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steam powered computerThese days an enormous amount of old occult literature is available in PDF format. For ecological reasons, I'd prefer not to print out everything on paper, and it gets old having to sit at my computer desk rather than lounging on the couch, so I'm considering picking up some kind of electronic e-reader for the purpose. The difficulty, of course, is that I'm about twenty years out of date when it comes to technology and I have no idea what's available. 

What I'm looking for is a simple device that will allow me to read PDFs. I don't want it to be connected to the internet if I can avoid that, and I certainly don't want it to be dependent on one of the big predatory internet firms; I can get all the books I want from archive.org and iapsop.com, and I'm not averse from using USB drives to get them to my e-reader. 

Do such devices exist? Have you used one? Would you recommend it? Inquiring Druids want to know. 

(If I can get it used, that would be a plus -- I prefer to get all my technology that way, to keep things out of the e-waste stream..)
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Date: 2021-11-14 12:58 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] deng
I hate that my kindle paperwhite opens to a 'home page' of 'recommended' books that is nothing more than an add page.

I hate that it makes money for a evil rich old bald guy who flys metal dongs into space.

I hate that it is an amazon product.

I hate that amazon knows what I'm reading and when I'm reading it.

I hate that it stirs up so much hate in me.

I hate that it is the best e reader on the market.

I hate that it is so easy to send PDF files to my kindle account and Bezos will convert them to kindle format for me.

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Date: 2021-11-14 01:02 am (UTC)
From: [personal profile] tamanous2020
Hi JMG,

The best simple e-reader out there, outside of the big tech firm ones, is the Kobo Clara HD. It still allows for internet access but that is easily disabled. The device is useful when it comes to renting e-books from public libraries and you can move pdf files to it via your home computer.

https://www.pcmag.com/reviews/kobo-clara-hd

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Date: 2021-11-14 01:23 am (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
You can turn the internet off on most devices but Amazon's Kindle is moving towards more connectivity in the name of combatting piracy. I don't know about other e-readers.

I use a small tablet but tablets all have grubby operating systems.

Kindle

Date: 2021-11-14 01:32 am (UTC)
From: [personal profile] weilong
I bought the original Kindle several years ago for similar reasons. I wanted to read books out of copyright from project gutenberg and the like.

It has wifi, but that can be turned off. You can use a USB cable and some free software to get pdf or epub books onto it.

The screen is black and white e-ink, not an LCD. It is easy on the eyes and you can read it in full sunlight. Battery life is great - like a week or two between charges.

I'm really happy with it. Problem is, I don't think they make them anymore. The new kindles have color touchscreens, to be an ipad competitor. Maybe you can find one used somewhere. You can't have mine; I'm not parting with it.

It's a personal thing....

Date: 2021-11-14 01:37 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] drhooves
I tried a few things like reading data on my smart phone, a medium sized Android tablet, and some ereaders. I finally settled on a Kindle Paperwhite/Voyager, which I prefer due to its light weight.

Surprisingly I found the weight a big problem with even "lighter" tablets, which I have problems reading anyway. The Kindle is geared towards reading, of course, and doesn't have color. You can manually load books/files on to it via USB, but of course it's more user-friendly when staying inside the Amazon moat, and downloading things from their website.

It supports the mobi and newer Amazon formats, and PDF, txt, doc and html - BUT NOT epub. However, I use Calibre on my Linux desktop to convert EPUB files as necessary. The charge lasts a few weeks, though mine is 5 years old now and the charge isn't lasting quite as long. You can get them used/refurbished on Amazon's web site for under $100 (some I see for $60 out there).

Mine "only" has 8 GB of storage, but that's plenty since I hook it up to my PC at least once per month, and most books and docs are only a few MB.

My advice would be to see if you can borrow some other ereader brands, or a tablet if you think you may like that (a lot of people love to surf on their tablets). I'm not a fan of Apple products, but they are very popular as well. I'd prefer to have a bland, monochrome Android device with Calibre embedded on it, but I don't think that exists.



My experience with my e-reader

Date: 2021-11-14 01:43 am (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
I have only used the Rakuten Kobo, but it serves my needs well.
The display uses electronic paper, which makes it better for reading.
It consumes a lot less juice, so your battery will last for many hours before needing a recharge.
You can set the font, and font size, and alter the 'warmth' of the paper.

In my experience, PDFs may not always be formatted properly on the reader. They can be read, but expect to see line breaks in place of justified text. It depends on how the PDF was created.

Sites like this one provide e-books with proper formatting, which will look good on e-readers:
https://standardebooks.org/

The Kobo is wireless enabled, but this can be turned off. (Also conserves power when it's off).
You don't need to purchase books, and it offers software updates that usually improve the features. My device has 6 GB of memory, and uses a USB cable to transfer books.

Whichever model you choose, I highly recommend them. They are designed specifically for books.

Ereader

Date: 2021-11-14 01:45 am (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
Something like a kindle e reader. Download via wifi then turn off the wifi. Simple and has a decent reading screen. Easier on the eyes than tablet.

You could use a drive but afaik anything with a drive will have internet access.

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Date: 2021-11-14 01:48 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] methylethyl
I know river-in-Brazil is beastly, but I do have a refurbished Kindle Paperwhite for that purpose. It *can* be used wirelessly, but it's not obligatory to use it that way. I usually keep in "airplane mode" which turns off the wireless. I got it particularly to read public-domain books from Gutenberg, that I couldn't afford to purchase.

You can download PDFs on it and read them without any special workarounds. And the simplest way to download anything onto it is to first download to your desktop, then plug the ereader in with a USB cord, and copy the books/texts to the device. Nothing complicated.

The main reason I went with the Paperwhite (not something from a less evil company) is because it's the only ereader I could find with a flat, black-and-white LCD screen that is not backlit. It does have a light around the edge of the screen that you can turn on to shine *onto* the screen for reading at night or in dark closets, but no lights shining directly in your face, which reduces eyestrain considerably (I flat cannot read book-length text on a regular screen. Makes my eyes go sideways). There may be other non-backlit LCD readers on the market by now, I haven't kept up, but they are worth having. Particularly if you're not planning to use the device to cruise the internet or watch videos (it can *sort of* access the internet, but definitely can't do video).

Downsides:

1) If your book has color pictures, tough luck. No color.
2) If you do choose to use it for wireless things, River-in-Brazil will, once in a blue moon, randomly update the software and change the way your "library" appears on the screen. Mildly annoying, but so far has only happened to me once in about five years. They're much lazier about software updates than your typical default computer OS.
3) all the usual annoyances of touch-screens. Touch it just the wrong way, and instead of advancing a page, suddenly you're in the settings menu, or highlighting something, or consulting a dictionary, or you've gone ahead three pages.

Kindle

Date: 2021-11-14 01:51 am (UTC)
From: [personal profile] weilong
Follow-up on the kindle: It looks like they still make one called the Paperwhite. Amazon sells refurbished units for about $90. It looks like you can get some older ones on ebay, but they're not much cheaper.

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Date: 2021-11-14 02:08 am (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
Hi Greer,

Any used reader will do what you want (even the Amazon one can usb to open source software for easy transfers, I use calibre). But, be aware that many (all?) PDFs can't be rescaled dynamically. In essence, you are browsing a jpg picture of each page, and it wont look great or be pleasant to read at all.

On the other hand, if your files are in a dedicated ereader format (.mobi etc) or even Word/text files, the reader can scale the text correctly, page changing will work and you can make the text giant if your eyesight requires it.

Used kindles are basically free, my one is 10 years old and still works, but battery only last two weeks instead of a month.

If you *have* to read PDFs, you will probably need a bigger tablet sized device as opposed to the 'paperback' sized readers. And even then, it may not be great to read. The automatic pdf to emobi conversion tools can work, but expect plenty of transcription errors.

Hope this helps,
Damian

I'm no Expert...

Date: 2021-11-14 02:16 am (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
Maybe you can get an old iPad or other tablet with a comfortably large screen that you can connect to your refurbished salvaged desktop computer. Keep the WiFi turned off... I purchased both my iPad Pros as 'open box' items. I guess you can read the PDFs in Adobe Acrobat? Good luck. May Our Lady smile upon your quest.

Casey

Onyx Boox

Date: 2021-11-14 02:18 am (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
I’m very happy with my Onyx Boox. I get the big one which is about an A4 sized screen, excellent for displaying old PDFs.

They are based in Asia though, could be more pricey in the US.

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Date: 2021-11-14 02:50 am (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
Any tablet will open PDF files... you could maybe pick up a used one off craigslist?

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Date: 2021-11-14 02:52 am (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
There are a few issues here, and one device is probably not going to do what you want.

A big one is the PDF requirement. Devices with e-ink displays (which are much nicer for reading on, like Kindles etc) tend to have small displays and the PDF format is a print format - ie it has a fixed size and scale - so does not re-scale at all well to the small screens of most readily available devices. Larger e-ink devices are just coming onto the market but are still very expensive (and locked down). Thus if you want an actual e-ink device, then you'll need to read books in e-pub format which can rescale to the screen (and also to your needs - I read with large fonts) - many have been converted and are freely available on Project Gutenberg.

As to devices, if you want something that is relatively flexible a well supported then I suggest something from the Kobo range of e-ink readers. Kobo firmware is quite readily hackable and so far they haven't shown any indication of changing that. You will need a desktop computer with Calibre (free software) to manage the content via a USB cable, but that is easy enough. PDFs can be read on them, but it is very very clunky (and small!). And I would buy new - the earlier generation devices have old firmware that tends to limit what can be done somewhat, and also the batteries are fixed so will be wearing out. The good news is that a new e-ink reader will last much longer than a tablet or equivalent computer.

The alternative is a tablet with an LCD display (like a computer). Not anywhere near as good for reading on, the battery life is poor, and the older the device the worse the support and performance. I have an iPad, and have had many android tablets. They are all locked down in one way or another that severely limits how they can be used. Nowadays I have gone back to a lightweight Macbook for (literal) laptop use as the software is reasonable and so much more flexible in what can be done. PDFs are not problem. Ebooks are no problems. Whatever really, it is just a computer. Battery life is not great, so a charger handy is a must - but you do not need to have any active internet connection. For second hand, on the Macbook front they peaked in quality around 2015, so that vintage or before is best (2016-2019 are junk). For new, the M1 Macbook Air is an astounding device - long battery life and extremely performant. With an external keyboard and monitor it would also easily do your day-to-day computing for all the foreseeable future if you wanted.

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Date: 2021-11-14 02:53 am (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
Hi John

Most tablet computers support pdf readers and often come with them installed. I use an Android device with a mini SD card to store the files. You can also get an adapter that accepts the mini SD and can be hooked into an USB slot on a regular computer, that way you can transfer a file from your computer to the tablet without putting the tablet on the internet.

Just a suggestion

Raymond R

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Date: 2021-11-14 03:01 am (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
A rugged tablet was my first thought – ones designed for military use are on the market. It would last and have enough power to run good pdf readers. Also, the screens of ruggedized tablets and laptops are adjustable for outdoor use – a nice feature if you have a favorite park bench.

I use a ruggedized phone at work for voice and aps. They hold up.

My second thought was a portable microfilm reader. I’ve seen pictures of one that used an ordinary lightbulb and had an array of plug adapters and even jumper-cable clips for use with a car battery. One model supposedly had the bulb on a removable tray for the lightbulb that could be replaced with a candle in a lantern-like holder. (Rumors only on that, no data.)

Printers for plastic film already exist. Perhaps one of the tech gurus in the commentariat would know if any have the resolution for microfilm?

Rhydlyd

E-Reader

Date: 2021-11-14 03:09 am (UTC)
From: [personal profile] lainiep
I hope you are well. Have a look at Rakuten Kobo e-readers. They have the look and feel of Amazon Paperwhite Kindle readers, which mimic looking at a conventionally printed page, but, obviously, are not owned by Amazon. (Though Rakuten is a big company in its own right.) The Elipsa range actually allows you to make notes on .pdf files if that is important to you. Unlike tablets, you don't have the distraction of multiple apps that do things other than help you to read something.

As for the rest: I have an older Kindle Paperwhite which I'd be willing to give to you if you wanted it. It's pretty good for reading .pdfs, but I understand if you don't want the Amazon connection. Another option is to try to get a tablet of some sort. You can download e-reader apps to the tablet and then upload your .pdf files for reading later. If you have a library card, you may find that your library also has an e-book lending system that works with both Kindle and other tablet apps for your reading pleasure.

I hope this helps.

Portable devices I have known...

Date: 2021-11-14 03:10 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] jpc_w
I can think of three types of portables that meet your requirements: e-ink e-readers, tablets, and laptops. As a rule of thumb, small screens render PDF documents badly.

e-ink e-readers:

I have tested an old Kobo e-reader with Calibre to load the documents from a PC. Mine was a small model that didn't render well, but modern 8" models render better. With Calibre and a cable the device never needs to connect to a network.

Supposedly newer Kindle e-readers can handle PDFs, but I have not tested them. Calibre supports sending documents to them.

There are other e-ink ereaders out there, but I've had no exposure to them. Calibre supports many of them.

tablets:

Tablet form factor PCs frequently have USB ports. Since you already use Windows there won't be a learning curve. Excellent PDF reader support. These are hard to find on the refurb market.

Android tablets and iPads are not a good fit for your needs. They can be made to work without the internet, but don't generally have simple USB stick support.

laptops:
The other portable option are laptop PCs. Virtually every device in this class will have USB ports, and all will have PDF document reader options and word processing software. Many options in the refurb market.

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Date: 2021-11-14 03:10 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] jprussell
A few options to consider, though I don't think any are ideal given your parameters:

1. Older Kindles should be available dirt cheap and despite the default way they want you to use them, they are not entirely dependent on Amazon. You can transfer files to them via a USB cord. This is the method I currently use for ebooks, when I don't read them on my computer. I'm still using my 2nd generation Kindle, which has a non-backlit screen, and the only thing I use the wifi for is to download ebooks I have bought through Amazon (something I'm working on getting away from). The older ones also have non-backlit screens, which is easier on the eyes than the LED screens on tablets. One caveat: not super great resolution for images, so PDFs of older texts that are mostly made up of images of the pages (which I reckon is most of your target PDFs) might not be as readable on this as on other options.

2. A slightly more extreme example, and not used, is the "Open Book", which is an open-source hardware ereader. It's meant to be a fairly simple DIY project, at least if you're comfortable with a bit of soldering, but I think some folks have put some up for sale. Here's an article explaining with links to the developer who wrote the software that makes it work: https://itsfoss.com/open-book/ .

3. Other than that, all that I can think of is a used Android tablet with the wifi turned off. It would have a lot built-in that you don't need, but ought to be pretty readily available and for not too much money


I'll be interested to see what other folks

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Date: 2021-11-14 03:30 am (UTC)
From: [personal profile] youngelephant
Hmm this is an interesting problem. I've spent a few minutes searching for e-readers/pdf readers without internet connection and can't find anything. I use an old Kindle Paperwhite that almost always stays in airplane mode which I acquired before I soured on the "river company". I know that doesn't check all your boxes but I'm sure you could find one used if nothing else turns up. It does provide a nice reading experience for most pdf's.

I like my old kindle

Date: 2021-11-14 03:46 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] yellopig
I have a really old kindle. I rarely connected it to the Internet, and because of that I missed a software update, and now I cannot connect to the Internet.

BUT I could connect it to my computer (via USB cable), and the computer just thought it was a big disk drive. So I could copy kindle-compatible files to it from the computer and they show up on the device's index. (Other brands probably work the same.)

Gutenburg & archive.org provide most books in kindle/mobi format, which is a bit more convenient than PDFs, re navigation within the book. I think kindle will also show you PDFs too, but they're not as convenient to get around in.

Unfortunately, my old computer forgot how to see mass-storage USB devices, so I'm not using the kindle at the moment. When I get a new computer (soon—fingers crossed!), I'll go back to the kindle for books (rather than the iPad), because I liked how light-weight and energy efficient the kindle is, in comparison.

Old, defunct kindles like mine are dirt cheap.

falling into a rabbit hole

Date: 2021-11-14 03:46 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] chaosadventurer
For basic reading whether on the go on relaxing on the couch, a tablet of some kind would be what you are looking for. 'Star Trek: Next Generation' showed the Data Pad style early on before the tech caught up. Hand Brain is what other fiction has called then.
There are many type of tablets, some very much stuck in a gated community (Apple being the worst culprit) there are many that can be well used independent of the internet for long stretches with loading ones electronic media over a USB cable from your computer.
You have the general use tablets on one side, some that are full Cell phones, others that are 'just' WiFi models, where the main operating system is either Android or iOS. Then there are focused e-readers, many that use e-ink rather than the illuminated colour screen. Some have their own OS, while some become full Android devices. All I've seen have a degree of wanting to call home at least once and a while.

E-ink has the advantage of being much easier on the eyes while consuming much less power (I can got more than a month of heavy reading between charges). This is how I do much of my reading with a Kobo. I can load PDF's with variable success, as it is more natively an ePub format reader. I have been able to readily load ePubs independent of the Kobo mother-ship just fine as well as the unlocked MOBI formats.
We can use an open source tool called Calibre to convert between the formats of computer generated content and you will find many places that have ePub along with PDF.

For PDFs of scanned materials, a tablet may be your better bet, just at the need for more frequent charging, and harder on the eyes.

Project Gutenberg is a great source of ebooks in most formats.

In many ways you will have to see what is actually available at your local tech resale offerings. Have a key of some typical content with you to actually see what it looks like.


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Date: 2021-11-14 03:58 am (UTC)
From: [personal profile] hearthspirit
I had an old ASUS e-reader from when they first came out that ticked all those boxes - it only had USB cable to transfer books, it would allow any format, and had no internet capability. No touch screen or lit screen either, and the e-ink that ASUS used was more 'booklike' and easier on the eyes. Cheapest one on the market too, I think it was $100 CAN. They don't make them like that at all, anymore, though there may be some used, I can't remember what the model name was.

After that one died, I got the Rakuten Kobo, as it wasn't tied to using any one store at that time, which the other brands were (I gather they might not all be restricted to just the one store anymore).

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Date: 2021-11-14 04:11 am (UTC)
From: [personal profile] ilona9
I use Good Reader on an ipad mini to read PDF files. (I also use it for images and for MP4 files, but I know you won’t be watching any videos.) I bet it would work on an older iPad.

Here is more information about Good Reader.
https://www.goodreader.com/

The way I use it is, I put the PDF files I want to read into a folder in One Drive. It’s easy to connect the iPad to the Internet and download those PDF files into a Good Reader folder on the iPad. Once the files are on your iPad, you don't need an Internet connection, you just read them.

The Good Reader website describes many other ways of getting your PDF files into Good Reader:
“Dropbox, OneDrive, Google Drive, box.com, SugarSync, and also any WebDAV, AFP, SMB, FTP or SFTP server. GoodReader also supports e-mail server access, and e-mail attachment downloads.”

What I like about Good Reader is the way it’s so easy to organize material into different folders, each with its own subject. It’s easy to move or rename or delete any individual file or folder. It’s easy to flick the screen and make what you’re reading larger or smaller. It has a ton of features I haven’t used.

I have other iPad apps I sometimes use for reading. The native app used to be called iBooks; now it is called Books. It can definitely read PDF files. I use it for a few important files, but it isn’t so good at organizing materials.

I also have Aldiko, KyBook and Ebook Reader... they are in the “learn more when I have time” category.

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Date: 2021-11-14 04:12 am (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
I feel almost the same way.

You don't have to connect to the wifi - you can attach Kindle to a PC/Mac and drag and drop files in it. And yes it can read pdf native - no need for conversion.

To build up on JMG's point, I am amazed how many great books you can find online. Plus, I can find originals in latin, french etc and Kindle have relatively good dictionaries for a lot of languages (there are many dictionaries created by people even for minor languages).

Why not buy new an older generation Kindle? They were available Amazon and they are cheap.

I would not buy it used unless you are ok with reading always connected to an outlet - the batteries don't last that long (similar to a laptop)
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