Open (More or Less) Post on Covid 11

[ecosophia]

The semi-open posts  I've hosted here on the Covid-19 narrative, the inadequately tested experimental drugs for it, and the whole cascading mess surrounding them have continued to field a very high number of comments, so I'm opening yet another space for discussion. The rules are the same as before: 

1. If you plan on parroting the party line of the medical industry and its paid shills, please go away. This is a place for people to talk openly, honestly, and freely about their concerns that the party line in question is dangerously flawed and that actions being pushed by the medical industry et al. are causing injury and death. It is not a place for you to dismiss those concerns. Anyone who wants to hear the official story and the arguments in favor of it can find those on hundreds of thousands of websites.

2. If you plan on insisting that the current situation is the result of a deliberate plot by some villainous group of people or other, please go away. There are tens of thousands of websites currently rehashing various conspiracy theories about the Covid-19 outbreak and the vaccines. This is not one of them. What we're exploring is the likelihood that what's going on is the product of the same arrogance, incompetence, and corruption that the medical industry and its tame politicians have displayed so abundantly in recent decades. That possibility deserves a space of its own for discussion, and that's what we're doing here. 
 
3. If you plan on using rent-a-troll derailing or disruption tactics, please go away. I'm quite familiar with the standard tactics used by troll farms to disrupt online forums, and am ready, willing, and able to ban people permanently for engaging in them here. Oh, and I also lurk on other Covid-19 vaccine skeptic blogs, so I'm likely to notice when the same posts are showing up on more than one venue. 

4. If you don't believe in treating people with common courtesy, please go away. I have, and enforce, a strict courtesy policy on my blogs and online forums, and this is no exception. The sort of schoolyard bullying that takes place on so many other internet forums will get you deleted and banned here. No, I don't care if you disagree with that: my journal, my rules. 

With that said, as we watch the reports of fatal and crippling side effects of the vaccines mount up, and more and more of the vaccinated report suffering from "the worst cold ever," the floor is open for discussion.  

Comments

Trieste

[(Anonymous)]

El gato malo reports on the incredible protests in Trieste. Also on the disparity between what's happening and what's being reported in the media.

https://boriquagato.substack.com/p/protest-in-trieste-we-the-people

Re: Trieste

[ecosophia]

That's impressive. It also looks very much like the opening stages of a revolution...

Argumenting booster shots

[vitranc]

Greetings JMG and commentariat,

Since there are talks about introducing booster shots in my country, I would like to open a discussion on booster shots. Firstly on the logic behind them and secondly on rhetorical advice one could use arguing against it to someone who already has taken the previous shots.
(I assume a lot of people here know people who they would like to argue out of it)

1. My logic is relatively simple. If the vaccinations have adverse effects, then taking more of them is not advisable. So if someone has already gotten the vaccinations, is it still better to not take booster shots, or is it better to stick with it?

2. Presupposing above logic, how could one argue with someone already vaccinated in order to convince them not to take the booster shot? What prof or articles might one use for instance.

Best regards,
V

Re: Argumenting booster shots

[stcathalexandria]

There is no amount of facts or scientific studies that are going to convince anyone one way or the other in regards to boosters. Arguing with people or gods forbid posting on social media to convince them of something to do just has people double down on their choice.

The only way out I see is to lead by example and share in person, one-on-one with people why you are making the choice you are regarding vaccination.

[(Anonymous)]

People in my workplace are dropping like flies from this 'worst cold ever', as well as Covid, to the point where we're getting really quite thin on the ground.

Much like what was reported in the media about the 'worst cold ever', what I'm hearing a lot from people is they start to feel like they are on the mend... then poorliness returns. And so it drags on. One colleague I'm close to told me he feels like he's been unwell for several weeks. He also recently mentioned, apropos of nothing, that he found himself unusually out of breath on the cycle ride in, even though he's done it a million times before.

I am one of few unvaccinated that I'm aware of and the only person in my team who hasn't had to take an absence with either Covid or the 'worst cold ever'.

These are obviously just some personal observations.

- Triplet

[ecosophia]

By "dropping like flies" I hope you mean that they're just very sick. That phrase, at first glance, made me think that you have people dying right and left.

[(Anonymous)]

these vaccine pushers are just like rapists.
They do not take no for an answer.
They do not listen to reason.
If you oppose them, they use force to get their way.
And just like rape is not about sex, these vaccine pushers are not interested in medical treatments it is about power.
If someone doesn't do what you want, you force them to submit to your desires.


(also please think about sending some good vibes, well wishes and prayers for the people in Italy and the Chicago police fighting the vax mandates. )

[(Anonymous)]

Speak of which, el gato malo reports (or, actually, retweets)

Chicago Threatens to Withhold Retirement Benefits From Police Officers Who Retire Rather than Submit to City's COVID Vaccine Mandate..

https://boriquagato.substack.com/p/kitten-corner-chicago-gangsters

I am still amazed that people can fail to see the blowback from this kind of action. Similar to the DoD trying to go after Navy Seals who quit by demanding that they repay the costs of training. It just broadcasts that the powers that be have no understanding of what it means to make a promise, and there's no reason to trust them.

[(Anonymous)]

Well, I've started on an experiment on myself.

First, to catch up: I have had both my Pfizer doses, taken at the suggestion of my boss...who shut down his business soon after. No side effects as of yet. I have also been working out lately, so I am quite healthy – healthiest I've been in years, in fact. I've also been supplementing with Vitamin C and D, for obvious reasons.

Now, to the present: I received the flu shot Monday just before 1pm.

The point: if the vaccines wreak havoc with our immune responses, then ADE may not be the (only) issue. One possibility may be unexpected reactions to others vaccines, such as the Flu vaccine.

Which makes me a Guinea Pig. More so when I get the Shingles vaccines later on.

I plan on posting here for the next month or two to keep people updated on what's happening – if anything. Hopefully things will be okay, but it's possible that things go haywire quickly and I die in bed without warning, so I'm signing with my real name:

– Donald Hargraves
(Northwest Indiana)

[(Anonymous)]

Best of luck to you sir. I'll support a brave guinea pig any day.

[inavalon]

I'm not sure if this was posted in last week's thread, but here is encouraging news. Nebraska's state Attorney General writes a 48 page opinion explaining why "the mere fact of prescribing ivermectin or hydroxychloroquinine for COVID-19 will not result in our office filing disciplinary actions."

Link to pdf:

https://ago.nebraska.gov/sites/ago.nebraska.gov/files/docs/opinions/21-017_0.pdf

A step in the right direction at least.

[(Anonymous)]

I’m hoping numerous other states follow Nebraska and free their doctors to be, well, doctors.

prayer

[(Anonymous)]

For those who pray, wondering if you'd be willing to share to whom and for what you pray in regards to the societal Covid situation and vaccine stuff. Thanks.

Re: prayer

[(Anonymous)]

I pray almost everyday to Hu Gadarn and the Holy powers of Nature for the blessing and healing of everyone. I have the feeling that, as a species, we have really screwed the pooch on this one and I'm praying for basically divine intervention to get us through this tumultuous time.

[ecosophia]

Aaaaand right on cue, I had a pro-vaccine concern troll and two conspiracy theorists try to post. Come on, guys, it takes me two clicks to send all your work tumbling away forever into the Void of Slack, and I'm quite enthusiastic about doing so...

[brenainn]

They're nothing if not persistent. I wonder if they both possess the same basic psychological motivations?

A fun break from the grimness

[(Anonymous)]

Ok, this is off-topic, but I hope you'll let it through just for fun.

While doing research on music charts, I totally randomly stumbled across this:

1952
John Greer and the Rhythm Rockers
Got You On My Mind

A nice broke-up-with-my-girl traditional blues song...

Re: A fun break from the grimness

[ecosophia]

Seriously funny. They've got a mess of songs on YouTube, for what it's worth -- apparently Big John Greer and his Rhythm Rockers still have fans.

Accidents

[weilong]

The factory that I work for has seen an unusual rash of workplace accidents since the experimental gene therapy was given to most workers in August and September.

I work for a factory with several hundred employees. They had a few days in August and September when anybody who wanted could become a test subject in the ongoing medical experiment. The shots have also been made available in the city. I don't have a clear sense for how many people got them, but it is fair to say that anybody who wanted one has had one by now, and it is probably most of them.

Since then, I have been seeing reports of minor accidents once or twice a week. Small stuff, like somebody pinched his finger in a machine, or tripped and fell. This sort of thing does happen from time to time, but to have this many in such a short time is definitely unusual. It reminds me of the reports of vaccine-induced brain fog that I have been hearing about.

I also noted with wry amusement that the number of sick days used for vaccine side effects in the last two months now far outnumbers the number of sick days used for the corona cold over the last year and a half. That alone is sufficient reason not to get the shot, in my opinion.

Re: Accidents

[(Anonymous)]

Here in Halifax, Nova Scotia, we have a toll bridge that before the vaccines, occasionally had an accident - someone tried to drive a too-large vehicle through a too-small toll gate. This used to be a yearly event, now it is biweekly. Granted, tens of thousands of vaccinated people drive through the tolls successfully every day, but the change is dramatic.

[(Anonymous)]

What do you think of the Waterford situation?
https://www.irishpost.com/news/waterford-has-irelands-second-highest-covid-19-incidence-rate-despite-fact-99-7-of-residents-are-fully-vaccinated-222363
https://ricochet.com/1073486/the-covid-story-thats-inconveniently-true/
https://www.irishexaminer.com/news/arid-40704104.html

Also the Waterford etymology sounds and is conspicuous

[(Anonymous)]

No expert opinion, but I live in a similar place. Here in Canberra, Australia, they've stopped reporting vax rates over 100% (yes really). They're just going to say it's 99%. My employer, formerly very hands off, put out a consultation survey about the vax which is obviously just a PR job before a mandate. Fortunately it's easy enough to get jobs over the border in NSW where the rules are less strict. This has all happened in the last couple of months, so it's very new.

The thing is, though, the astral gunk is so thick I almost feel I'm wading through it, and there are really evil entities everywhere. I have trouble sleeping. I'm sure protective entities have stepped in for me, but when I asked them to spread their protection around a bit, they said no, the protection only goes where it's supposed to go. I'm really worried for these compliant smug people.

Whenever I travel away from Canberra the atmosphere is so much better and the people are so much less compliant!

In all my decades of divination, dream guidance, etc., I've never seen anything like this. Every avenue, oracle, intuition, whatever, tells me disaster is just about here, but also tells me it will all be very much to my benefit by the middle of next year.

[(Anonymous)]

The battle is still fought in the Bloodlands (Baltics, Central and Eastern Europe). I don’t know how to express it very well, I was 8 years old in Romania when the communism fell in that country in ’89. I was very small in age and I got similar filling living in these twin times which oddly resonate for me too much. It seems that the same choice is again given to Romania.
Romania needs to be given as an example now, Lithuania and Latvia are no longer enough. There are witnesses that people are deliberately killed via the medical practice to increase number which I believe from the country that gave the apparatus men that killed a lot of people in ’89 incident but also the Pitesti Experiment. There are too many believable accounts of people I talk to and on Telegram and even on the censured social media.



https://nationalpost.com/pmn/health-pmn/romanias-covid-19-deaths-hit-record-as-intensive-care-beds-run-out

[(Anonymous)]

I understand your feeling of "deja vu" in regards to regime change in Romania.
Unfortunately, it does feel like this times we are heading the other direction.

The best comparison I can think of is the imposition of the communism by the soviets after the second world war. Now is the EU instead of the USSR but the effect is the same - take a corrupt but democratic regime and replace it over the years with sycophantic monomaniacal servants of "the party".

In a way it's amazing that we get to relive history. But we know the future is bleak...

Do you read Dmitry Orlov? His older posts about the survivalist mentality of the Russians apply to Romanians too. While the politicians and the city people have become slaves to the western fashions, the people in towns and villages have a longer perspective and refuse to change their way. That was the secret to their survival until now and hopefully it will continue to be so.

Have you noticed?

[(Anonymous)]

Something interesting I have noticed is that Israel has gone silent, right about the time the FDA used their numbers to argue that no boosters were necessary. Then... Nothing...

Re: Have you noticed?

[(Anonymous)]

Well i guess that answers the how Israel is being silenced: https://americasfrontlinedoctors.org/2/frontlinenews/breaking-israeli-physicians-scientists-advise-fda-of-severe-concerns-regarding-reliability-and-legality-of-official-israeli-covid-vaccine-data/

Antibody testing

[(Anonymous)]

I visited my doctor for an entirely unrelated issue, and during our conversation he said that he thought the positive antibody tests should be acceptable as much as proof of vaccination. "Wouldn't that be more expensive than vaccination?" I asked him (just to explore the idea). "Yes,", he said, "but it could spare us a lot of argument about mandatory vaccination of people who've already recovered from infection, and should be just as valid as vaccination. It wouldn't be perfect, but neither is the vaccine." He said that he'd written this position in a letter to the Washington Post, but they hadn't printed it. (His previous letter, urging the FDA to move beyond the Emergency Use Authorization to full acceptance, to reduce vaccination resistance, WAS run a few weeks ago.)

Lathechuck

Re: Antibody testing

[(Anonymous)]

This what they do in much of Europe. You can get a "Covid Certificate" for the vaxxes, but also for having recovered (requires an antibody test), or a negative PCR test.

Where I am now, you have to pay for the PCR test, and it is expensive-- obviously, because they want to push you into getting vaxxed. I think it's appallingly misguided, and I really resent it, but I will say it's better than the doubled-vaxxed only policies in place elsewhere.

[methylethyl]

The folks in the picture this week seem thoughtful and... dare I say optimistic? I think they are brainstorming rather than commiserating now. This is a good sign!

[(Anonymous)]

My caption for the "Covid positive stories" post picture: "Yeah, this is pretty much what we all think of that whole 'social distancing' thing."

General encouragement

[high_speed_low_drag]

I don't know if this necessarily counts over on the good news post, so I'm submitting it here. Many seem so bummed out and stressed, and I just want to encourage people who have been stuck in systems that worked ok before Covid, but have turned into horrible messy traps where they are being pushed around. There are other ways! I know it must be terribly difficult to have to struggle with your job being threatened, social pressure from vaccine zombies, etc.... But it's not like that everywhere! You can change your situation and distance yourself from the craziness.

I think the enmeshment in horrible coercive systems seems to have less to do with what state you live in, and more to do with what your life choices, social circles, and expectations of what makes a good life are. Or were pre-covid anyway. You don't have to move to Montana or something, you could hang out with different people and change up your activities wherever you currently are.

I live in Massachusetts and don't get me wrong, there are many in the PMC about doing their thing. But because of my life circumstances I've been affected very little by covid. I live in a former mill town that has been in decline for at least 40 years, so the immediate world around me is as charmingly shabby as ever. I have a fairly diverse social circle, and although the PMC people I know are mostly living in fear behind their masks, all the blue collar and oddball people I know are living their lives fairly unaffected.

My farmer friends are farming, the trades are absolutely booming, and I'm turning down work left and right. I'm self employed in tree work, carpentry, and general handyman work. Nobody gives me any guff about vaccination because they need stuff done, and if they hassle me I'll just walk away and go do work for someone else. I've been the subject of bidding wars for my time and gotten up to $60/hr cash, with bonus home cooked lunches and beers at the end of the day. I trade excess firewood from tree work with farmer friends for bags of tomatoes, and with other friends for general goodwill.

What I'm saying here is that if you have any inkling of ability to work with your hands, you could make some friends in the trades and jump ship out of whatever you are doing that comes with coercion about vaccinations and masks and social pressure from annoying liberals. It will be hard and awkward and require time to get comfortable, but so what? It might be better than working in some office with people who fear and mistrust you because you think for yourself and don't want to be coerced.

One of my friends quit teaching and is now an electrician's apprentice. He's much happier. Another quit working in an office to be a plumber's assistant. He's making more, and he gets to sledgehammer holes in walls, which is great for getting out some stress. It's not all roses over here, but I have a great deal of freedom to make up for the inevitable ups and downs of being self employed.

Money isn't abundant, but so what? I grew up poor, I know how to have fun for free. On rainy days I work on my chicken coop, garden, workshop, or putting up food. I made my kid a marble raceway from scrap wood for $0. I just got done making apple butter from the bushels of free apples I picked in an old orchard. I used maple syrup I made in my yard with some buckets and bricks and burning scrap pallets. Total out of pocket expense for 1.5 gal of apple butter: $0. My kid loved it, and that's a few thousand more calories in the basement.

TL:DR Collapse now and avoid the rush, and also the covid insanity. You can do it!

Re: General encouragement

[(Anonymous)]

Thank you for sharing your story and please repost it/link it to the good news/resources thread that JMG created - it would be nice to reach as many people as possible.

What you are saying really resonates with me - I am building my farm while still trying to work a PMC job (which will probably end soon) and I agree with everything you are saying. Working with your hands not only feels good but it can pay well - either on your own farm (I am building coops now then I'll repair a barn) or working for others. I am not good enough for that but I have plenty to do for myself first.

An example for people that like numbers: raising enough chickens for a family can cost less than $10 a month and can provide eggs and meat worth ~$100 a month. What other investment can give you that return?

Thanks again!

[kashtan]

The rises in all cause deaths are concerning to me, because if they are related to the vaccines and get worse over time with boosters, but there's no ADE on any significant scale, it could lead to a situation where the vaccines are doing more harm than good overall but are still effective at lowering COVID deaths. A lot of technological/medical disasters follow this pattern, they are at least reasonably effective at the thing they're designed to accomplish but the side effects make the cure worse than the disease. DDT is generally effective at killing insects, after all.

Even if the death toll from this scenario isn't extreme, it could lead to worse other problems in America and around the world because things would be getting worse but neither side would be proved undeniably wrong. Really, it would just be an intensification of the way things have been going since well before COVID, increased polarization. Right now, a lot of people are in a waiting mode, waiting that something happens with COVID and/or the vaccines that brings victory, that either kills off or converts enough of the other side to end the standoff that's been happening.

Who knows how long this waiting can last, I'm thinking no later than next spring. If COVID and/or the vaccines haven't caused mass mortality by then and the animosity between believers in the narrative and dissenters has gotten worse, we may end up with a mass mortality event due to violence instead.

Waiting Game

[escorcher]

Absolutely.
It seems to me, so far, everytime someone has suggested a clear sign of serious vaccine issues it turns out to be fairly easy to show it isn't that clear. That's not to say there aren't issues but jumping on any and every questionable sign looks to be an indicator of impatience increasing as we sit in the waiting mode you describe. It's obviously not helped by a 'Powers That Be' vaccination double (triple?) down in the face of their increasing leakiness. Here in England the national newspaper 'The Sun' has just launched a campaign to push the booster jabs for over 50s to 'save' Christmas:
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/16473605/brits-urged-get-their-covid-booster-jabs-save-christmas/
Joy? Comfort? Hmmmm...

Sac Bee, CA state workers, foxes, and industrial worksites.

[methylethyl]

I am weary of the "v" words. I will now be using "vixen" and "fox" as stand-ins.

So... The Sacramento Bee just reported, in a concerned tone, that "nearly 40%" of California's state workers are unfoxed.

https://www.sacbee.com/news/politics-government/the-state-worker/article254974997.html

I feel like this is good news. According to the official numbers the US as a whole runs 57-66% foxed, depending on whether you're counting partially-vixenated, or fully-vixenated:

https://www.mayoclinic.org/coronavirus-covid-19/vaccine-tracker/

I assume these numbers do *not* include the under-12 set, who are not yet eligible. So the actual numbers are a bit lower. If those are the actual numbers... and I'm inclined to believe they aren't. That same page says working-age people in CA-- age 18-64-- are about 70% foxed now. So how is it that state workers are only around 60%? I have heard that policemen and firefighters are more fox-hesitant than average, even in deep-blue cities. But... out of all the people who work for the state of CA, how big a proportion are policemen?

Phrased another way... in a situation where we've been led to believe that fox-avoidance and fox-compliance are split mostly along political lines, it is curious that in the most notoriously Blue state in the country, among government employees (who, with a couple of notable exceptions, trend quite blue), they should still be dealing with nearly 40% not reporting in as vixenated.

This could be a case of the Sac Bee, or the state, doing the usual pussyfooting (foxtrotting?) around the question of whether you need one fox or two foxes to count as vixenated. Perhaps the numbers really are a lot higher.

But maybe... just maybe it could be an indicator that the numbers at the national level are cooked, and there are a lot more unfoxed out there than official sources are letting on. It's hard to cook all the numbers so that they line up nicely, when you have fifty different states reporting in.

It's nothing certain. But I think it hints at a more optimistic picture for the unfoxed than the MSM is giving us. Power in numbers and all. It is going to be mightily difficult to keep running anything at all, if forty percent or more have to be fired. Workarounds can, and must, be found.

I continue to hope, as two members of my immediate family are working for a federal contractor. Not only will they not be foxed, but if mandates are enforced the contractor will certainly go bankrupt. It is an industrial operation and a very significant portion of its workforce will walk (maybe half or more), rather than get the vixen. The company would then be reneging on a major federal building contract and the worksite would be taken over by the feds, who would then have to find another contractor or try to run it themselves-- with the clock ticking on the project (which will degrade if nobody is actively working on it: you can't just mothball that sort of thing and come back to it later).

The thing is: the government still needs things built. Good luck to them, trying to get a full work crew for *any* large heavy-lifting type project if they try to require 100% of the workmen to accept vixens. They may work for the government, but trusting the feds with medical decisions is not a popular idea among pipefitters, welders, painters, industrial engineers, safety officers, security guards, riveters, etc: and those people can all still find jobs in the private sector. They will either find a way around it, or they will give up on having airplanes, tanks, armored vehicles, supply ships, coast guard vessels, ferryboats, electrical pylons, water towers, bridges, dams, and a whole lot of other nice stuff. They might still be able to build some of it. But it'll be minus about half of the people currently working on such projects, if what I'm hearing from the field is correct: and it won't be a fair half, it'll be a half that disproportionately includes the most competent workers. Right now the labor shortage in the private sector is what's noticeable. I'm not sure the feds will be so chill about it when it ravages the government contracting sector. You can't just re-train social workers and grant writers to do underwater welding.

Re: Sac Bee, CA state workers, foxes, and industrial worksites.

[ecosophia]

I like "foxed" and "unfoxed." Did you know that "foxed" in Regency England was a slang term for "drunk"?

Winnie the Pooh / let’s go Brandon

[(Anonymous)]

I guess that answers that. “Let’s go Brandon” is in fact the next “Winnie the Pooh”.

https://www.zerohedge.com/political/tiktok-threatens-censor-lets-go-brandon-song-harassment-and-bullying

[(Anonymous)]

A couple of disturbing twitter threads I discovered reading Denninger's twitter feed.

This one is about a youngish guy talking about his friend who had cancer, got the vaccines and then went in for treatment where hey found the cancer had progressed faster than possibly believed. He died. Many chime in with similar stories:

A friend of mine was diagnosed with lung cancer. (He received his second covid aka “shot” several weeks ago). Went in to get treatment. Said it had spread faster than they ever thought possible. Took some tissue and blood work

https://twitter.com/jared3268/status/1449543695783530503

And a video with Ryan Cole: https://twitter.com/i/status/1438495499192053766

And Del Bigtree: https://twitter.com/i/status/1443863611366166556

Then there's this one discussing a report of a rapid covid death that has the look of ADE:

Very rapid deterioration like this is a CLASSIC marker for ADE. Of course everyone will tell you "that doesn't happen" but the fact is that was a claim without substance (that is, a LIE) as it takes *years* to find out whether mutational patterns will implicate it.

https://twitter.com/tickerguy/status/1450540530643963914

The linked tweet: Tonight, my cousin died from COVID in our ICU. She was 48 years old. She was vaccinated. She hadn’t even been admitted for 48 hours. I’m stunned, saddened and numb. I’m just at such a loss right now. Tell people you love them. Tomorrow is never promised.

https://twitter.com/Girl81Runner/status/1449935720181796864 Some of the responses are telling as to what we're dealing with, utter disconnect, as they blame the unvaccinated. I believe the weight of the evidence suggests the majority of spread currently is from vaccinated people, as it is in other highly vaxxed nations, but try telling this to the covidians.

[(Anonymous)]

Well, for disturbing news I usually rely on the arstechnica forum and I'm hardly ever disappointed.

See the recent discussion about the decision to preorder vaccines for the 5 - 11 year olds.
A happy day indeed

https://arstechnica.com/science/2021/10/covid-vaccines-for-kids-5-11-up-for-preorder-wednesday-ahead-of-fda-review/

Wow, the mental gymnastics of the propagandists must be tiring

[temporaryreality]

Today's paper is only fit to take the chicken bones out to the trash in since they're now new! and improved! blatantly putting advertising and opinion pieces on the front page. Here's a link to the whole article, out of San Jose, CA (my small town paper just prints what our betters say is fit to print): https://www.mercurynews.com/2021/10/18/why-powells-covid-19-vaccine-breakthrough-infection-was-deadly/

Get a load of this rhetoric:

The tragic death of Gen. Colin Powell from COVID-19 reveals not the failure of vaccines but the inability of his fragile immune system to protect him from those who are unvaccinated, health care experts* said Monday.

“No matter how good our vaccines — if we have a raging forest fire of infections among unvaccinated It will spill over and kill vulnerable vaccinated folks,” wrote Dr. Ashish Jha, dean of the Brown University School of Public Health, on Twitter.

Wow. Just wow.
*apparently our healthcare "experts" are random twits who opine in such a way that idiots think they're spouting "expert facts" rather than "expert twit opinions."

It's hard having more than three brain cells in this country. I feel so left out of the dumbness and wonder, longingly, what it would be like to believe this crap was actual reporting about actual events...

Re: Wow, the mental gymnastics of the propagandists must be tiring

[(Anonymous)]

That didn’t take long and was utterly predictable. Heck, probably bought and paid shills. How many deaths will it take before people wake up?

the cold storage question

[(Anonymous)]

I remember back last year that the shots needed to be at like -60 degrees F. And that we didn't have that capability. That seemed to go down the memory hole.

I did google it a few days ago and saw that earlier in the year Pfizer said it could be now stored at just zero for a short while.

I really wonder if being at 0 for too long can 'spoil' the shot. Any other google fu people will links on that?

thx

Jerry

Re: the cold storage question

[(Anonymous)]

I was just thinking about this.

There was a huge to-do about how the gene therapy jabs had to be stored at such low temps, and not every place was equipped for it, and then they had to be defrosted in a narrow window before being administered or they would spoil, and this was all a giant logistic problem, and....

And then nothing. It's like all those problems just sort of went away without actually getting addressed. And nobody noticed.

It's yet one more point of strangeness in a very strange narrative.

[(Anonymous)]

Here in Quebec, our Premier announced today Tuesday the 19th of October 2021, that the public health emergency will be lifted once all the children aged 5-11 are vaccinated, not before then, sometime early in 2022. The emotional blackmail and peer pressure that this measure will generate is going to be so gross and ugly. I hope something is going to break sometime soon to stop this folly. I have been and will continue to pray to the christian God so as to protect the children from this madness and help all those affected by the other mandates wherever they may be. Prayers and intentions from all beliefs and denominations would be greatly appreciated. May God the almighty, the Divine and all the other deities help us !

Sapienter Si Sincere

[methylethyl]

Holy Theotokos, Protector of Children, intercede for them!

Germany

[(Anonymous)]

Hello,

there is now talk here in Germany of letting the national state of emergency ("epidemische Lage von nationaler Tragweite")
expire on 25th of November.

The current federal minister of Health started the discussion on it and has some support for it.
Not sure what motivates this sudden change but I'm all for it.
Might have something to do with the recent election, he won't be a federal minister for much longer.

Also not sure what the would mean for the vaccines, as those are only approved during an emergency but we will see.
This will not mean it's over for everyone in Germany, the powers revert back to the individual states once the federal government drops the ball. Some things should be impossible then tho, like banning interstate travel.

Re: Germany

[(Anonymous)]

My understanding was that he suggested to ditch the epidemic state of emergency, but at the same time keep all the most oppressive measures (like mask mandates, testing and vaccine requirements) - with no end in sight.

My take on it, although I have been known to be wrong on occasion… ;-) :

In the best case, they must have gotten some hint from the judiciary that with all the numbers being in the open, that state of emergency won‘t fly for much longer. So this is just some legal trickery to embed the same measures and restrictions into another form.

In the worst case, they feel that they have reached a stage where they can safely embed these measures forever, and nobody will object (‘cause, corona! the flu! something else! you never know!).

If Germany isn‘t going to go full totalitarian, it will certainly not be for lack of trying… ;-(

Milkyway

PS: I somehow don‘t believe that this is the Minister of Health suddenly finding reason on his way out. He is firmly embedded into the international group which is doing its best to profit from the situation, and Angela Merkel is still at the helm… I can‘t imagine him suddenly going rogue. Fairly sure this guy is hoping for a continuation of his career elsewhere… ;-)

[(Anonymous)]

Chris Martenson at Peak Prosperity has been worth watching about corona since very early on, and one of his latest pieces posits the idea of what's going on as mass psychosis. Worth a listen, I think:

https://www.peakprosperity.com/mass-psychosis-you/

I had no idea how commen mass psychosis actually is:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_mass_hysteria_cases

[sinners4diseasecontrol]

Interesting reading through the Wikipedia article. One of the cases, the Pokemon seizures, if I recall right was the result of flashing different colors of light at a certain frequency in a televised cartoon, and affected children sitting too close to the TV. I don't recall anyone considering it to be "mass hysteria." My own condition of electrosensitivity is generally written off as mass hysteria. I had symptoms long before I had any inkling of the cause. This is a gaslighter's dream tool, and if if hasn't been applied to the hesitant yet, I expect it will be.