-11-22 05:26 am (UTC)What books on occult philosophy would you recommend for beginners?
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Date: 2021-11-22 05:34 am (UTC)1. So I did it. To my astonishment on my first asking of it, I received a positive reading to go ahead and perform the calling on the spirit below ritual. I honestly did not think I was ready, but the ogham was quite firm in its opinion. I did the ritual and I think it worked insofar as there certainly rose something up to the grove. Like water. But I do not know if I was successful in taking it in. How can I tell that it had an effect?
2. I have been mulling over the covid open posts. Especially the Mathias Desmet stuff about mass formation. And your comment in one of your posts years ago. “Who is the hero that will forge a (some weapon) out of the rays of the sun and pirce the darkness. Why, you are”
2.a I am assuming this mass formation around the fusion of general ankseiety and a convinient problem is building an egregire? On what level is it? Is it astral in nature?
2. b can such a beast be countered. To use your sentance. Couldit be “lanced, wounded” by an appropriate tool. And so deflate/wither.
2. c is this even possible, or is the only option really to wait it out untill it destroys itself? Experts like Dion Fortune did it like that inww2.
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Date: 2021-11-22 05:50 am (UTC)2) My guess, though this is still only a guess, is that yes, an egregor has been created around the whole virus panic, and it's a very destructive one. Egregors are always astral phenomena. My guess, though it's only a guess, is that this one is the vehicle for a lot of very ugly collective karma, and so the only thing we can do is distance ourselves from it and invoke positive energies, in exactly the way that Dion Fortune did.
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From:Musical response
Date: 2021-11-22 06:37 am (UTC)I tried it and had an an interesting reaction ... tried a few others today when they followed up and still the same interesting response. There were some good instrumentals involved but when I listened to any of the songs I got a sensation on both of my arms like a combination of hair raising and numbness (and while I was typing afterwards it felt a bit like I was not using my own arms / like they had been temporarily separated from my body) plus a strange pseudo burning sensation in my chest ... *not* a reaction I commonly have to music.
Is that related to anything in this wheelhouse perchance?
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Date: 2021-11-22 06:40 am (UTC)I hope this week once more finds you well. As I write, the Santa Anas are blowing about, at the end of a rather trying week. I have a few questions for you, and am hoping that you or the commentariat might be able to shed light on them.
1) Can one do a geomancy spread for one's birth chart, or once that time is over, the chance is gone forever?
2) Today my area had a scheduled power outage, and so there was no electricity for most of the day. While I did not appreciate the loss to my refrigerator, the rest of the day was wonderfully quiet. I was able to focus on reading, sincerely enjoying what I was doing instead of doing something with electricity and having to distract myself from the lack of enjoyment I am taking from it. In fact, I felt rather uncomfortable when the power came back on! Is this a common feeling to have as one tries to disentangle from this "current" world?
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Date: 2021-11-22 07:01 am (UTC)2) Sensitivity to electromagnetic radiation (EMR) is far more common than anyone in authority wants to admit, and ordinary AC electricity sends out EMR. I wonder if that was what you sensed.
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From:Some Qs
Date: 2021-11-22 06:56 am (UTC)Thank you for your guidance; it’s an unbelievable gift that you’re willing to help students along the path who are working with your published instruction. It’s rare to be able to ask an author for clarification and it’s rare in life to be given straightforward and useful answers to questions in general.
On my mind this week:
1. I’ve been a fan of David Lynch since around 1991. I’ve been curious about his Transcendental Meditation practice since I first heard about it. I’m not a practitioner and don’t have any interest in it; I agree with you there’s enough in the classic Western tradition to render no real need to go looking elsewhere. Hearing him talk about TM, and having now some years background in occult practice, I find there seems to be some usefulness to TM, but my suspicion is that it’s a bunny-slope approach. His description of diving within to the Unified Field, which he equates with God, the Kingdom of Heaven, the true self, etc seems similar to cabalistic ideas, except the metaphors are reversed: diving rather than rising. His notion that the method is effortless goes against everything about spiritual practice I’ve experienced, whether discursive mediation, ritual magic, or Christian worship, all of which take a great deal of effort to produce any result whatsoever, in my experience. What are your thoughts about TM?
2. I’ve taken to heart your advice last week about your working around your published material. So much so that I happened upon a website that I thought would contain an interview with you, but I realized as I was reading it, that it was an excerpt from a book I’m aware you’ve published, but haven’t read or bought before. So I went and purchased the book. Even though I didn’t intentionally go there to steal anything, I felt it was better to err on the side of caution. My question is about samples. I’ve stopped reading any books I’ve downloaded from the internet that I could instead purchase, and only read books I haven’t paid for if I can be quite sure they’re in the public domain or are offered by someone in good faith like the Candle Magic pdf you posted recently. But I have samples of books I’ve downloaded from Amazon. I tend to download these samples they offer to help me make a decision whether to buy the book or not. I have, for example, a sample of The Celtic Golden Dawn, which is not a system I’m working with, but was curious about purchasing. What are your thoughts about these samples and how they tie in or don’t tie in to your working?
3. How would you do a divination before a working? What question would you ask and what would the spread be? Can you give an example?
4. If a friend asks you to housesit and to do something to banish unwanted spirits from their apartment, would praying the rosary and reciting the Daily Office (morning and night) in their apartment for one week function similarly to performing the LBRP plus the Rose Cross ritual back to back every day that week? Or would the effects be different? How do?
5. Piggybacking on the above question; if I decide (after divining and meditating) to use ceremonial magic rather than just giving advice about the problem (guidance on this already came through to me from an earlier divination), but I’m out of practice doing anything stronger than the LBRP lately, would a working of doing the LBRP and the Rose Cross every day for a week have any dangers? Too hard, too fast?
Thanks again,
- Translucent Insipid Curmudgeon
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Date: 2021-11-22 07:12 am (UTC)1) TM is bunny slope stuff. It's very simple mantra meditation, using one of a list of short mantras assigned by age and gender.
2) Samples are fine. Amazon's skeevy about a lot of things but they're fairly careful to keep the samples within legal limits.
3) I'd use the question "Is (describe the working) appropriate for me to do at this time?" If I were doing it with a card deck, I'd use a simple three-card spread: the first is me, the second the working, the third the outcome.
4) Good question. Since I'm not a Christian I don't happen to know much about the spiritual effects of saying the Office and praying the rosary. Anyone else?
5) No, those are good basic rituals and should be safe for you to do.
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Date: 2021-11-22 07:27 am (UTC)Following up on your comments on another post about astral gunk which comes and goes, I've been noticing that too.
I've also been seeing entities that come out of trees and other things in my local area. They move around and hide, but as soon as I actually look for them they're not there. I even saw a two-foot man dressed in black walk into a black parking bollard and vanish into it. One of the tree entities visited me in my dreams to check me out and see if I was trying to capture them. Seemed to think I was OK. They seem like very happy, positive entities. This is all very unusual. Might these things be related to the astral gunk?
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Date: 2021-11-22 09:25 am (UTC)1. In the DMH, it isn't explicitly stated anywhere, but I wonder if it's a worthwhile to scry the Stations of the Wheel themselves, and not just the paths between them? (I've already meditated on them)
2. I'm about to do pathworking for Ailm, so it will be my first time going from a Station to the Central Grove. In the DMH, there is no instruction about what pentagram to invoke when going to the Central Grove. My guess is that is because the Central Grove represents the world of ordinary experience, therefore no pentagram is required. But before I go forward, I wanted to double-check!
3. Yesterday I noticed a dull ache in what I would describe as the small of my belly below my belly button and just below the belt line. It's still there today. It could have physical causes, but a flash of intuition told me it could be an energy center, and some searching online told me it could be the sacral chakra. I don't know what name this energy center has in the DMH tradition.
But reading about what that energy center regulates made me wonder: are there relationships between energy centers and Jungian archetypes? For example, creativity seems to be associated with both the sacral chakra and the anima?
Many thanks!
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Date: 2021-11-22 08:22 pm (UTC)2) That's correct.
3) Hmm. The sacral center is very low down, close to where your sacrum is (that's also called your tailbone, if that helps). Below the belly button and just below the belt line sounds like the lowest of the three cauldrons to me, but your mileage may vary. Yes, energy centers can relate to archetypes.
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Date: 2021-11-22 09:56 am (UTC)I’ve done some research to start exploring this but have hit a wall as I’m not familiar with the scope of resources are available in English on the four humors - and are also of good quality.
What books would you recommend?
Taupe Hibernating Yucca
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Date: 2021-11-22 10:15 am (UTC)—Princess Cutekitten
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Date: 2021-11-22 10:26 am (UTC)As ever, your wise guidance would be very welcome.
Having taken up magic a couple of years ago, very late in life, I have wandered around a bit before settling happily on a (mostly observed) daily ritual of the LBRP with the Cabalistic Cross , the MP Exercise, fourfold breathing and an invocation to a planet and its angel. I have also been working my way very slowly through the OSA exercises. So I’m not idle, and I think I’m making slow but definite progress. It’s a question of where I go from here: if not straight away, then before too long.
As between the pursuit of magic as a type of personal development to acquire wisdom, and its pursuit to actually achieve things, I fall into the latter camp for personality reasons. However, whilst I would never describe my domestic environment as hostile, it’s also true that it’s effectively impossible, for practical reasons, for me to create temples, use candles or incense, buy and use talismans for workings and so forth. In reality, I’m pretty much limited to my imagination, what I can do with books and to whatever I can do by way of physical movements and exercises.
I realise that that already includes quite a lot already, but I’m thinking of the next few years. If circumstances remain the same (which they will, I think) how can I best make more progress with practical magic?
Thank you.
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Date: 2021-11-22 11:52 am (UTC)Tidlösa, Sweden
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Date: 2021-11-22 10:34 pm (UTC)Faustian civilization is Piscean in its relation to matter -- it seeks to conquer matter but also to flee from it, the two fishes swimming in opposite directions -- and more generally in its desperate entrapment by binaries. The task of the Aquarian age will be to bring the binaries into balance -- the two fishes transformed into the two waves of the Aquarius symbol, moving in parallel.
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Date: 2021-11-22 11:54 am (UTC)Why do ghosts of the recently departed often appear *fully dressed*? Is it some kind of hallucination even according to occult philosophy, or is something else going on?
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Date: 2021-11-22 11:59 am (UTC)In the comment section of a different post you mentioned gunk from the lower astral plane moving to the etheric plane and eventually the physical plane. My questions:
1. In general, is this something that occurs as a cycle (like spring following winter?) or
2. Is this caused by say human activity and, if so, what would bring this about?
3. Some other explanation?
Thanks for taking the time to host this forum.
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Date: 2021-11-22 12:21 pm (UTC)Without thinking about it, I mentally very firmly cast aside my lower self and invoked my Higher Self. It came with a change in consciousness, for sure.
Until Saturday, I spent the week not letting my health issues bother me. I was a gracious and joyful wife. I felt more like myself than I have in a good long while. I was focused and finished my current book.
1. What did I actually do?
2. Is there a ritual for this in the DMH-DA system?
3. I felt awesome, but was this somehow unsafe? Thank you.
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Date: 2021-11-22 10:43 pm (UTC)2) Not really. A lot of the work in the system is there to make it possible for you to do that, but you have to do it yourself -- as indeed you did.
3) Unsafe? Not at all. You're beginning to awaken to your own inner power. Keep doing it.
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From:The Fae and the fox
Date: 2021-11-22 12:28 pm (UTC)Thanks and best wishes
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Date: 2021-11-22 10:47 pm (UTC)Prayers to Apollo
Date: 2021-11-22 12:35 pm (UTC)I currently have Kimberly's rendition of his Orphic hymn, and my own sung version of Archaic Torso of Apollo by Rainer Maria Rilke.
I'm praying to Apollo-Belenus, so if anyone has Beli recs, I welcome those also. Thank you in advance.
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Date: 2021-11-22 10:57 pm (UTC)The Wikipedia page on them is pretty good: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kouros
Hunting magic?
Date: 2021-11-22 01:05 pm (UTC)In the last few years I've taken up hunting to help close the distance between me and my food, among other reasons. Can you suggest any practices or resources related to promoting a successful hunt? I understand an appeal to the appropriate deities is one approach. Are there any others?
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Date: 2021-11-22 10:49 pm (UTC)Psychic vampires
Date: 2021-11-22 01:06 pm (UTC)In several books (fictional novels) by fairly high-profile authors, and multiple films in the past 5 years or so, there is a trope of psychically-gifted children being abducted and drained of their life force to prolong the lives of shadowy groups or individuals, who live for centuries and use their extended lifespans to accumulate enormous amounts of wealth and power. Psychic children were targeted either due to having higher reserves of energy, or that energy being easier to detect or harvest.
To some extent, this could just be seen as a modern version of the Victorian vampire story (not the 'true' vampire myths), with rich nobles feeding on the youth of the poor (itself an analogy for aristocracy in general), but I've been wondering if there is more to it.
A common aspect appears to be hynotising the children to trap them initially, and then torturing them so that they release more of their life force.
I have definitely met people who I would describe as low-grade psychic vampires (of the type you've mentioned on previous Magic Mondays), who emotionally drain you after tedious or stressful conversation, but this would be on a different scale.
Obviously don't share any details, as I really, really don't want to know how to do so, but would such a thing be possible? Could there be pockets of psychic vampires existing around the world?
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