Open (More or Less) Post on Covid 13

[ecosophia]

The semi-open posts  I've hosted here on the Covid-19 narrative, the inadequately tested experimental drugs for it, and the whole cascading mess surrounding them have continued to field a very high number of comments, so I'm opening yet another space for discussion. The rules are the same as before: 

1. If you plan on parroting the party line of the medical industry and its paid shills, please go away. This is a place for people to talk openly, honestly, and freely about their concerns that the party line in question is dangerously flawed and that actions being pushed by the medical industry et al. are causing injury and death. It is not a place for you to dismiss those concerns. Anyone who wants to hear the official story and the arguments in favor of it can find those on hundreds of thousands of websites.

2. If you plan on insisting that the current situation is the result of a deliberate plot by some villainous group of people or other, please go away. There are tens of thousands of websites currently rehashing various conspiracy theories about the Covid-19 outbreak and the vaccines. This is not one of them. What we're exploring is the likelihood that what's going on is the product of the same arrogance, incompetence, and corruption that the medical industry and its tame politicians have displayed so abundantly in recent decades. That possibility deserves a space of its own for discussion, and that's what we're doing here. 
 
3. If you plan on using rent-a-troll derailing or disruption tactics, please go away. I'm quite familiar with the standard tactics used by troll farms to disrupt online forums, and am ready, willing, and able -- and in fact quite eager -- to ban people permanently for engaging in them here. Oh, and I also lurk on other Covid-19 vaccine skeptic blogs, so I'm likely to notice when the same posts are showing up on more than one venue. 

4. If you don't believe in treating people with common courtesy, please go away. I have, and enforce, a strict courtesy policy on my blogs and online forums, and this is no exception. The sort of schoolyard bullying that takes place on so many other internet forums will get you deleted and banned here. No, I don't care if you disagree with that: my journal, my rules. 

With that said, as we watch people who used to question the honesty of giant corporations fall all over themselves to insist that every word Big Pharma flacks utter is the unquestionable truth, and reports of harmful and fatal side effects from the vaccines mount up to unprecedented levels, the floor is open for discussion. 

Comments

Mood swing?

[(Anonymous)]

JMG,

I noticed that your mood changed from „grim“ in the last covid open post to „pessimistic“ in this one.

That seems to be an improvement of sorts… ;-)

If I may ask, have there been any specific reasons for that swing? Anything you might have seen or heard and would care to share?

I could do with a bit of mood improvement myself this week… :-)

Thanks for hosting these posts,

Milkyway

Re: Mood swing?

[ecosophia]

It seems to me that the narrative is beginning to break apart. Here in the US, several state legislatures have passed bills upholding the rights of the undrugged, and in at least one case upholding the right of physicians to exercise freedom of speech about the problematic features of Covid drugs. Even the corporate media here and there are starting to suggest that the pandemic may soon be over, which to my mind sounds like an initial step toward admitting defeat. On an unrelated note, I was also delighted to see people all over making fun of the attendees of the current COP26 photo op for going there in private planes, luxury yachts, and huge motorcades to tell the rest of us that we have to use less carbon. Interesting times...

Follow the Money Q3

[(Anonymous)]

I’ll keep it short as I need to take a break to protect my mental health. Today Pfizer released their financial report over the third quarter of 2021. We see the same kind of results as in Q2. Comparisons are with Q3 of 2020:
- Eliquis (bloodclots) + 19%
- Vyndaqel (neuropathology and myocarditis) + 42%
- Various oncological products +9% to + 34%
Source https://investors.pfizer.com/events-and-presentations/event-details/2021/Pfizer-Quarterly-Corporate-Performance--Third-Quarter-2021/default.aspx

Just imagine to run a business where you make big bucks selling a medicine that doesn’t work, then bribe the politicians to put the blame on the people who didn’t take it, and then make a fortune selling drugs to people who suffer the adverse effects of your failed medicine…

Some links with very interesting info about the adverse effects of the fox:
-Doctors 4 covid ethics warn for blood clotting and damage to blood vessels https://doctors4covidethics.org/as/
-3 professors did post-mortems on people who died after being foxed. They found unsettling symptoms all over the body. The link is in Dutch and has a recap of their findings. It links to the actual presentation (in German) https://artsencollectief.nl/bij-meer-dan-de-helft-van-overledenen-na-vaccinatie-lijkt-een-verband-met-vaccinatie-aanwezig/
-heartbreaking stories from Israel. The scope of the adverse effects is very wide https://www.vaxtestimonies.org/en/

PS Maybe this is posted before here, but this is brilliant and deserves millions of views https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=09maaUaRT4M
Boccaccio

Re: Follow the Money Q3

[(Anonymous)]

I am an old peak-oiler and I always felt that the corporations would take us hostages on the energy down-slope, now reality confirms!

[(Anonymous)]

Repost from end of last covid open post - just because it seems like such good, hopeful news to me and I want everybody to see it!
https://www.theblaze.com/op-ed/horowitz-tn-legislature-bans-vaccine-passports-and-protects-doctors-who-speak-out-against-shots

[(Anonymous)]

This is terrific news! Thank you for sharing it.

NNTV Number Needed to Vex

[(Anonymous)]

Quote from article:
"In Pf****'s 6 month clinical trial in adults — there was 1 covid death our of 22,000 in the vaccine (“treatment”) group and 2 Covid deaths out of 22,000 in the placebo group (see Table s4). So NNTV = 22,000. The catch is there were 5 heart attack deaths in the vaccine group and only 1 in placebo group. So for every 1 life saved from Covid, the Pfizer vaccine kills 4 from heart attacks. All cause mortality in the 6 month study was 20 in vaccine group and 14 in placebo group. So a 42% all cause mortality increase among the vaccinated. The vaccine loses practically all efficacy after 6 months so they had to curtail the study. They unblinded and offered the vaccine to the placebo group. At that point the rising harm line had long ago intersected the sinking efficacy line....

..Pf**** learned their lesson with the adult trial and so when they conducted a trial of their mRNA vaccine in children ages 5 to 11 they intentionally made it too small (only 2,300 participants) and too short (only followed up for 2 months) in order to hide harms."


https://tobyrogers.substack.com/p/what-is-the-number-needed-to-vaccinate

Hmm, didn't someone mention in the previous Covid post that one of the final desperate steps a failing empire perfroms is sacrifice of its own children?

swedish study

[(Anonymous)]

Well it turn out the Swedish covid study has ~800,000 people in both the vaccinated and unvaccinated groups and boy oh boy do we know why big Harm cut off their studies so soon.

Very rapid decline in vaccine efficiency after about 90 days. The vaccinated group transitions over to being more likely to get covid after ~8 months and severe covid for people with comorbidities who have been vaccinated starts going negative at about 6 months. So far, the data for all cause mortality for the vaccinated and unvaccinated groups has not been published.
The big surge in vaccination in the US happened around April, that means the vaccinated will be more likely to get and spread covid at Christmas time.

Uggg that timing is so bad, I mean you could not plan for a worse time for the “vaccines” to fail.
In doors, cold, low humidity and lots of gatherings.

Re: swedish study

[(Anonymous)]

Thanks, can you provide a link to the study you mention?

Vixen Adverse Events Cluster Around Certain Batches?

[methylethyl]

Denninger and The Expose reporting on this, gleaned from public VAERS data:

https://theexpose.uk/2021/10/31/100-percent-of-covid-19-vaccine-deaths-caused-by-just-5-percent-of-the-batches-produced/

https://market-ticker.org/akcs-www?post=244109

The conclusion for both of these: some vixen batches are waaaaay worse than others. The VAERS data shows it pretty clearly.

I'd love to see others' takes on what's going on here. Could it be a refrigeration issue? Quality Control problem? Something else?

Re: Vixen Adverse Events Cluster Around Certain Batches?

[ahriman]

Its possible, but I think it is too soon to jump into conclusions. There are alternative analysis possible.

For example that a few doctors/nurses are doing due diligence and reporting all cases: that would influence a few of the lots.

I would let the crowd-mind look at it for a bit more time before drawing a final opinion

the picture people

[methylethyl]

oh, it looks like the support group has grown! People are gettin' ORGANIZED!

Re: the picture people

[(Anonymous)]

Definitely a happier picture!

[(Anonymous)]

I can't recall whether this was posted in last week's discussion...a powerful statement from a German member of the EU Parliament, Christine Anderson. I find it inspiring.
https://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2021/10/31/german_mep_on_vaccine_passports_mandates_never_take_anything_any_government_tells_you_at_face_value.html
JMG: the text of her short statement is included at the web page.

[(Anonymous)]

Thanks for this.

It was a very powerful and very welcome speech. I hadn't heard of Christine Anderson before this, but it was interesting to see that she represents the AfD (a conservative 'populist' German political party). The AfD are basically regarded as Nazis by 'respectable' (middle-class, graduate, liberal) German society, and some of them are more than a little shady, but they've been doing quite a bit of speaking up for constitutional rights, civil liberties and freedom of speech of late. I'm not sure the 'respectable' parties are even bothering to pay lip service to these values any more, which is concerning. Too many Germans seem to have rediscovered collectivism of late and realised that they rather like it. Wagenknecht and Lafontaine are still fighting the good fight from the 'traditional' left, but they're cutting very lonely figures on the political scene (although they enjoy a lot of popular support).

I live in Saxony, which is something of a bastion of recalcitrants and refuseniks, particularly outside of the big cities. Unfortunately, I happen to be in one of the said big cities.

News came in today of the death of the head of a hospital in Chemnitz, a city in southern Saxony. Apparently, after a lengthy phone conversation with the mayor of Chemnitz about the Corona situation, he went up onto the roof of the hospital and threw himself off. It would be very interesting to know more details about what they discussed. I'm hoping very much this isn't an indication of serious unpleasantness on the way.

Owain D.

Dr Martin Kulldorff

[(Anonymous)]

Dear John Michael Greer,

This is the same post I just added to last week's forum; I hope it might make it onto this week's.

As of yesterday, November 1, 2021, Dr. Martin Kulldorff is the Senior Scientific Director of the Brownstone Institute.

*From the Brownstone Institute's announcement:

"Having served as a professor at Harvard Medical School for the past ten years, [Dr Kulldorff] will guide the scientific activities of the Institute, particularly as it relates to the pandemic and the needed public health recovery and reform so that no country will repeat the terrible errors of 2020-21.

"Kulldorff is an internationally well-known biostatistician and epidemiologist. During his career, he has developed new statistical and epidemiological methods for disease surveillance, including the early detection and monitoring of infectious disease outbreaks and the post-market drug and vaccine safety monitoring. His methods are widely used by public health agencies around the world, as are his free disease surveillance software: SaTScan, TreeScan and RSequential. He has served on scientific advisory committees to the Food and Drug Administration and the Centers for Disease Control.

"Kulldorff came to public attention in 2020 for his role in authoring the Great Barrington Declaration, alongside Dr. Sunetra Gupta of Oxford University and Dr. Jay Bhattacharya of Stanford University. Based on basic principles of public health, the Declaration argues for better focused protection of older high-risk people while letting low-risk children and young adults live near normal lives to minimize the collateral public health damage on education, cancer, cardiovascular disease, diabetes, physical fitness and mental health, just to name a few. The Declaration quickly gained over 800,000 signatures including over 10,000 scientists and 40,000 medical practitioners. It also stirred controversy by proponents of the general lockdowns that we now know did not protect the vulnerable.

"Kulldorff grew up in Umeå, Sweden, close to the arctic circle. He received a BSc in mathematical statistics from Umeå University in 1984. He then moved to the United States for his postgraduate studies as a Fulbright scholar, obtaining a PhD in operations research from Cornell University in 1989. He has subsequently worked as a biostatistician and epidemiologist at Uppsala University in Sweden, the National Cancer Institute in Maryland, the University of Connecticut and Harvard Medical School in Boston. In addition to his work at Brownstone, he will continue his disease surveillance research on infectious disease outbreaks and vaccine and drug safety, working with public health agencies in both the United States and abroad.

*Here's what Dr Kulldorff says:

"[G]overnments, universities and scientific leaders have failed us during this pandemic, resulting in the biggest public health fiasco in history. The questioning of natural immunity after Covid infection is just one example among many. With the censoring of long-established public health principles, we need new organizations to safeguard public health for the future. As part of Brownstone, I am excited to work with other scientists and the public to foster open, rigorous, and intellectual scientific debate. We cannot allow 400 years of enlightenment to end.”

*What is the Brownstone Institute?

"The Brownstone Institute was founded in 2021 to respond to this crisis with research, publishing, education, and other programs intended as a guiding light out of the crisis."

https://brownstone.org


***

Cetiosaurus

Dr Peter McCullough Recommends

[(Anonymous)]

I saw the post about Dr McCullough's podcast on last week's forum and thought it deserved more visibility-- because whether you are jabbed or unjabbed, it's looking like you could get Covid or Delta or something else this winter, and Dr Peter McCullough reports on a new early treatment that is working very well on Covid patients in Hong Kong, India, and Bangladesh.

October 25, 2021
https://www.americaoutloud.com/covid-q-a-with-dr-peter-mccullough-7/

(14:33) "Early treatment is not completely dependent on Hydroxychloroquine or Ivermectin. If you never had a drop of either one of those drugs in the entire country of Australia, you can treat Covid-19 early.

"One of the best ways of early treatment and prophylaxis is to use Povidone-iodine or dilute Betadine, this is two teaspoons of Betadine in six ounces of water, swish it, spit it out, snort it up your nose with a nasal spray, blow it out. Do it twice a day on days you leave the house because that way you zap the virus before it sets up camp in the nose and mouth. If you're exposed to Covid-19... do it four times a day for three days.

"In the setting of acute Covid-19... and I didn't do this in myself and I didn't do this in my patients a few months ago, I am now using intensive Povidone-iodine oral and nasal treatments, and it is working. It's amazing how effective it is. It cuts down on the viral load.

"If you can't tolerate iodine, if you're pregnant, have an iodine-dependent thyroid disease, use dilute Hydrogen-peroxide.

"Always follow it up with Scope or Listerine in the mouth for some extra kill power and clean the mouth out.

"Don't swallow any of these substances.

"That oral-nasal decontamination, that Hong Kong, big cities across India and across Bangladesh are using, is really working. And it's working in Americans and Australians.

"The other thing that Australians can do is load up on the nutriceuticals..."

Re: Dr Peter McCullough Recommends

[temporaryreality]

I listened to that podcast because I was interested in the recommended pre- or early-infection home treatments. McCullough also mentions hydrogen peroxide as a nasal and oral rinse, and so I went digging on that topic.

What I found was interesting. The medical literature on the utility of H2O2 as a nasal or oral rinse for defense against or early treatment for viral infections included these:

This is a literature review that concludes that "there is no scientific evidence supporting the indication of hydrogen peroxide mouthwash for control of the viral load regarding SARS-CoV02 or any other viruses in saliva." I note, though that no mention is made of nasal irrigation. Also, though the mechanism may not be literally virucidal this study does not consider any other protective effect: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7548555/

This one proposes a study of H2O2's use in reducing severity of SARS-CoV-2: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7308628/

Once a person is in the hospital, it seems to do very little good: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8289471/

This literature/study review found "no completed studies to include" - though there were a variety of ongoing studies that were relevant (not just H2O2) - so, no conclusion: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8187985/

This review points out that "there are no randomized controlled trials [RCT] or clinical observation studies concerning the curative or preventive effect of hydrogen peroxide against viral infections. However, the literature from in-vitro immunological studies clearly points out that the application of hydrogen perxide on the epithelial cells of nose, throat and mouth may well be extremely effective against viruses, including coronaviruses," followed by strong recommendation of RCTs: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7262503/

This leaves me less than convinced about H2O2 - but mostly because there's a lack of evidence rather than evidence of non-function. I'm wondering where McCullough's data comes from and why he recommends it.

Also, note that I've not looked up anything on the Betadine or povidone-iodine since I was most interested in the hydrogen peroxide as I have that on hand.

Widening Cracks

[(Anonymous)]

Looks like the cracks are getting bigger. If this does come out in the British Medical Journal - wow! https://www.zerohedge.com/covid-19/falsified-data-pfizer-vaccine-trial-had-major-flaws-whistleblower-tells-peer-reviewed

John of Red Hook

Re: Widening Cracks

[(Anonymous)]

My gut says that this might be one of the big stories that cuts through the noise.

I’m fairly shocked that the British Medical Journal is hosting this whistleblower.

Week 3 Update

[(Anonymous)]

Well, I've gotten my first Shingles vaccine. Right shoulder is a bit sore, but nothing unexpected.

Chatted with a friend this past weekend. He had gotten a booster COVID shot and had had trouble with his right shoulder for the past couple of weeks. His doctor said that the shot likely went a bit deeper than the needle should have gone and that the pain should subside. Having gone through that myself, I'm inclined to believe the explanation – key word being "believe," of course as I keep the alternative explanations in mind.

And finally: having followed the case numbers closely, I'm coming to believe that we're dealing with an endemic virus and that changes in how we deal with it will happen. Whether it means they take their time to make a proper vaccine or it turns out that the concept of Vaccination is seriously damaged (it's been almost 70 years since Polio was crushed, those who remember when that disease was feared are increasingly found in nursing homes) is the question.

– Donald Hargraves

Re: Week 3 Update

[methylethyl]

In light of the "bad batch" info posted above, do you happen to have access to the batch number of the covax you received?

Worldwide Walkout Day this Wednesday, Nov 3rd

[(Anonymous)]

This Wednesday, November 3 is "Worldwide Walkout Day" to protest injection mandates. Walkouts/ rallies are planned in quite a few cities in the USA. (Europe seems to be doing a good job of protesting already. Not that you'd know it from the MSM.) The idea seems to be that it's the first of several such planned days, rather than one and done.

I'll be protesting here in Minnesota at the Department of Education (gotta start somewhere).

For details, and to see if there's anything already happening near you, visit
worldwidewalkout.org
OR
https://childrenshealthdefense.org/child-health-topics/health-freedom/worldwide-walk-outs/
(They're the same site)

The site is much improved since I posted about it last week, and there are a lot of local walkouts listed that weren't listed last week.

Re: Worldwide Walkout Day this Wednesday, Nov 3rd

[(Anonymous)]

Thanks for posting. Will be attending. Curious to see turnout levels.

[(Anonymous)]

I’m in the Minneapolis / St Paul area, and I’m interested in meeting other Ecosophia readers from Minnesota and western Wisconsin, individually and/or collectively.

I’m particularly interested in figuring out how to organize and what actions to take against Covid totalitarianism in general and vax mandates in particular. And then taking those actions.

If you’d like to meet sometime, please drop me a line at willard (at) usfamily.net

[(Anonymous)]

[Reposted from the the Covid 12 thread]

OMG. Look what Karl Denninger dragged in: He has analyzed VAERS data, looking at the relationship of vex-associated deaths and vex-lot numbers. He (and others it appears) have found that vex-related deaths are associated with only a few lot numbers, and that this is true for all the vex manufactures (including J&J, which is not an mRNA vex).

https://market-ticker.org/akcs-www?post=244109

It appears that one of those bad lots was pulled in Orange county CA, by local officials last January, but nothing more was done, no investigation or recall of the lot.

https://www.ocbj.com/news/2021/jan/19/oc-recalls-moderna-vaccine-lot/

It seems impossible to explain this away as a chance-related fluke. For an experimental vex/drug, the CDC is are obliged to monitor, and issue quarterly public reports on the safety status, but none of this is being done. Clearly, the CDC must know about these issues. Lot numbers are included in the VAERS data.

I wonder if this revelation will get legs and go somewhere.

--Lunar Apprentice

[ahriman]

This might or might not be a "revelation"

There are other alternative explanations that I can think of. For example, as I stated above, that one or two honest nurses/doctors were diligent in their reporting. That would affect a few lots.

Maybe this is important. But some more digging needs to be done

Senator Dr. Rand Paul

[(Anonymous)]

The Senator Rand Paul talk (from a telephone townhall) posted on October 29, 2021 on Forbes Breaking News' YouTube is still up with 1,050,937 views

'The Evidence Is Mounting There's Been A Cover-Up':
Rand Paul Blasts Fauci Over Possible COVID-19
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZWiaQA8J5zs

The fact that this video is still up on YouTube says an ocean in itself. In weeks past, like other of Senator Paul's videos, YT would have taken it down.

Rand Paul is a medical doctor, and the US Senator who grilled Dr Fauci in the US Senate.

TRANSCRIPT:
"I think it is disappointing that this has become politicized. I think we should try to get to the bottom of where the covid virus came from. There's a lot of evidence now that it came from a lab in China. This is important because we don't want this to happen again. Unfortunately, Dr. Fauci has resisted this investigation and has denied that they funded research in China that might have caused this disease. But the evidence is mounting that there's been a cover-up. The evidence is mounting that this disease did originate in a laboratory.

"Two big pieces of information. Number One: the wet markets where they sell these exotic animals in Wuhan and in parts of China, they tested 80,000 animals and they didn't find any animals that were positive for covid. So they didn't find an animal host for this. It looks like it just showed up one day in humans. That argues for this coming from a lab and not evolving and coming from animals.

"The other large piece of evidence is, they looked at thousands of blood samples from people in China in 2019 to see if any of them had antibodies to covid already. If this came naturally, usually it comes slowly before it comes quickly, and you'll find in the very early stages some sporadic cases of people who had covid in 2019. Well, they looked through, I believe, 9,000 samples and they found nobody with covid. This argues very strongly for this disease having come from the lab as well.

"When we questioned Dr Fauci on this though, he says, "Oh, we weren't doing that kind of research there and we didn't fund it." Well, it turns out that the NIH, which Dr Fauci's a big part of, did fund research in Wuhan, and continues to send money over there. Your money is going to Wuhan to fund research.

"In this research, they take an unknown virus from a bat cave and they combine it with another virus that can cause pandemics, and then they try to find out whether or not the new virus they created in the lab could cause illness. Well, lo and behold, they have found that it does cause illness. And Dr. Fauci still won't admit that this kind of research was gain of function, meaning that the virus gained the function, or gained lethality, the virus gained in dangerousness, when they combined these viruses.

"Well this is a crazy kind of research, we shouldn't be doing it in China, we certainly shouldn't be funding it with taxpayer money, but we also should not be doing it in America.

"There are two labs in America, one in Galveston and one in North Carolina, that are still doing this research. And I'm sure they're still doing this research in Wuhan. Your taxpayer dollars are still going to China. When Dr Fauci's asked about it, he says, Oh, yeah, he's still in favor of sending your money to China to do this research.

I think that's a terrible idea, and it may well have been the cause. We don't have proof that it was the cause, but we do think that this kind of experiments could have created the virus that is the pandemic. When Dr. Fauci was asked about this in 2012, he said, "Well, you know, I'm for gain of function research, and sure, scientists could get infected, and we could get a pandemic, but it would be worth it." He said that it would be worth it, even if we had a pandemic, because the knowledge would be worth it.

I think the 5 million people who've died so far and their families probably would beg to differ with Dr. Fauci, and say, "you know what, maybe the knowledge you think you would have gained maybe wasn't worth the loss of my loved one."

We have to investigate this. There hasn't been any investigation! I've asked the heads of the committees [of the US senate] who are Democrats, to investigate where this virus came from. We have not had one hearing. Zero hearings on investigating where this virus came from.

"I'm going to keep pushing for this. We need to because you know what, this virus had a 1% mortality, and that meant, right now over 750,000 Americans have lost heir lives from this. Can you imagine if this had 15% mortality? Or 50% mortality? Some of the viruses that they're experimenting with in this gain of function research that Dr. Fauci supports have 15% mortality. Some of the viruses have 50% mortality. This is alarming, it's crazy, and it should come to a stop.

"Everyone on the phone call should know, I stand up every day and ask the questions: How did this virus start? How did this pandemic start? And what do we do to stop it? "

# # #

[(Anonymous)]

This is a bombshell to the narrative

https://www.bmj.com/content/375/bmj.n2635

"In autumn 2020 Pfizer’s chairman and chief executive, Albert Bourla, released an open letter to the billions of people around the world who were investing their hopes in a safe and effective covid-19 vaccine to end the pandemic. “As I’ve said before, we are operating at the speed of science,” Bourla wrote, explaining to the public when they could expect a Pfizer vaccine to be authorised in the United States.1

But, for researchers who were testing Pfizer’s vaccine at several sites in Texas during that autumn, speed may have come at the cost of data integrity and patient safety. A regional director who was employed at the research organisation Ventavia Research Group has told The BMJ that the company falsified data, unblinded patients, employed inadequately trained vaccinators, and was slow to follow up on adverse events reported in Pfizer’s pivotal phase III trial. Staff who conducted quality control checks were overwhelmed by the volume of problems they were finding. After repeatedly notifying Ventavia of these problems, the regional director, Brook Jackson, emailed a complaint to the US Food and Drug Administration (FDA). Ventavia fired her later the same day. Jackson has provided The BMJ with dozens of internal company documents, photos, audio recordings, and emails."

And it goes on...

[(Anonymous)]

Wouldn't you know it, this link is already returning "Error 520: Web server is returning an unknown error."

Archive.org still has a copy, at least for now. Get it while it's hot.

[(Anonymous)]

JMG, I must point out that the unmasked sinners in this week’s photo are NOT maintaining social distancing.

—Princess Cutekitten

[ecosophia]

No doubt that's why they're all so healthy!

Vaccine mandates are anti-diversity

[(Anonymous)]

In the last week, I have had several conversations at work about personal experiences of vaccine injuries and death. I work at a local government agency in a mostly Democratic city. A staff member shared with me the story about a close family member, previously entirely healthy, who died a day or so after getting an adverse reaction to a Covid shot, and also the difficult struggle their family has had in reporting the death and getting authorities to investigate it further. She has refused shots and has filed for a religious exemption from our agency's vaccine mandate (the testing option has recently been eliminated). If they don't honor it, she's prepared to do all she can do legally to fight it and sue our agency. She also said she's tired of the media's portrayal of anyone who's concerned about vaccine injuries and objects to mandates as right-wing. She, who's African-American, feels the vaccine mandate runs counter to the diversity and inclusion initiatives of our agency.

Based on my experience, those I know who have declined the shots (or at least has concerns about them) come from diverse backgrounds, politically and otherwise. I'm also tired of the media's narrow portrayal of those who are unvaxxed.

-beneaththesurface

Re: Vaccine mandates are anti-diversity

[(Anonymous)]

Seeing the Democrats forced to choose between DEI and vaccine mandates would be pretty rich.

[stcathalexandria]

Alex Berenson has been reporting on athletes who have had sudden heart issues, some collapsing mid-game, who are vaccinated https://alexberenson.substack.com

His sub stack is free to subscribe, although there is a paid option if you'd like to contribute to his work.

I did pay because the man kept me sane in 2020 with his reporting. His paid post today was a scathing opinion on who should be mandated to vaccinate. It's not hard to guess.

In other news I talked with a man yesterday who had gotten his booster two days before and he could hardly stay awake. He's 66 and said this happened after the first two doses too. So add narcolepsy to one of the effects and possible reasons for accidents.

[(Anonymous)]

Narcolepsy was a rare side effect of another vaccine in the 1970's, the swine flue IIRC, that led to its being stopped.

--Lunar Apprentice

Christian Warning

[john_b]

This might not mean much to our host and other alternative spiritualities, but I know there are some other Christians here, so I hope I won't be remiss in sharing an experience I had last week. I'll spare the details, but for context: I am a Catholic, I keep a close devotion to a particular saint, and last summer I got the J&J (minimal participation) because I was certain that it would be required for work and that I would not be allowed to travel back home without it. If I hadn't, I would be fired and other-than-honorably discharged this month.

On Thursday last week, I received a very strong message (in the way that I normally get such messages, usually once or twice a year) that I needed to repent of getting the vaccine.

Specifically, I was directed to Revelation chapter 2 (the non-vision part), where John writes to the church at Thyatria that they need to stop following 'Jezebel.' I did a little research about who 'Jezebel' was and what she taught - it turns out that Thyatria was a trading city where just about everyone worked for a guild. To participate in the guild, you had to participate in a typical greek pagan sacrifice. 'Jezebel' taught that it was okay to participate in this ritual and partake of food sacrificed to idols...as long as you were just doing it to keep your job.

This was, more or less, the same argument my bishop gave in favor of taking the vaccine.

Anyhow, I'm told that the argument does NOT fly and to get myself properly confessed, if I want to avoid the coming "great distress."

Hopefully this helps some of you, and even if you're not Christian you can add it to the 'impending doom' category that surfaces on these threads pretty often.

Re: Christian Warning

[ecosophia]

Thank you for this. While I'm not a Christian, as you know, I'm by no means dismissive of your god -- one of the benefits of polytheism is that I can believe in everyone's gods, even if I don't happen to accept all the theological claims concerning them -- and I'm tolerably familiar with the Bible. This is certainly not a time to be lukewarm like the Laodiceans!

[temporaryreality]

I read with interest the comment by Sam on the main blog's open post and the reminder that narrative-framing posits "sides" to the debates at hand, and that those sides are crafted and manipulated to activate human weaknesses.

Sam said,

"I would also like to remind the general commentariat here that there are more divisions in society than just “pro-vaxx” and “anti-vaxx”. There is also a third group (likely large but mostly silent) that is the most marginalized in the debate – the people who are trying to avoid both the COVID-19 and anti-vaccine hysterias and are looking with worry at the spread of divisive emotionality in response to this disease event. This worry is justified – after all, mass die-off from either the vaccine or the virus relies on certain worst case scenarios to play out exactly and is hence just a theory which quite likely will not happen. By contrast, the cascading hysteria can be witnessed in real time all over, in most social groups, both on the internet and in real life. It is not a theory, and does not require fulfilled hypotheses about ADE or variants or anything else. It is here now and in my opinion, has caused and will cause more damage than both the vaccine and virus put together."

This reminded me of a quote I read recently, from historian Christopher Lasch (whose work I've never read, so I can't comment any further on the entirety). Anyway, I put this here as a prompt to all of us here who are thinking of ways to navigate the turbulence and to salvage and repair and protect those things that are trampled on or threatened by the societal hysteria and the political responses being played out:

"The best defense against the state is the informal authority exercised by the family, the neighborhood, the church, the labor union, and all of those other intermediate institutions that make it possible for communities to educate, discipline, and take care of themselves without calling in the state."

Unlike the intermediation JMG talked about in That Untraversed Land, this kind of intermediation is strengthening and contributes to community and individual resilience in ways that state involvement cannot.

So, I'd be interested to reserve a portion of our ongoing discussion for talk about the ways we can rely on ourselves to create "life zones" and exclude the various governments and their plans to corporatize/corral/label/deincentivize/monitor/divide/inject/_____ every last one of us.

I don't have a wide social circle at all, so my challenge is interacting with other people. One thing I've been doing, though, is inspired by violetcabra - giving seeds away. I've also simply been giving no-longer-used items away through a neighborhood app (rather than selling them or giving them to the anonymizing thrift-store chain we have here). All my interactions with people are one step in favor of the "livingness" of my community - not to mention one way of sticking it to the commercialization of everything.

In conversation with erika (and calling in Scotlyn's musings on property and economy), the gift-economy has come up here. I think that this is going to be critical in the coming days. As JMG said (in regards to digital currencies, but also relevant here): "it’ll be interesting to see where the balance is struck between ad hoc alternative currencies, on the one hand, and movement away from market economics altogether (into customary, gift, household, and other alternative economies) on the other." Obviously you can't fill up the tank of a commuter-car to go to a job (your outsourced livelihood) with gift-economics, but we're going to have to start figuring out how to decouple even further from "the system," since each linked/coupled/adhesion site is a weakness.

Family and Community

[(Anonymous)]

Hello Temoraryreality--
You make an excellent point.

On interacting with more people and strengthening family and community ties, there are so many things one can do, and of course each person has a unique set of opportunities, skills, and inclinations.

Something I do that is a bit time consuming and old-fashioned is to mail a hand-addressed and hand-signed holiday card to friends, family, colleagues, some people I do business with, and neighbors.

These days most people, if they bother to send holiday greetings, send an email or e-card. Frankly, I don't really appreciate mass emails, and as for ecards, I'm already online more than I want to be (and don't tell me it's more environmentally friendly-- not until you've taken a good hard look at a server farm). But I do appreciate it very much whenever someone has taken the trouble to write my name and address by hand, say "Merry Christmas" or whatever wish they have for the holidays and/or new year, and sign their name in a pretty card that arrives in the mailbox. I do, very much, appreciate that signal of their regard for me. So I try to do the same.

I keep the names and contact information of the people on my holiday card list on index cards in a recipe box with little tabs to keep it organized alphabetically. Now, you might be thinking, that's nuts! Why not use the computer, it's easier to update your mailing list. No, actually, in my many decades of experience with holiday cards, an online document is not easier to update, it is a big pain, and anytime I turn on the laptop, it's a battle to not start surfing around (ayyy... where did the time go???!!!) And a printed label slapped on a holiday card just says "I didn't care about you enough to write your name by hand, I had so many others to do." In other words, for me, printed labels are not easier, and anyway, they negate the whole point.

I do use printed stickers for the return address label, however.

I do not enclose long detailed letters chock-a-block with status-enhancing news, because that is not the point. The point is just to say, in a personal way, "Hi! I wish you the best!"

My grandfather always said, your world is 500 people, and you get to pick who they are.

For me, they are the ones in my holiday card file. (Though I don't actually send 500- cards, by the way.) And because I keep that file updated, I know exactly who these people are, where they live, how to contact them (email, tel.). I also jot down on their card the names of their kids and their dogs and cats, if anyone got married, divorced, any one died. Why? Because my memory isn't perfect and because I care about them.

If I don't happen to care enough to hand-write their name, address, and a brief message on the card, then they are not in my holiday card file.

Not everyone in my holiday card file gets a holiday card, however, because some, I know, might not appreciate it (such as those ones who insist on sending mass emails). But I care about them anyway. So I also think of this file as the file of people whom I care about, and whom, when I die (I hope a long time in the future!!), I would want notified and invited to my funeral. I find this very clarifying.

Might I suggest, this year would be an especially good one to send hand-written holiday cards, for so many people have had to spend so much time alone and/or under terrible stress.

Plaid Crispy Sloth

[(Anonymous)]

The narrative is definitely failing. A straw poll was done on twitter - to both vaxxed and unvaxxed - do they have any regrets?

None of the unvaxxed did but the majority of the vaxxed seemed to, eg, "I was conned", "I wanted to go on holiday", "I was pressured", "I wasn't thinking" and "I won't be getting the booster." Many reported long lasting "side effects" too.

Also, this is an interesting article. I am very glad I decided to be part of the control group and I am now covid recovered.

"Based on the solid evidence from the Israeli study, the Covid recovered have stronger and longer-lasting immunity against Covid disease than the vaccinated. Hence, there is no reason to prevent them from activities that are permitted to the vaccinated. In fact, it is discriminatory.

Many of the Covid recovered were exposed to the virus as essential workers during the height of the pandemic before vaccines were available. They kept the rest of society afloat, processing food, delivering goods, unloading ships, picking up garbage, policing the streets, maintaining the electricity network, putting out fires, and caring for the old and sick, to name a few.

They are now being fired and excluded despite having stronger immunity than the vaccinated work-from-home administrators that are firing them."

https://brownstone.org/articles/a-review-and-autopsy-of-two-covid-immunity-studies/

Odds of transmission

[spiffsome]

Does anyone have figures on the chances of transmission for foxed / antifoxed people? I'm happy to take my own chances but I want to know how likely I am to pass it on to others if I refuse the vaccine. I just can't find any studies on that topic.

Of course, that's the hard sell for this: protect your loved ones. Australia's a bit more collectivist in this regard than the US.

Re: Odds of transmission

[(Anonymous)]

Oh we get that line here in the US to. This has been my go-to link for shutting that down lately:

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/oct/28/covid-vaccinated-likely-unjabbed-infect-cohabiters-study-suggests

I find it hilarious that it's couched in terms of the people you live with. If it doesn't work there...

Looking for the denominator

[(Anonymous)]

Cribbed from a comment on Market Ticker, a NYT article on how the Pfizer vaccines are made. From the description, it looks like a batch is 600,000 vials to make 3.6 million doses.

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2021/health/pfizer-coronavirus-vaccine.html

Denninger teased out from the data the curious fact that the "hot" batches, the very low number of batches from each manufacturer that caused the most deaths, had the widest distribution. So someone had to take positive action to disaggregate the batches into stacks of frozen trays of vials and send them different places, instead of just packing and shipping a whole freezer full. He found that the "hot" batches had ended up in 13-50 states, compared to low harm batches distributed in 12 or fewer states.

Someone linked to the Pfizer EUA last week. I recall there were actually two different formulations, each at four different dose levels, plus saline, in the Phase 2/3 trials. We are living through the Phase 3 trials.